6190 Delmar at Skinker

Mapguy · PostDec 09, 2021#1262021-12-09T20:14+00:00

LArchitecture wrote:
Mapguy wrote:
SeattleNative wrote:Just had one of the more vocal neighbors from yesterdays meeting compare this development and the added residents to a slaughterhouse.

1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism

I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.

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I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.

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I also live in SD, albeit the furthest eastern end, and the comments here have been pretty mixed. All the traffic and parking issues (BS) the NIMBYs bring up don’t affect us as much/at all. Most of the comments here are, “why more luxury housing for students? Why can’t we get more affordable housing built?”, which we have all heard before and are certainly good questions.

Sadly I couldn’t make it to the meeting or I would have tried to defend the project. It shouldn’t be stopped as it’s an urban project on an urban street. It would most likely fill up pretty fast with WashU what 4-6 blocks away?

Hello! I live on Skinker a few blocks south of the property, in a building my family has owned since the 70s, one of the last large multi family flats in the neighborhood not owned by WashU or a rental company.
The fearmongering from some here about parking is a joke. Most buildings have private parking in rear on a pad or garage. I haven’t attended all the meetings as well because he NIMBYs here tend to make my blood boil so I stay away.

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SeattleNative · PostDec 09, 2021#1272021-12-09T20:28+00:00

LArchitecture wrote:
Mapguy wrote:
SeattleNative wrote:Just had one of the more vocal neighbors from yesterdays meeting compare this development and the added residents to a slaughterhouse.

1) that’s a terrible analogy
2) that rhetoric about apartments is steeped in racism and classism

I don’t think people realize the hill they’re dying on over this development and how it’s making them look.

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I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.

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I also live in SD, albeit the furthest eastern end, and the comments here have been pretty mixed. All the traffic and parking issues (BS) the NIMBYs bring up don’t affect us as much/at all. Most of the comments here are, “why more luxury housing for students? Why can’t we get more affordable housing built?”, which we have all heard before and are certainly good questions.

Sadly I couldn’t make it to the meeting or I would have tried to defend the project. It shouldn’t be stopped as it’s an urban project on an urban street. It would most likely fill up pretty fast with WashU what 4-6 blocks away?

Yeah I live in the east end of the neighborhood too. I WISH Hudson and Expo had as little parking as the Opus project.

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wabash · PostDec 09, 2021#1282021-12-09T20:49+00:00

LArchitecture, mapguy, anyone else, I encourage you to contact your alderperson through other channels to voice your support for the project (or even that you're not opposed to it) if you aren't able to or would simply rather avoid the in-person meetings. It would be unfortunate it the vociferousness of the opposition gave it an outsized voiced compared to the overall population (and sentiment) of the neighborhood.

SeattleNative · PostDec 09, 2021#1292021-12-09T20:55+00:00

wabash wrote:LArchitecture, mapguy, anyone else, I encourage you to contact your alderperson through other channels to voice your support for the project (or even that you're not opposed to it) if you aren't able to or would simply rather avoid the in-person meetings. It would be unfortunate it the vociferousness of the opposition gave it an outsized voiced compared to the overall population (and sentiment) of the neighborhood.

If they really want public opinion on these projects, alders need to move to some form of random polling. Would be a lot more useful in assessing neighborhood support. I still don’t like that current residents get to dictate which future residents can and can’t come into the community, though.

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Mapguy · PostDec 09, 2021#1302021-12-09T20:56+00:00

wabash wrote:LArchitecture, mapguy, anyone else, I encourage you to contact your alderperson through other channels to voice your support for the project (or even that you're not opposed to it) if you aren't able to or would simply rather avoid the in-person meetings. It would be unfortunate it the vociferousness of the opposition gave it an outsized voiced compared to the overall population (and sentiment) of the neighborhood.

I have all kinds of issues trying to contact our alderwoman or takes weeks for her to respond. But I do agree with you.

