Given that Trainwreck flooded again I'm not sure how much longer they last.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Aug 09, 2022I noted in a post above that Carl's and Trainwreck Saloon are just west of this development and wondered aloud if either might be razed in a future phase. Pretty sure Shadrach was just responding to that.
I know, but one can dream.dweebe wrote: ↑Aug 09, 2022Carls is west of Brentwood. This plan is for eastward towards Hanley.shadrach wrote: ↑Aug 09, 2022Hey, if they’re going to demo Carl’s, I’ll pay $100 to take a swing of the wrecking ball at the place.
(Let me guess: you're not a fan of the cranky old ladies that work at Carls?)
I had to prep my kids before we went there to act like we were going to church and sitting in the front pews.shadrach wrote: ↑Aug 09, 2022I know, but one can dream.dweebe wrote: ↑Aug 09, 2022Carls is west of Brentwood. This plan is for eastward towards Hanley.shadrach wrote: ↑Aug 09, 2022Hey, if they’re going to demo Carl’s, I’ll pay $100 to take a swing of the wrecking ball at the place.
(Let me guess: you're not a fan of the cranky old ladies that work at Carls?)
Not a fan. Actual conversation—my then 7 year-old daughter whispered to me, tears/trembling “Why is she mad at me? What did I do wrong?”
I feel like that elephant that trampled that women and returned to her funeral to trample her again.
Carl’s can burn to the ground. And when the fire’s out, soak it in kerosine overnight and light another match the next day. Repeat until told to stop.
Why do you think this?debaliviere wrote: ↑Aug 11, 2022This project does...not seem like a good idea.
I think we need a few years of "proof of concept" that the not-yet-complete Deer Creek watershed improvements can withstand the 1/1000 year rains without flooding this stretch of ManchesterRockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022I'm sure he thinks that because this stretch of Manchester is absolutely notorious for flooding.
The city has some flood mitigation in process right now, about 70% done, and so I'm not so sure it's a bad idea. I'm just not sure it's a good idea, either. I hope the flood mitigation works. City leadership in Brentwood seems to be optimistic from everything I've read.
I think flooding is fresh in everyone's mind right now. Honestly what are the options?RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022I'm sure he thinks that because this stretch of Manchester is absolutely notorious for flooding.
The city has some flood mitigation in process right now, about 70% done, and so I'm not so sure it's a bad idea. I'm just not sure it's a good idea, either. I hope the flood mitigation works. City leadership in Brentwood seems to be optimistic from everything I've read.
So you're saying "build baby build!"?beer city wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022I think flooding is fresh in everyone's mind right now. Honestly what are the options?RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022I'm sure he thinks that because this stretch of Manchester is absolutely notorious for flooding.
The city has some flood mitigation in process right now, about 70% done, and so I'm not so sure it's a bad idea. I'm just not sure it's a good idea, either. I hope the flood mitigation works. City leadership in Brentwood seems to be optimistic from everything I've read.
Have it revert back to flood plane (is it even a flood plane now with the new project?)
or
New dense mixed use just down the street from a metro stop replacing a thinning cluster of awkward 1950-1970 sprawl, that is in such poor shape that it can't be long for this world, bordering a multi million dollar green way/flood control project that replaced a 70's industrial park, with trail access in the regions most hot real estate zone?
The flooding in this latest round was further west in Rock Hill, maybe its time for the lumber company to relocate.
I think this is a different animal then say the Chesterfield Valley (sounds a lot better then "Gumbo Flats") Where there was no water mitigation and they raised the levies with federal money creating more problems downstream.
The Dutch figure this stuff out all the time with 30% of the country below sea level
Build smart, baby, build smart!dweebe wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022So you're saying "build baby build!"?beer city wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022I think flooding is fresh in everyone's mind right now. Honestly what are the options?RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022I'm sure he thinks that because this stretch of Manchester is absolutely notorious for flooding.
The city has some flood mitigation in process right now, about 70% done, and so I'm not so sure it's a bad idea. I'm just not sure it's a good idea, either. I hope the flood mitigation works. City leadership in Brentwood seems to be optimistic from everything I've read.
Have it revert back to flood plane (is it even a flood plane now with the new project?)
or
New dense mixed use just down the street from a metro stop replacing a thinning cluster of awkward 1950-1970 sprawl, that is in such poor shape that it can't be long for this world, bordering a multi million dollar green way/flood control project that replaced a 70's industrial park, with trail access in the regions most hot real estate zone?
The flooding in this latest round was further west in Rock Hill, maybe its time for the lumber company to relocate.
