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DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Mar 25, 2022

25% of Americans don't have broadband access in their homes, and the numbers tend to be disproportionately high in that group among those without any college education and those who make under $30K per year. It shouldn't be shocking that people who have less access to information are less likely to be vaccinated or to fully grasp the importance of NPI measures.

Considering the prominence of anti-vaxx and anti-mask propoganda on the internet, I'm not convinced that internet access provides better information.

People, Not Science, Decide When a Pandemic Is Over
Historians of the 1918 influenza pandemic discuss lessons for what the future of COVID might look like
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-not-science-decide-when-a-pandemic-is-over1/

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Mar 25, 2022

People, Not Science, Decide When a Pandemic Is Over
Historians of the 1918 influenza pandemic discuss lessons for what the future of COVID might look like
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-not-science-decide-when-a-pandemic-is-over1/

For now, Barry is cautiously optimistic about COVID. “I think it’s more likely than not that future variants will not be any worse,” he says. “In fact, I think it’s more likely that they’ll get milder than that they will get more virulent. But we don’t know that. It’s random event.

Some historian who studied one previous pandemic thinks COVID might get better but doesn't know. Thanks for the update, Scientific American. I liked this bit too:

things seem to be at a turning point. COVID cases and deaths are seeing sustained declines in much of the world,

The pandemic that surges every few months has been steadily declining in some countries for about two months so probably the pandemic is over. Really good read, I feel smarter already.

Shanghai as city of 26 million people remains in total covid lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vOvHcS6Egg&t=1s

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Apr 05, 2022

Shanghai as city of 26 million people remains in total covid lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vOvHcS6Egg&t=1s

Guardian just had a piece about how horribly inhumane it is for millions of Chinese people to be locked down. Meanwhile millions of Americans are permanently dead or disabled and Western media shrugs it off. The elites' desire for China to give up and submit to the virus like we did is palpable. Stop making us look bad for genociding our workers!

"Millions of American are permanently dead of disabled" okay man.

its just the flu
study shows COVID-19 can cause brain inflammation and small bleeds
https://newatlas.com/science/covid19-brain-damage-bleeding-inflammation-mild/

Ebsy wrote: ↑

Apr 05, 2022

"Millions of American are permanently dead of disabled" okay man.

No, not okay. Bad!

It's a fantasy. We are approaching 1 million deaths attributed to covid, it is true, though there is some fuzziness in that number both from undercounts due to lack of testing at certain points and lack of cooperation from local authorities as well as the issue of whether every death included is primarily attributable to covid. But the idea that there are millions of Americans with "long covid" is based on the thinnest of evidence and is patently absurd to anyone who doesn't spend their entire day cooped up in their house afraid of breathing in tainted air. Time and again "the science" is ignored by people who are suffering from a delusional siege mentality.

Ebsy wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

 We are approaching 1 million deaths attributed to covid . . . though there is some fuzziness in that number

Understatement of the decade. 

Ebsy wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

 But the idea that there are millions of Americans with "long covid" is based on the thinnest of evidence and is patently absurd to anyone who doesn't spend their entire day cooped up in their house afraid of breathing in tainted air. Time and again "the science" is ignored by people who are suffering from a delusional siege mentality.

It's not Long Covid, but I had a very mild case back in November (so mild I didn't realize I had it until my wife suggested we get tested) - I still feel out of sorts with my breathing.  Always feel like I'm out of breath, not panting, just the feeling of needing one good deep breath, but never getting it.  Some days it's worse than others.  I'm in my late 30's, fit-ish and otherwise healthy.  I can only imagine changing some of those variables would make my condition worse, or lumped into some other preexisting issue.

Ebsy wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

It's a fantasy. We are approaching 1 million deaths attributed to covid, it is true, though there is some fuzziness in that number both from undercounts due to lack of testing at certain points and lack of cooperation from local authorities as well as the issue of whether every death included is primarily attributable to covid. But the idea that there are millions of Americans with "long covid" is based on the thinnest of evidence and is patently absurd to anyone who doesn't spend their entire day cooped up in their house afraid of breathing in tainted air. Time and again "the science" is ignored by people who are suffering from a delusional siege mentality.