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dbInSouthCity · PostDec 09, 2021#1312021-12-09T21:09+00:00

Saturday (11th) you can speak with the Alderwoman at rise coffee from 2:30 to 4 during her monthly “office hours”

LArchitecture · PostDec 09, 2021#1322021-12-09T21:38+00:00

SeattleNative wrote:
LArchitecture wrote:
Mapguy wrote: I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.

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I also live in SD, albeit the furthest eastern end, and the comments here have been pretty mixed. All the traffic and parking issues (BS) the NIMBYs bring up don’t affect us as much/at all. Most of the comments here are, “why more luxury housing for students? Why can’t we get more affordable housing built?”, which we have all heard before and are certainly good questions.

Sadly I couldn’t make it to the meeting or I would have tried to defend the project. It shouldn’t be stopped as it’s an urban project on an urban street. It would most likely fill up pretty fast with WashU what 4-6 blocks away?
Yeah I live in the east end of the neighborhood too. I WISH Hudson and Expo had as little parking as the Opus project.

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100% agree. I’ll forgive one of them if they bring in a simple grocery store for my daily grocery needs.

PostDec 09, 2021#1332021-12-09T21:43+00:00

wabash wrote:LArchitecture, mapguy, anyone else, I encourage you to contact your alderperson through other channels to voice your support for the project (or even that you're not opposed to it) if you aren't able to or would simply rather avoid the in-person meetings. It would be unfortunate it the vociferousness of the opposition gave it an outsized voiced compared to the overall population (and sentiment) of the neighborhood.

I have voiced my opinion to the alder person. Although the ward this is being built in and the ward I am living in are different. Ward reduction please get here faster…

I also voiced my opinion to the neighborhood development committee. At least that is what I think it’s called I would have to look it up again.

quincunx · PostDec 09, 2021#1342021-12-09T22:19+00:00

Mapguy wrote: ↑
Dec 09, 2021
SeattleNative wrote:
Mapguy wrote: I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.

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Care to point me to the ND conversation? I looked for one but couldn’t find it.

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It was about the street garbage bins in the neighborhood overflowing and me saying how the busy bodies of SD should worry about more important issues like that and not the Opus building. https://nextdoor.com/p/ttmZkx_4FRnN?utm ... MjUwODU%3D

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Finally saw them being emptied this morning. I took a bag overflowing out of the one at Waterman and Des Peres and threw into an alley dumpster a few times in recent days. One at Pershing ans SKinker would be nice.

PostDec 09, 2021#1352021-12-09T22:23+00:00

Mapguy wrote: ↑
Dec 09, 2021
LArchitecture wrote:
Mapguy wrote: I live in SD and have been in arguments with a few of my neighbors on this development on nextdoor. It’s definitely a loud group of old guards trying to stop it.

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I also live in SD, albeit the furthest eastern end, and the comments here have been pretty mixed. All the traffic and parking issues (BS) the NIMBYs bring up don’t affect us as much/at all. Most of the comments here are, “why more luxury housing for students? Why can’t we get more affordable housing built?”, which we have all heard before and are certainly good questions.

Sadly I couldn’t make it to the meeting or I would have tried to defend the project. It shouldn’t be stopped as it’s an urban project on an urban street. It would most likely fill up pretty fast with WashU what 4-6 blocks away?
Hello! I live on Skinker a few blocks south of the property, in a building my family has owned since the 70s, one of the last large multi family flats in the neighborhood not owned by WashU or a rental company.
The fearmongering from some here about parking is a joke. Most buildings have private parking in rear on a pad or garage. I haven’t attended all the meetings as well because he NIMBYs here tend to make my blood boil so I stay away.

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Please email the SDCC your thoughts on the project

PostDec 09, 2021#1362021-12-09T22:24+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Dec 09, 2021
Saturday (11th) you can speak with the Alderwoman at rise coffee from 2:30 to 4 during her monthly “office hours”

This is in the 28th, not the 17th

Mapguy · PostDec 10, 2021#1372021-12-10T00:13+00:00

quincunx wrote:
Mapguy wrote: ↑
Dec 09, 2021
SeattleNative wrote: Care to point me to the ND conversation? I looked for one but couldn’t find it.

