Brentwood, MO

Mark Groth · PostAug 06, 2013#12013-08-06T12:32+00:00

The small suburban town of Brentwood, MO (pop. 8,055), known as the "City of Warmth" seems as though it is in the NIMBY camp when it comes to developments that cater to the disadvantaged. In this case, it seems the majority of residents were in favor of the proposal but the Board of Alderman voted against it.

Interesting to see this kind of thing all over the suburbs (Oakville, Town and Country, Brentwood). St. Louis should stand up and publicly welcome these institutions. Heck, give them some LRA land to build on.

Here's the story from the Post:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... c9b48.html

jem79c · PostAug 06, 2013#22013-08-06T13:43+00:00

I fully agree... but... do you think the 1% tax discourages these types of organizations from considering the city as a first (or second, or third) choice option?

PeterXCV · PostAug 06, 2013#32013-08-06T13:46+00:00

Word. St. Louis could also further its reputation as an inclusive city due to all these municipalities working hard to make the disadvantaged unwelcome.

Here's a somewhat related article about how affordable housing doesn't cause crime: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighb ... rime/6404/

roger wyoming II · PostAug 06, 2013#42013-08-06T13:51+00:00

^^ No. Low-income senior housing is all over Saint Louis.

For the record, Town & Country is a different story than Oakville.... The plan for T & C was for wealthy senior housing and the opposition was based on a legitimate argument that the plans did not fall into a well-established comprehensive plan. Why go through a comprehensive plan if it doesn't mean anything?

chaifetz10 · PostAug 06, 2013#52013-08-06T14:15+00:00

^Good point. It's important to seperate these issues from people who are complaining just to complain and those where there is a long term plan in place that people believe in.

stlhistory · PostAug 06, 2013#62013-08-06T14:57+00:00

I think at least part of the reason the BHGH project in Brentwood stalled was due to school concerns. Brentwood is a very small district, and there weren't ironclad guarantees that the district would receive enough funds to offset the (very small) number of kids who might attend BMS or BHS.

http://maplewood-brentwood.patch.com/gr ... girls-hope

Plus, just NIMBYism.

sc4mayor · PostApr 09, 2022#72022-04-09T16:21+00:00

Developer pitches apartments over Planet Fitness in Brentwood
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... c0c0c.html

Will be sandwiched right up against the MetroLink near South Hanley:

Ebsy · PostApr 09, 2022#82022-04-09T17:42+00:00

Better than what we have been getting around there.

moorlander · PostApr 09, 2022#92022-04-09T19:14+00:00

This is exciting. I used to drive past Hampton Envelope multiple times per day and once they closed, and tore down the plant, I hoped residential would come. This exceeds expectations.

dredger · PostApr 11, 2022#102022-04-11T23:34+00:00

^ To me this is an odd location. However, from a developers perspective, I guess you can understand the proposed location on this open cleared, probably relative cheap site to buy, with easy access on and off Haney Ave even if you plop it down inside an light industrial park. Guess it is par for the course. Go down the road and you can find apartment block surrounded by new car dealerships

Too bad a deal couldn't be had to build a new office/commercial space at this location for the tenants on other side of metrolink to allow for a apartment/residential to go just south of existing residential/hotel /retail along Hanley Ave itself. Add in a long term plan to relocate the animal shelter and Home Depot for more residential/office with better direct pedestrian/bike access to metrolink & future pocket park/green space. Of course, i doubt Home Depot would ever give up their prime spot & Brentwood would want to give up the sales tax revenue. So Instead, lets plop a apartment building in light industrial park with no real long term plan that builds upon a nearby residential area or w easy access to metrolink/transit while at some time you still have an easy walk to a spectrum of jobs, retail and within an existing light industrial park.

dweebe · PostApr 12, 2022#112022-04-12T18:01+00:00

dredger wrote: ↑
Apr 11, 2022
^ To me this is an odd location. However, from a developers perspective, I guess you can understand the proposed location on this open cleared, probably relative cheap site to buy, with easy access on and off Haney Ave even if you plop it down inside an light industrial park. Guess it is par for the course. Go down the road and you can find apartment block surrounded by new car dealerships

I thought the same thing when I took my kids to baseball batting practice back in there. My only guess is that if this one building succeeds, maybe a developer could come in and take the whole corner south of there and build more? Something like that Encore at Forest Park.

goat314 · PostApr 12, 2022#122022-04-12T19:00+00:00

dweebe wrote: ↑
Apr 12, 2022
dredger wrote: ↑
Apr 11, 2022
^ To me this is an odd location. However, from a developers perspective, I guess you can understand the proposed location on this open cleared, probably relative cheap site to buy, with easy access on and off Haney Ave even if you plop it down inside an light industrial park. Guess it is par for the course. Go down the road and you can find apartment block surrounded by new car dealerships

I thought the same thing when I took my kids to baseball batting practice back in there. My only guess is that if this one building succeeds, maybe a developer could come in and take the whole corner south of there and build more? Something like that Encore at Forest Park.

If I had to guess. I would say the future of multifamily housing in the County will look to redevelop light industrial properties.

sc4mayor · PostMay 18, 2022#132022-05-18T17:13+00:00

I know MoDot is currently rebuilding the Manchester corridor between Big Bend and Lindbergh...I was less aware of Brentwood's ambitious plans to tame floods around Deer Creek with parks, trails, ponds, playgrounds, etc.