We passed a million deaths a long time ago; we're probably closer to 2mil than 1mil based on excess death reporting. Insurance claims are through the roof. And while I don't think the 20-30mil estimated Long COVID cases will all be permanent, it's a myopic fantasy to think we'll have fewer disabilities than deaths. Given how much more virulent the more recent variants are, and the impact of multiple cumulative infections, the future will be much worse than our past data would indicate.

Bart Harley Jarvis wrote:It's not Long Covid, but I had a very mild case back in November (so mild I didn't realize I had it until my wife suggested we get tested) - I still feel out of sorts with my breathing.  Always feel like I'm out of breath, not panting, just the feeling of needing one good deep breath, but never getting it.  Some days it's worse than others.  I'm in my late 30's, fit-ish and otherwise healthy.  I can only imagine changing some of those variables would make my condition worse, or lumped into some other preexisting issue.

How is that not Long COVID?

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

Ebsy wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

It's a fantasy. We are approaching 1 million deaths attributed to covid, it is true, though there is some fuzziness in that number both from undercounts due to lack of testing at certain points and lack of cooperation from local authorities as well as the issue of whether every death included is primarily attributable to covid. But the idea that there are millions of Americans with "long covid" is based on the thinnest of evidence and is patently absurd to anyone who doesn't spend their entire day cooped up in their house afraid of breathing in tainted air. Time and again "the science" is ignored by people who are suffering from a delusional siege mentality.

We passed a million deaths a long time ago; we're probably closer to 2mil than 1mil based on excess death reporting. Insurance claims are through the roof. And while I don't think the 20-30mil estimated Long COVID cases will all be permanent, it's a myopic fantasy to think we'll have fewer disabilities than deaths. Given how much more virulent the more recent variants are, and the impact of multiple cumulative infections, the future will be much worse than our past data would indicate.

Bart Harley Jarvis wrote:It's not Long Covid, but I had a very mild case back in November (so mild I didn't realize I had it until my wife suggested we get tested) - I still feel out of sorts with my breathing.  Always feel like I'm out of breath, not panting, just the feeling of needing one good deep breath, but never getting it.  Some days it's worse than others.  I'm in my late 30's, fit-ish and otherwise healthy.  I can only imagine changing some of those variables would make my condition worse, or lumped into some other preexisting issue.

How is that not Long COVID?

Is it not?  I thought Long COVID was more serious?  

pattimagee wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

Here's Excess Deaths - the last graph gives you raw count. Not quite 2M, but still pretty staggering at possible 200K+ uncounted...
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

I'm a bit suspicious that we had about 80k more excess deaths than confirmed in late 2020 when deaths were at 200k, but now with 1mil COVID deaths there are 200k excess deaths. I guess we got dramatically better at confirming COVID deaths?

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

Bart Harley Jarvis wrote:It's not Long Covid, but I had a very mild case back in November (so mild I didn't realize I had it until my wife suggested we get tested) - I still feel out of sorts with my breathing.  Always feel like I'm out of breath, not panting, just the feeling of needing one good deep breath, but never getting it.  Some days it's worse than others.  I'm in my late 30's, fit-ish and otherwise healthy.  I can only imagine changing some of those variables would make my condition worse, or lumped into some other preexisting issue.

How is that not Long COVID?
Is it not?  I thought Long COVID was more serious?  

Struggling to breath sounds serious to me. I'm guessing you don't have a physically demanding job? What you're describing sounds like it would be debilitating in other circumstances.

If it's not Long COVID I would say it's because it's only been four months.