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It was about the street garbage bins in the neighborhood overflowing and me saying how the busy bodies of SD should worry about more important issues like that and not the Opus building. https://nextdoor.com/p/ttmZkx_4FRnN?utm ... MjUwODU%3D

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Finally saw them being emptied this morning. I took a bag overflowing out of the one at Waterman and Des Peres and threw into an alley dumpster a few times in recent days. One at Pershing ans SKinker would be nice.

Yes. There had been one at Pershing and Skinker for decades, but it was removed when WashU remodeled 310 Skinker and never replaced it.

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SeattleNative · PostDec 10, 2021#1382021-12-10T01:47+00:00

Neighborhood voted 9-5 to oppose the development.

Opus can still go through city process, but less favorable odds now.

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quincunx · PostDec 10, 2021#1392021-12-10T01:59+00:00

It's a shame how we let cars ruin places.

PostDec 10, 2021#1402021-12-10T02:08+00:00

One board member wasn't sure that more people living in the Loop would help the economy of the Loop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

RockChalkSTL · PostDec 10, 2021#1412021-12-10T02:26+00:00

That's truly one of the saddest things I've read in quite some time.

How do these fools get into positions of leadership?

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quincunx · PostDec 10, 2021#1422021-12-10T02:29+00:00

You all have to get on these neighborhood boards and committees if you want different. We need to change zoning if we want different.

RockChalkSTL · PostDec 10, 2021#1432021-12-10T02:31+00:00

The problem with St. Louis and someone like me attempting something like that is that I'm not from St. Louis; I didn't go to high school here so I'll never be a St. Louisan in some people's eyes.

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quincunx · PostDec 10, 2021#1442021-12-10T02:33+00:00

I didn't either, and I'm on committees and boards.

SeattleNative · PostDec 10, 2021#1452021-12-10T02:33+00:00

KansasCitian wrote:The problem with St. Louis and someone like me attempting something like that is that I'm not from St. Louis; I didn't go to high school here so I'll never be a St. Louisan in some people's eyes.

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One of our board members, and I’m glad she did this, made the valuable point that opposers of the project had no more voice than others just because they’d lived in the neighborhood longer. We need more of that attitude.

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Mapguy · PostDec 10, 2021#1462021-12-10T02:33+00:00

quincunx wrote:You all have to get on these neighborhood boards and committees if you want different. We need to change zoning if we want different.

I’ve never really paid attention, what’s the makeup of the sdcc? Also how many of them live between Rosedale and Skinker and Delmar and Waterman? I’m just guessing but I think most of them do. Also how many are renters? Is there anyone from the student population, they are part of this neighborhood, even if it’s short term.

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PostDec 10, 2021#1472021-12-10T02:36+00:00

SeattleNative wrote:
KansasCitian wrote:The problem with St. Louis and someone like me attempting something like that is that I'm not from St. Louis; I didn't go to high school here so I'll never be a St. Louisan in some people's eyes.

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One of our board members, and I’m glad she did this, made the valuable point that opposers of the project had no more voice than others just because they’d lived in the neighborhood longer. We need more of that attitude.

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So true. But it’s the old guard that think of themselves as urban pioneers and single handily saved SD.

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quincunx · PostDec 10, 2021#1482021-12-10T02:37+00:00

Here's the board members
https://skinkerdebaliviere.wordpress.co ... directors/

RockChalkSTL · PostDec 10, 2021#1492021-12-10T02:41+00:00

I think I'd like to go to one of these development meetings and be the guy that's equally as belligerent about being for development as the NIMBYs that are against it.

I've never been to one before, but after seeing a number of projects shut down for truly insular, short-sighted, regressive thinking, I just might; I just might go to one or ten or a hundred and really ruffle some NIMBY feathers.

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quincunx · PostDec 10, 2021#1502021-12-10T03:10+00:00

A commenter on FB celebrating the defeat because it was too big has a photo of the Brooklyn Bridge and NYC as her profile pic. Face Palm.

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