I think this is a different animal then say the Chesterfield Valley (sounds a lot better then "Gumbo Flats") Where there was no water mitigation and they raised the levies with federal money creating more problems downstream.
The Dutch figure this stuff out all the time with 30% of the country below sea level
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/brentwood-taps-green-street-for-manchester-road-redevelopment/article_5629e062-36bd-50c0-928b-cceacc5b5244.html#tracking-source=home-top-storyThe Brentwood Board of Aldermen has given a green light to developer Green Street St. Louis, which is proposing to revamp a half-mile stretch of Manchester Road by adding shops, restaurants, a microbrewery and over 600 apartments.
The board’s unanimous vote Monday night represents a major step in the St. Louis County suburb’s yearslong effort to stem flash flooding on the low-lying section of Manchester Road and pave the way for new development.
The city, which pulls in millions from the shopping centers within its borders near Highway 40 (Interstate 64), is pumping $90 million into an engineering project to tame Deer Creek and add recreation amenities along its path.
I thought Brentwood schools were fine space-wise?quincunx wrote: ↑Sep 20, 2022I'm surprised the apartments didn't get more pushback due to fears of their impact on the school district.
I like the food at Fort Taco but they desperately need seating there so you can eat the food there. As it is, you have two options: 1) eat in your car, which is a bad idea since it is impossible to eat those tacos without making an absolute mess, or 2) drive it home to eat, which isn't a good idea unless you live less than a half mile from there. The experience of driving fast food home to eat cold, soggy food is one of most sad and pathetic experiences that makes me question every choice I had made up until then.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022Fort Taco is my jam, though a PITA to get to at the current times with the construction.
If they take a swing at my puffers, Green Street be damned in my books. And, ***** eminent domain.
I wasn't thinking about space, but rather the concern that apartment dwellers wouldn't pay enough taxes for the Brentwood education and transient apartment dwellers are a bigger burden on the school than proper home owners. Like the ugliness we saw when apartments were planned for the Crestwood Mall site. Glad it didn't become a cudgel for NIMBYs.
Okay. I was thinking of how the Maplewood and Webster schools have kids in trailers.quincunx wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2022I wasn't thinking about space, but rather the concern that apartment dwellers wouldn't pay enough taxes for the Brentwood education and transient apartment dwellers are a bigger burden on the school than proper home owners. Like the ugliness we saw when apartments were planned for the Crestwood Mall site. Glad it didn't become a cudgel for NIMBYs.
Definitely agree with you. I have to handle those puppies carefully in the car without making a mess. They did use to give you a 'box' which helped, but yes, I cannot help but agree with all of your points.jeff707 wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2022I like the food at Fort Taco but they desperately need seating there so you can eat the food there. As it is, you have two options: 1) eat in your car, which is a bad idea since it is impossible to eat those tacos without making an absolute mess, or 2) drive it home to eat, which isn't a good idea unless you live less than a half mile from there. The experience of driving fast food home to eat cold, soggy food is one of most sad and pathetic experiences that makes me question every choice I had made up until then.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022Fort Taco is my jam, though a PITA to get to at the current times with the construction.
If they take a swing at my puffers, Green Street be damned in my books. And, ***** eminent domain.
In a perfect world St. Louis and St. Louis County would simply have a unified school district. But I would settle for 6: City, Central, North, South, West and the SSD overlay district.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2022This is all just fragmentation silly. Mid county should be served by a single district with Ladue, Clayton, Brentwood and MRH as one district. But that will never happen in a million years.quincunx wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2022I wasn't thinking about space, but rather the concern that apartment dwellers wouldn't pay enough taxes for the Brentwood education and transient apartment dwellers are a bigger burden on the school than proper home owners. Like the ugliness we saw when apartments were planned for the Crestwood Mall site. Glad it didn't become a cudgel for NIMBYs.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2022I thought Brentwood schools were fine space-wise?
A single unified St. Louis Public School District like most major metros (especially in the South and West have) would make their heads explode.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2022Okay. I was thinking of how the Maplewood and Webster schools have kids in trailers.quincunx wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2022I wasn't thinking about space, but rather the concern that apartment dwellers wouldn't pay enough taxes for the Brentwood education and transient apartment dwellers are a bigger burden on the school than proper home owners. Like the ugliness we saw when apartments were planned for the Crestwood Mall site. Glad it didn't become a cudgel for NIMBYs.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 21, 2022I thought Brentwood schools were fine space-wise?
This is all just fragmentation silly. Mid county should be served by a single district with Ladue, Clayton, Brentwood and MRH as one district. But that will never happen in a million years.
