The important thing is to understand that all the crime is the result of hundreds of individual decisions and not related in any way to our institutions of government, which are noble and perfect. To say that we are deliberately generating crime with entrenched systems of class wealth would imply that individuals aren't sole determiners of their destinies, which is racist.downtown2007 wrote: ↑Dec 31, 2021Funny how too many people dismiss it, deflect from the issue, shift blame, make meaningless comparisons, and try to cover it up with PR and stats. Therein lies the REAL problem.
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Reactionaries, avowed or otherwise, will insist that law and order is breaking down no matter what is actually happening. Best to just ignore them.
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The problemEbsy wrote:Reactionaries, avowed or otherwise, will insist that law and order is breaking down no matter what is actually happening. Best to just ignore them.
How does one figure out where the gold coins came from?
Stltoday - Burglary case mushrooms into 'spider web' after death of recluse in Lincoln County
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 7438e.html
Stltoday - Burglary case mushrooms into 'spider web' after death of recluse in Lincoln County
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 7438e.html
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It's fine to say that crime is still too high and that more progress is needed, or to point out that certain crimes and/or certain neighborhoods may not have seen a decrease, but making up sh*t about rising crime in the city when it is significantly less than last year is fear-mongering and a disservice to all. Anyway, per the last NIBRS report (thru October), Homicide, Aggravated Assault (including w/ firearms) Rape, Robbery & Burglary were all down substantially over 2020. Motor Vehicle Theft, and larceny thefts from cars and car parts. were up.
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Another homicide in our city’s downtown next to one of our few high end restaurants left. But remember, crime is so much better than it used to be.
St. Louis police investigate fatal shooting of man in Downtown West neighborhood
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 10e9e.html
St. Louis police investigate fatal shooting of man in Downtown West neighborhood
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 10e9e.html
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Ever heard of confirmation bias?
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Sane person: we had less rain this year
*It’s raining that day*
Not sane person: see and people say it’s raining less this year.
*It’s raining that day*
Not sane person: see and people say it’s raining less this year.
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In separate incidents, multiple condo units downtown damaged by gunfire. The bullets actually went through their windows.
A parade of gunfire for an hour near the cluster of hotels along 8th. I wonder what their guests think?
None of this will hit the stat sheet but certainly leaves a horrible impression for residents and visitors. But always remember crime is down and we should keep drinking the kool aid from our elected officials.
A parade of gunfire for an hour near the cluster of hotels along 8th. I wonder what their guests think?
None of this will hit the stat sheet but certainly leaves a horrible impression for residents and visitors. But always remember crime is down and we should keep drinking the kool aid from our elected officials.
Crime is down ≠ crime has disappeared. This really shouldn’t be that hard.
Crime can be down in St. Louis (as it was in 2021!) and there will still be shootings, killings and other incidents. I haven’t seen anyone here say crime is no longer existent in STL because we’ve seen some measurable progress in the last year. The idea is to keep building on that progress and attempting to get better.
Seems to be a better course of action than just b*tching at people on an Internet forum that have no real say in the city’s crime fighting apparatus, but whatever lol.
Crime can be down in St. Louis (as it was in 2021!) and there will still be shootings, killings and other incidents. I haven’t seen anyone here say crime is no longer existent in STL because we’ve seen some measurable progress in the last year. The idea is to keep building on that progress and attempting to get better.
Seems to be a better course of action than just b*tching at people on an Internet forum that have no real say in the city’s crime fighting apparatus, but whatever lol.
TIME Magazine:
Amid a Continuing Wave of Gun Violence, This U.S. City is Bucking the Trend - St. Louis
https://time.com/6129859/st-louis-shoot ... -decrease/
Amid a Continuing Wave of Gun Violence, This U.S. City is Bucking the Trend - St. Louis
https://time.com/6129859/st-louis-shoot ... -decrease/
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Yeah that Time article is fake news. 2020 was the highest homicide rate in history so it was bound to come down. However we will finish again with one of the highest rates in history and the highest in the country. That’s not something to celebrate and claim victory on. Furthermore smaller crimes are out of control because of a lack of police resources and a CA that doesn’t punish anyone for these crimes.
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Man with shotgun seen shooting in the parking lot of the Park Lux St. Louis | New Years 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq1HWnIIAD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq1HWnIIAD8
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The point of the article was a nationwide increase in gun violence and homicides and the trend has continued for the vast majority of population centers while St. Louis has returned to pre pandemic levels, or even a modest decrease from. I think it is of interest, especially as we continue to put our finger on the reason why we are the anomaly in this regard. If we can identify the factors, as the article explores, that are pushing our numbers back down, then we can continue the trend.
So I guess I'm saying your claim of fake news is fake news.
So I guess I'm saying your claim of fake news is fake news.
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Again we are coming of a historically high rate by a wide margin. And our pre pandemic rate was also extremely high. It doesn’t matter if others are still rising while ours lowered slightly. We still blow them out of the water. It’s all a distraction from the problem.
