Put an initiative on the ballot to change the zoning code to allow more things by right. Be careful though, we could have had a paid parking lot, Ferris wheel, or single story drive-thru bank here but for the leverage this stuff affords us.
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Citywide form based code with building requirements that if met lead to a project being approved automaticallyPeterXCV wrote: ↑Dec 07, 2021^How do we change this system? Seems not great to me that effectively development is governed by 28 mini mayors, and unlikely that will change just because there will be 14 of them in 2023.
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Considering how diligent the neighborhood Leadership has been in turning down bad proposals, it makes me angry for them that people are accusing them of corruption for working with OPUS on this apartment building.quincunx wrote:Put an initiative on the ballot to change the zoning code to allow more things by right. Be carefull though, we could have had a paid parking lot, Ferris wheel, or single story drive-thru bank here but for the leverage this stuff affords us.
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Did any board members say anything about people's comments of about the proposal? Did they say what their next step would be?
I actually liked the ferris wheel/beergarden proposal though agree that this project is better in terms of adding tax $$ and people to the city.
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I don’t think so. Nicole Blumner (sp?) spoke but wasn’t clear if it was in her committee capacity or as an individual and was more to broad criticisms about the process and the proposal.quincunx wrote:Did any board members say anything about people's comments of about the proposal? Did they say what their next step would be?
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I heard a rumor that the architect opposed to this is working on the form based code.
Hopefully the Alderwoman is receiving as much (if not more) support for the project through other channels as the griping she's having to sit through at open meetings.
It was before the current Alderwoman's time, but Citizen Park is also in the 28th Ward and received significant feedback (although perhaps a little less pushback). That project was a similar scale, by the same developer, also at a prominent intersection, in the same Ward. Hopefully this one follows a similar path.
It was before the current Alderwoman's time, but Citizen Park is also in the 28th Ward and received significant feedback (although perhaps a little less pushback). That project was a similar scale, by the same developer, also at a prominent intersection, in the same Ward. Hopefully this one follows a similar path.
Reminds me that in the draft FBC this site was max 12 stories, so this proposal would still have needed a height variance. I've heard that they've reduced to 8 stories for sites in the Boulevard Type II which includes this site.
Here's the steering cmte for the FBC. I didn't realize for-profit developers were on it.
https://delmarfbd.com/steering-committe ... f22329e18a
Here's the steering cmte for the FBC. I didn't realize for-profit developers were on it.
https://delmarfbd.com/steering-committe ... f22329e18a
Recall there the NIMBYs got them to build an additional level of underground parking. I wonder how much it gets used. I would have rather the tax abatement be less than more parking.wabash wrote: ↑Dec 07, 2021Hopefully the Alderwoman is receiving as much (if not more) support for the project through other channels as the griping she's having to sit through at open meetings.
It was before the current Alderwoman's time, but Citizen Park is also in the 28th Ward and received significant feedback (although perhaps a little less pushback). That project was a similar scale, by the same developer, also at a prominent intersection, in the same Ward. Hopefully this one follows a similar path.
Well saidwabash wrote: ↑Dec 07, 2021We want more parking, but we don't want more cars or traffic.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Dec 07, 2021None of this is shocking (and don't be sad!). These four talking points were going to be the feedback regardless of the size or scope of what's proposed for this corner.
We don't want more cars, but we also don't want more bikes.
We love the environment, but don't support this highly efficient land use.
We love the environment, but don't support this additional density near transit stations.
We love living in the City, but shouldn't be expected to facilitate it's growth.
We love living in the City, but would rather see an abandoned lot than a new apartment building.
We want a vibrant, walkable community with convenient services, but not an "entertainment district."
We are not exclusive, elitist, or intolerant, but we don't want "transients."
We are immortal and are not transient, unlike "transients."
The parking, traffic and size complaints were to be expected. But when did a fear of "transient" college students become an issue? Is that just NIMBYs parroting talking points? Do these S-D residents not realize that every #1 bus, every WashU security patrol car, every old-timey streetlight along Skinker, every security call box, the maintenance of many buildings along Skinker, Pershing, and Waterman, nearly every business in the Loop - basically the entire viability and vitality of the neighborhood - is supported by the "transient" "rooming house" residents they are lined up against. It's so backwards.
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Just had one of the more vocal neighbors from yesterdays meeting compare this development and the added residents to a slaughterhouse.
1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism
I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.
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1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism
I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.
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OR they know exactly what they're saying and how little it makes sense, but they're willing to throw the kitchen sink out the window because they just don't want it built.SeattleNative wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2021Just had one of the more vocal neighbors from yesterdays meeting compare this development and the added residents to a slaughterhouse.
1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism
I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.
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The height needed to meet parking requirements likely makes the project financially unfeasible.
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That's most unfortunatequincunx wrote: ↑Dec 07, 2021I'm hearing the neighborhood meeting tonight on this isn't going well
Resharing this since I'm still standing by my comments. NIMBYs killed Douglass Hill, is this 6190 Delmar building next?chriss752 wrote: ↑Nov 09, 2021We have some very stupid people living in this City and unfortunately, they're the most vocal. Prime examples of stupidity being this and the Douglass Hill project comments on that project's Facebook.
These NIMBYs don't seem to understand the concept of living in a city or urban area, or even the concept of living in a desirable neighborhood. In the case of the OPUS project, they oppose a project that will add to what's probably the most walkable street in the entire Metro Area. Seems like they'd rather keep a nasty vacant lot. This is one of the projects were I feel public comment shouldn't matter if all it's going to be about is "parking!". Silence the NIMBYs.
It’s more like a slow back and forth conversation. Maybe Opus eventually decides to build a 6 story building here with retail wrapping around the ground floor, under/ground parking ( with alley access like the shake shack building) it would still be adequately urban and transformative. And likely have less resistance from neighbors.chriss752 wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2021Resharing this since I'm still standing by my comments. NIMBYs killed Douglass Hill, is this 6190 Delmar building next?chriss752 wrote: ↑Nov 09, 2021We have some very stupid people living in this City and unfortunately, they're the most vocal. Prime examples of stupidity being this and the Douglass Hill project comments on that project's Facebook.
These NIMBYs don't seem to understand the concept of living in a city or urban area, or even the concept of living in a desirable neighborhood. In the case of the OPUS project, they oppose a project that will add to what's probably the most walkable street in the entire Metro Area. Seems like they'd rather keep a nasty vacant lot. This is one of the projects were I feel public comment shouldn't matter if all it's going to be about is "parking!". Silence the NIMBYs.
And Douglas hill should just move their project east into the City ( grand center comes to mind
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To the traffic concerns:
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I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.SeattleNative wrote:Just had one of the more vocal neighbors from yesterdays meeting compare this development and the added residents to a slaughterhouse.
1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism
I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.
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Care to point me to the ND conversation? I looked for one but couldn’t find it.Mapguy wrote:I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.SeattleNative wrote:Just had one of the more vocal neighbors from yesterdays meeting compare this development and the added residents to a slaughterhouse.
1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism
I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.
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It was about the street garbage bins in the neighborhood overflowing and me saying how the busy bodies of SD should worry about more important issues like that and not the Opus building. https://nextdoor.com/p/ttmZkx_4FRnN?utm ... MjUwODU%3DSeattleNative wrote:Care to point me to the ND conversation? I looked for one but couldn’t find it.Mapguy wrote:I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.SeattleNative wrote:Just had one of the more vocal neighbors from yesterdays meeting compare this development and the added residents to a slaughterhouse.
1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism
I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.
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I’ve been called rude, disrespectful, and other things for calling these people out.SeattleNative wrote:Care to point me to the ND conversation? I looked for one but couldn’t find it.Mapguy wrote:I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.SeattleNative wrote:Just had one of the more vocal neighbors from yesterdays meeting compare this development and the added residents to a slaughterhouse.
1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism
I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.
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I also live in SD, albeit the furthest eastern end, and the comments here have been pretty mixed. All the traffic and parking issues (BS) the NIMBYs bring up don’t affect us as much/at all. Most of the comments here are, “why more luxury housing for students? Why can’t we get more affordable housing built?”, which we have all heard before and are certainly good questions.Mapguy wrote:I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.SeattleNative wrote:Just had one of the more vocal neighbors from yesterdays meeting compare this development and the added residents to a slaughterhouse.
1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism
I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.
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Sadly I couldn’t make it to the meeting or I would have tried to defend the project. It shouldn’t be stopped as it’s an urban project on an urban street. It would most likely fill up pretty fast with WashU what 4-6 blocks away?