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symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Jan 20, 2022

(Also, am I the only person that's been reading TapaTalk as Tap Ta Talk?)

I don't read it at all, my eyes just gloss over it wherever it appears.

A brief mention for St. Louis in this piece, but some strong belief in the Rust Belt and St. Louis here.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/goodbye-to ... _permalink


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STL is the northernmost southern city, the southernmost northern city, the westernmost eastern city, and the easternmost western city.

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Jan 28, 2022

STL is the northernmost southern city, the southernmost northern city, the westernmost eastern city, and the easternmost western city.

I thought the eastern-most western city was Kansas City.

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑

Jan 28, 2022

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Jan 28, 2022

STL is the northernmost southern city, the southernmost northern city, the westernmost eastern city, and the easternmost western city.

I thought the eastern-most western city was Kansas City.

^Do they have a giant sculpture depicting the gateway to said west?

Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑

Jan 28, 2022

MarkHaversham wrote: ↑

Jan 28, 2022

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Jan 28, 2022

STL is the northernmost southern city, the southernmost northern city, the westernmost eastern city, and the easternmost western city.

I thought the eastern-most western city was Kansas City.

^Do they have a giant sculpture depicting the gateway to said west?

No. Because they're in the West rather than standing at the entrance to it. We're the southernmost northern city and the westernmost eastern city, but Kansas City really does get the title of easternmost major western city. And I'd give northernmost southern city to Louisville. Historically it would have been either Washington D. C. or Baltimore, I would guess, though they're probably both solidly out of the South now.

Yeah I think most people would agree that St. Louis, like the rest of the big cities on the Mississippi River (Minneapolis, Memphis, Baton Rouge, New Orleans) are all Eastern cities.

Ebsy wrote: ↑

Jan 29, 2022

Yeah I think most people would agree that St. Louis, like the rest of the big cities on the Mississippi River (Minneapolis, Memphis, Baton Rouge, New Orleans) are all Eastern cities.

I'd probably call Minneapolis at least as Western as Kansas City. It's a younger, more "griddy," and has its origin as a western outpost of the US military, rather than as a French or English colony. I suppose all of this is sort of relative, and deeply fuzzy at this point, but it's very much a "pioneers and covered wagons" sort of place. Where St. Louis was already here by then, allowing most of the pioneers much more recent than Daniel Boone to use established transportation to trailheads even further west. I'll ask my TC friends how they think of themselves. It's always an interesting question. (And then I'll ask my St. Louis native friend who moved up to that godforsaken wasteland of ice and snow* what he has to say about it.)

*I actually like St. Paul and environs. It's a fine place. Just a tad cold in the winter. As long as you pack appropriate supplies you can safely visit.

Minnesotan here.  Minneapolis is a very modern, progressive city that puts an emphasis on education, art, and culture.   It is very clean and modern.  It does not have an East Coast feel.  It is definitely not griddy.   The people are intensely private and rooted in their Scandinavian heritage.  I never heard many comparisons growing up.  If I were to compare, Denver and Seattle are comparable cities in terms.  

^ agreed. and not sure anyone has ever thought of Memphis, New Orleans, or Baton Rouge as Eastern cities. Memphis maybe approaches Midwestern but Eastern?

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑

Jan 29, 2022

^ agreed. and not sure anyone has ever thought of Memphis, New Orleans, or Baton Rouge as Eastern cities. Memphis maybe approaches Midwestern but Eastern?

It's the Southeast!

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Jan 28, 2022

And I'd give northernmost southern city to Louisville. Historically it would have been either Washington D. C. or Baltimore, I would guess, though they're probably both solidly out of the South now.

i don't think Baltimore has ever been considered southern to any extent. DC maaaaaaaaaaaybe a smidge due to its proximity to VA and W. VA.

STLAPTS wrote: ↑

Jan 29, 2022

Minnesotan here.  Minneapolis is a very modern, progressive city that puts an emphasis on education, art, and culture.   It is very clean and modern.  It does not have an East Coast feel.  It is definitely not griddy.   The people are intensely private and rooted in their Scandinavian heritage.  I never heard many comparisons growing up.  If I were to compare, Denver and Seattle are comparable cities in terms.  

Grew up as Minnesotan and agree on the deep Scandinavian roots but maybe not quite as pronounced as it once was.  Both of my Grandfathers were active member in Sons of Norway and my father was a not so active member   Minneapolis is definitely has definittly the modern progressive city that scares all the conservatives in the out state where I grew up.   

However, I never identified Twin Cities or for that matter St. Louis as Eastern or Western city.   To me Twin Cities were always solidly Midwest  such as Milwaukee, or Chicago or Detroit, Cleveland, Indy & St. Louis etc.   KC, Omaha, Fargo were more on the border of Midwest and Western cities were truly the likes of Denver, Salt Lake, Cheyenne, Billings, etc.   So I think a lot more people identified Eastern cities as more so the Northeast and then break it down into even smaller geographically locations such as Midwest Southeast, Deep South, Southwest and Pacific Northwest.    

STLAPTS wrote: ↑

Jan 29, 2022

Minnesotan here.  Minneapolis is a very modern, progressive city that puts an emphasis on education, art, and culture.   It is very clean and modern.  It does not have an East Coast feel.  It is definitely not griddy.   The people are intensely private and rooted in their Scandinavian heritage.  I never heard many comparisons growing up.  If I were to compare, Denver and Seattle are comparable cities in terms.  

I don't mean "gritty," but rather gridlike. It's got a nice square street grid, like Denver or Kansas City. And the streets align with the cardinarl directions, not rivers or other landforms in the way they do here or in some older eastern cities. Not meaning any insult. I like Minneapolis. But I'd call it more western than eastern. In the end it, like St. Louis, is Midwestern. But if we're going to pick apart the Midwest I think it goes in the newer and more western part.

'Welcome Home, Nikki Glaser?' Highlights Comedian Nikki Glasers Move to St. Louis

https://m.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis/w ... d=37179226

A show about Nikki Glaser's move back to St. Louis is going to premiere on May 1 on the E! Network.

St Louis City SC looks to MLS future by remembering ‘hard truths of the past’
Major League Soccer’s newest club, due to begin play in 2023, is using its platform to tell a virtually unknown part of Black history – and living its community-led values other ways too
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/16/st-louis-city-sc-mill-creek-valley

I was very surprised that there hadn't been any St. Louis stores to file as of yet. Hopefully this is the first in a coming wave!

"Lakes" of the Ozarks. 

^Well, Table Rock, Stockton, Bull Shoals . . . To be completely fair there really are a bunch down that way. But yeah, that sounded decidedly odd. What with the big one being sort of famous.

The new season of Steven Raichlen's popular PBS barbeque show "Project Fire" was filmed in St. Louis. First episode is this Saturday. 

"A  brand-new season was filmed in the mecca of midwestern barbecue: St. Louis. Steve has invited some of the city’s top chefs to share their specialties, from Balkan Treat Box grill masters to beloved St. Louis stalwarts. Savvy social media barbecue influencers are also tagged to grill over Steven’s fire, and he works his magic with more Project Fire Mystery Boxes. See episode descriptions below."

  https://www.ninepbs.org/blogs/lifestyle ... ject-fire/

^The Mecca of Midwestern barbecue? I can live with that.