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It wasn’t bound to come down. We were on pace to exceed 2020 after Q1 in 2021. Took a big turn around to change that.downtown2007 wrote:Yeah that Time article is fake news. 2020 was the highest homicide rate in history so it was bound to come down. However we will finish again with one of the highest rates in history and the highest in the country. That’s not something to celebrate and claim victory on. Furthermore smaller crimes are out of control because of a lack of police resources and a CA that doesn’t punish anyone for these crimes.
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The crime is actually caused by systemic inequality and racism that nobody in power would address even if they wanted to. The only acceptable way to address crime, traditionally, would be to displace the undesirables to another city.downtown2007 wrote: ↑Jan 01, 2022Yeah that Time article is fake news. 2020 was the highest homicide rate in history so it was bound to come down. However we will finish again with one of the highest rates in history and the highest in the country. That’s not something to celebrate and claim victory on. Furthermore smaller crimes are out of control because of a lack of police resources and a CA that doesn’t punish anyone for these crimes.
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I would be 100 percent ok if we can displace all the criminals some ware else. People that rob, shoot, kill have no interest to better there lives. That is why we need to be more liberal with the death penalty. Your average person should not have to live in fear of individuals that chose to rob and shoot people.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jan 01, 2022The crime is actually caused by systemic inequality and racism that nobody in power would address even if they wanted to. The only acceptable way to address crime, traditionally, would be to displace the undesirables to another city.downtown2007 wrote: ↑Jan 01, 2022Yeah that Time article is fake news. 2020 was the highest homicide rate in history so it was bound to come down. However we will finish again with one of the highest rates in history and the highest in the country. That’s not something to celebrate and claim victory on. Furthermore smaller crimes are out of control because of a lack of police resources and a CA that doesn’t punish anyone for these crimes.
Also that is happing to overland in the last month.
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/suspe ... years-eve/
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/argum ... estaurant/
https://www.kmov.com/news/employee-shot ... 6e5be.html
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/suspe ... years-eve/
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/argum ... estaurant/
https://www.kmov.com/news/employee-shot ... 6e5be.html
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The people who run the country do more robbing and shooting than the criminals, it just doesn't get portrayed that way in the media for some reason.Thatguy644 wrote: ↑Jan 01, 2022I would be 100 percent ok if we can displace all the criminals some ware else. People that rob, shoot, kill have no interest to better there lives. That is why we need to be more liberal with the death penalty. Your average person should not have to live in fear of individuals that chose to rob and shoot people.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jan 01, 2022The crime is actually caused by systemic inequality and racism that nobody in power would address even if they wanted to. The only acceptable way to address crime, traditionally, would be to displace the undesirables to another city.downtown2007 wrote: ↑Jan 01, 2022Yeah that Time article is fake news. 2020 was the highest homicide rate in history so it was bound to come down. However we will finish again with one of the highest rates in history and the highest in the country. That’s not something to celebrate and claim victory on. Furthermore smaller crimes are out of control because of a lack of police resources and a CA that doesn’t punish anyone for these crimes.
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Holy smokes the amount of mental gymnastics one has to do to understand Downtown2007 logic would literally win a bronze at least at the Olympics. At end of April we were streaking towards 300 homicides for the year. A new administration gets going in May, makes changes and we finishes 105 below the end of april pace while rest of the country keeps going with 2020 pace. I mean it’s ok to give credit to a black mayor dude
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I do agree.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jan 01, 2022The people who run the country do more robbing and shooting than the criminals, it just doesn't get portrayed that way in the media for some reasoI doThatguy644 wrote: ↑Jan 01, 2022I would be 100 percent ok if we can displace all the criminals some ware else. People that rob, shoot, kill have no interest to better there lives. That is why we need to be more liberal with the death penalty. Your average person should not have to live in fear of individuals that chose to rob and shoot people.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Jan 01, 2022The crime is actually caused by systemic inequality and racism that nobody in power would address even if they wanted to. The only acceptable way to address crime, traditionally, would be to displace the undesirables to another city.
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More liberal with the death penalty? Because that has ever stopped someone from committing murder? Like literally ever?
Around the state round up
In 2020 Springfield (MO) set a record for homicides for the city and in 2021 it set it again with an 18% increase from record setting 2020 which itself was a 37% increase from a previous record.
In 2020 Springfield (MO) set a record for homicides for the city and in 2021 it set it again with an 18% increase from record setting 2020 which itself was a 37% increase from a previous record.
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This: I would be 100 percent ok if we can displace all the criminals some ware else. People that rob, shoot, kill have no interest to better there lives. That is why we need to be more liberal with the death penalty. Your average person should not have to live in fear of individuals that chose to rob and shoot people.
And this The people who run the country do more robbing and shooting than the criminals, it just doesn't get portrayed that way in the media for some reason.
I offer this: If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
And this The people who run the country do more robbing and shooting than the criminals, it just doesn't get portrayed that way in the media for some reason.
I offer this: If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn