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Oh goodness it looks like a dormitory or some sort of office structure
Would the Hawthorne have been built with this logic? I assume in the 1920s the 4400 block of West Pine was just mansions.
This project is not an apartment tower. I think it falls in the category of missing middle housing. When done right, missing middle visually blends into neighborhoods while expanding housing options beyond single family lots.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Nov 28, 2021Would the Hawthorne have been built with this logic? I assume in the 1920s the 4400 block of West Pine was just mansions.
That entire front facing west pine is ONE housing unit. And it’s ?40% taller than the fourplex next door. How can any of you not see the obvious bloat here?
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Is that just an unflattering angle? Would love to see a photo from the opposite way / a few different perspectives.
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Laife Fulk wrote:Is that just an unflattering angle? Would love to see a photo from the opposite way / a few different perspectives.
Here’s another angle
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Yes the primary facade facing the street is one of its most unflattering aspects. It would probably look better up close and from the east where you can’t easily tell the height difference.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Nov 29, 2021Is that just an unflattering angle? Would love to see a photo from the opposite way / a few different perspectives.
It definitely sticks out from the surrounding style and scale, but I like it for that reason. I think the eccentricity, variety and contrast works here. It's nice that there's some more contemporary looking projects being sprinkled into the eastern CWE like Artizen, 4101 Laclede and this project. Using actual white brick would have been a nice touch.
Holy Shiza!!! That is awful. It's a groundscraper with million dollar luxury interior attached homes! white , big dark front window, flat brick monolith with many windows on back left, and other side is 10 crammed patios with no privacy. What? I gotta go see this.
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I don’t see the issue with different building heights. I live in Carondalet/Patch and love the all the different heights, setbacks, styles, and materials you see on a single block.
Interesting. How do you feel about historic districts and form-based codes?JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Nov 29, 2021I don’t see the issue with different building heights. I live in Carondalet/Patch and love the all the different heights, setbacks, styles, and materials you see on a single block.
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“It’s a trap!!!”
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“It’s a trap!!!”
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HA!TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Nov 30, 2021[begin Admiral Akbar voice]
“It’s a trap!!!”
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I completely agree! That’s one of the great things about St. Louis.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:I don’t see the issue with different building heights. I live in Carondalet/Patch and love the all the different heights, setbacks, styles, and materials you see on a single block.
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There are a lot of different building types on that block of west pine from a lot of different eras, so if it was going to go anywhere that’s a good part of the street to put it on. It looks pretty crazy when you walk by it, like they forgot to dig a foundation, just needlessly high.
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I don’t either, especially when viewed without its neighbors. From the other side looking east on west pine it looks like it’s sitting up 5 feet too high. Cool concept though.
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Things to say when you don’t love a new building:
‘It’s not that bad’
‘People have to live somewhere’
‘ I don’t hate it’
‘Would you rather have an empty lot?’
‘Hey, construction jobs and taxes…’
‘At least they built it in the City…’
Wonky proportions are wonky proportions, any which way you want to slice it. And no this is not a landmark like the Chase or the Eiffel Tower.
Good architecture is sympathetic to its surroundings. You know it when you see it.
I understand that many of you are libertarian about this but I believe in framework rules when it comes to urban design.
‘It’s not that bad’
‘People have to live somewhere’
‘ I don’t hate it’
‘Would you rather have an empty lot?’
‘Hey, construction jobs and taxes…’
‘At least they built it in the City…’
Wonky proportions are wonky proportions, any which way you want to slice it. And no this is not a landmark like the Chase or the Eiffel Tower.
Good architecture is sympathetic to its surroundings. You know it when you see it.
I understand that many of you are libertarian about this but I believe in framework rules when it comes to urban design.
So Lux Living are not completely evil and did something right here?
What say you, defenders of an architectural free-for-all?
What say you, defenders of an architectural free-for-all?
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I.... like this building? Sure it's fairly odd compared to its surroundings, but that could be solved by building another 2-3 of these in the empty lot next door. STL needs more dense little infill projects like this.
I don't think Lux Living developed these did they?imran wrote: ↑Aug 10, 2022So Lux Living are not completely evil and did something right here?
What say you, defenders of an architectural free-for-all?
I feel like density doesn't have to be awkward and out of scale. There are plenty of other townhouse projects in the CWE that blend into the neighborhood completely fine.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Aug 10, 2022I.... like this building? Sure it's fairly odd compared to its surroundings, but that could be solved by building another 2-3 of these in the empty lot next door. STL needs more dense little infill projects like this.