Court verdict won’t slow $95M flood project in Brentwood, mayor says
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... -top-story

In recent weeks, crews have worked to dig retention basins — one of which will serve a double purpose as an amphitheater — and a lake to hold water during flash floods. And the project has expanded. About $15 million in grants will fund a $5 million “destination playground” on 2.5 acres complete with swings, a climbing feature and zip lines, an event lawn with space for food trucks and a pavilion with restrooms powered by solar panels.

Dimmitt said officials are ordering pieces for the playground, and crews recently put a roof on the pavilion. Workers will also continue to reduce the slope of the banks along Deer Creek and are now building a tunnel under Manchester Road to connect the new park to the Great Rivers Greenway regional trail system. Flood work along Deer Creek should be complete by December. The playground is set for completion in May 2023, Dimmitt said.

Edit: Pulled some better renderings. Existing conditions:

Spring of 2023:

Tunnel rendering:

Brentwood monument sign:

There will be a 10' shared use path on the south side of Manchester and a 5' path on the north side:

Greenway path renderings:

The destination playground:

Conditions as of March of 2021:

Future:

All in all, I think it's a fantastic project. Nice to see a municipality moving businesses out of floodplains instead of trying to lure them in.

dweebe · PostMay 18, 2022#142022-05-18T18:07+00:00

While the trails and parks will be nice when done, how much money is being spent because the water pours down the hill from the non-permeable parking lots at Home Depot, Menards and WalMart/Sams/Lowes?

I'm just glad they didn't go with the plan that rebuilt Manchester Road on raised piers from Dorothy Ave to Hanley.

sc4mayor · PostMay 18, 2022#152022-05-18T18:16+00:00

A lot more money than on this Brentwood project. What you mention is why MSD is constructing the Deer Creek Sanitary Tunnel in this area. Should be done by the Fall of this year.
https://msdprojectclear.org/projects/tu ... ry-tunnel/

Extending approximately 3.9 miles from Clayton Road to Interstate 44, the new tunnel will collect and temporarily store peak wastewater overflows along the Deer Creek sewer system. Historically, heavy rains would overcharge the existing system, leading to basement backups and sewer overflows. Slated for completion in late 2022, the new tunnel will provide relief to a number of communities, including Clayton, Richmond Heights, Brentwood, Maplewood, Webster Groves, and Shrewsbury.

airforceguy1 · PostAug 09, 2022#162022-08-09T00:35+00:00

Green Street is proposing a $400 million mixed-use development along Manchester in Brentwood...

Green Street proposes homes, offices and hotel on Manchester Road in Brentwood

Green Street's proposal envisions a microbrewery or distillery, 170-room hotel, over 600 apartments, townhomes, an office for "a nationally recognized" prospective tenant and other commercial space.

Some of the apartments will be designated for seniors and 66 apartments will be "workforce housing," which charges below market-rate rent, according to the plan.

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/green-street-proposes-homes-offices-and-hotel-on-manchester-road-in-brentwood/article_1ca27383-ab28-5b75-8f0f-c3e131418a29.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

framer · PostAug 09, 2022#172022-08-09T02:37+00:00

Sucks that they're using eminent domain. Forcing private property owners to sell to a private developer is just plain wrong.

RockChalkSTL · PostAug 09, 2022#182022-08-09T03:48+00:00

Is this the end of Fort Taco? They've got a cult following.

It's interesting that the plans are for between Hanley and Brentwood. Just to the west of this development are Carl's Drive-In and Trainwreck Saloon.

Could these buildings be given to the wrecking ball in a future phase? I'd think someone would prevent it.

_nomad_ · PostAug 09, 2022#192022-08-09T03:58+00:00

Will this project make that stretch less of a stroad?

RockChalkSTL · PostAug 09, 2022#202022-08-09T04:07+00:00

^I would hope so. It sounds like Brentwood wants more activity down this corridor and is willing to demolish most of what's there for new uses. So I'd be surprised if driving that stretch of Manchester isn't wildly different in 3-5 years, but ... that's only if this ever actually gets built.

It's truly hilarious how close this proposal is to the border of Webster Groves.

dweebe · PostAug 09, 2022#212022-08-09T04:28+00:00

framer wrote: ↑
Aug 09, 2022
Sucks that they're using eminent domain. Forcing private property owners to sell to a private developer is just plain wrong.

At least they'll get rid of the Robert Kraft style rub-n-tug massage place.

symphonicpoet · PostAug 09, 2022#222022-08-09T07:43+00:00

To be completely fair, there's really not much worth saving there. It's nearly all commercial, right? And mostly very low density, secondary uses, cheap offices, fast food, a lawn care company, real estate brokers, storage . . . they'll move. The eminent domain might just be a technicality.

shadrach · PostAug 09, 2022#232022-08-09T12:27+00:00

Hey, if they’re going to demo Carl’s, I’ll pay $100 to take a swing of the wrecking ball at the place.

dweebe · PostAug 09, 2022#242022-08-09T16:17+00:00

shadrach wrote: ↑
Aug 09, 2022
Hey, if they’re going to demo Carl’s, I’ll pay $100 to take a swing of the wrecking ball at the place.

Carls is west of Brentwood. This plan is for eastward towards Hanley.

(Let me guess: you're not a fan of the cranky old ladies that work at Carls?)

RockChalkSTL · PostAug 09, 2022#252022-08-09T16:20+00:00

I noted in a post above that Carl's and Trainwreck Saloon are just west of this development and wondered aloud if either might be razed in a future phase. Pretty sure Shadrach was just responding to that.

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