I can't articulate it well, but I don't think I'm struggling to breathe, just that it feels like I don't get good breaths.  Kind of like after you eat a giant meal and at the end, you feel like you could grab a burger somewhere.  I don't feel any more out of breath after I go to the Y

 I don’t like these sudden effloresences of yellow and orange. I don’t care that the baseline is low. From the point of view of our hospital-centric health care system, green everywhere means the emergency is over (and to be fair, this is reinforced by case count and wastewater). However, community transmission is still pervasive, which means that long Covid, plus continuing vascular damage, are not over.
https://imgur.com/a/gR6kWrM

^Several different standards are currently being utilized to define long COVID diagnoses. The most liberal definition seems to be persistent symptoms after about 30 days and the most conservative after at least 3 months. Either way, the symptom you describe (feeling like you can't get a deep breath) is fairly commonly reported in long COVID patients.

No country in the world has seen life expectancy plummet during the pandemic as sharply as the US.
https://twitter.com/wilsonhartgrove/status/1512411873991401472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1512411873991401472%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nakedcapitalism.com%2F2022%2F04%2Fdrop-in-life-expectancy-speaks-volumes-about-how-us-handled-covid-expert.html

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

We passed a million deaths a long time ago; we're probably closer to 2mil than 1mil based on excess death reporting.

Do you just fabricate numbers completely out of thin air to support your own apocalyptic narrative?

No, we aren't anywhere remotely close to 2 million COVID deaths in the U.S., even when factoring in excess deaths. Yes, we have almost certainly surpassed 1M COVID deaths, but we are a long, long way from 2M.

The reality is ugly enough without needing to resort to silly unsupported hyperbolic claims.

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Apr 09, 2022

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

We passed a million deaths a long time ago; we're probably closer to 2mil than 1mil based on excess death reporting.

Do you just fabricate numbers completely out of thin air to support your own apocalyptic narrative?

No, we aren't anywhere remotely close to 2 million COVID deaths in the U.S., even when factoring in excess deaths. Yes, we have almost certainly surpassed 1M COVID deaths, but we are a long, long way from 2M.

The reality is ugly enough without needing to resort to silly unsupported hyperbolic claims.

I can't imagine thinking that "only" 1.2mil pandemic deaths plus millions of disabilities (plus wildfires, flooding, et cetera) isn't apocalyptic.

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑

Apr 09, 2022

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Apr 09, 2022

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2022

We passed a million deaths a long time ago; we're probably closer to 2mil than 1mil based on excess death reporting.

Do you just fabricate numbers completely out of thin air to support your own apocalyptic narrative?

No, we aren't anywhere remotely close to 2 million COVID deaths in the U.S., even when factoring in excess deaths. Yes, we have almost certainly surpassed 1M COVID deaths, but we are a long, long way from 2M.

The reality is ugly enough without needing to resort to silly unsupported hyperbolic claims.

I can't imagine thinking that "only" 1.2mil pandemic deaths plus millions of disabilities (plus wildfires, flooding, et cetera) isn't apocalyptic.

I can't imagine thinking that a pandemic that has killed roughly 0.08% of the global human population over a 2 year span is equivalent to the literal destruction of the world.

It is possible for COVID-19 to both be "really, really bad" and simultaneously "not apocalyptic".

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Apr 11, 2022

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑

Apr 09, 2022

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Apr 09, 2022

Do you just fabricate numbers completely out of thin air to support your own apocalyptic narrative?

No, we aren't anywhere remotely close to 2 million COVID deaths in the U.S., even when factoring in excess deaths. Yes, we have almost certainly surpassed 1M COVID deaths, but we are a long, long way from 2M.

The reality is ugly enough without needing to resort to silly unsupported hyperbolic claims.

I can't imagine thinking that "only" 1.2mil pandemic deaths plus millions of disabilities (plus wildfires, flooding, et cetera) isn't apocalyptic.

I can't imagine thinking that a pandemic that has killed roughly 0.08% of the global human population over a 2 year span is equivalent to the literal destruction of the world.

It is possible for COVID-19 to both be "really, really bad" and simultaneously "not apocalyptic".

You're the one asserting that 2mil dead is apocalyptic but 1mil is, apparently, no big deal business as usual. And yes, the effect of the virus to date (plus wildfires, flooding, etc.) has been "momentous or catastrophic". The pre-COVID world is literally gone forever.