And there's already a stadium plan that has architectural plans ready to go along the riverfront. No need to reinvent the wheel if the previous stadium proposal would still work.
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If this does go to court and the owner's books have to open, the NFLPA must send STL a thank you card.
Since we're not paying for it, I'd like a nicer stadium please.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2021And there's already a stadium plan that has architectural plans ready to go along the riverfront. No need to reinvent the wheel if the previous stadium proposal would still work.
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Has the situation changed at all since 2015 regards to who owns those buildings and the land?Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2021And there's already a stadium plan that has architectural plans ready to go along the riverfront. No need to reinvent the wheel if the previous stadium proposal would still work.
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Just be careful wishing on that monkey's paw. Next thing you know, they'll be building it out in Maryland Heights along 141.pop_scientist wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2021Since we're not paying for it, I'd like a nicer stadium please.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2021And there's already a stadium plan that has architectural plans ready to go along the riverfront. No need to reinvent the wheel if the previous stadium proposal would still work.
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An older article that gives some more insight: https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story ... os-angeles
I honestly wouldn’t have a problem with a football stadium in the County provided it had MetroLink access.
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I don't think the NFL wants a city-owned franchise, and I don't get the sense that St. Louis would, either.gone corporate wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2021^If we're going on that theoretical, then maybe the NFL could allow a future hypothetical STL franchise to be owned publicly, a la Green Bay. While they said they'd never allow it to happen again, it's pretty obvious that the NFL doesn't really abide by their own rules already. In actuality, it'd have to be some sort of trust that owns the team, for which the public sector (STL City, STL County) own a portion. The TV revenues would be an absolutely incredible stream of monies flowing into STL.
Side note: Imagine if the City finally drops the Earnings Tax because they have NFL broadcasting revenues coming in.
Again, this is highly unlikely...
Right now, STL has a monster case against the NFL. This'll go to trial, and the damages are getting bigger. I'm thinking damages will likely be awarded in the neighborhood of $3-4.5BB before punitive damages.
Most likely way we ever get another NFL team in the relative future is if the lawyers buy the Chargers and bring them here as part of their payout.
I like my suggestion. NFL gifts the city a franchise and stadium. City then sells the franchise to someone that they feel comfortable with, and someone that the league feels comfortable with. The city gets a new stadium, new franchise, and a multi-billion dollar payday that comes from some billionaire's (+ fellow shareholders') bank account(s) and not from the league itself.
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^Wouldn't mind that at all. Very much, I think that's a great idea, conditional that STL requests a very long-term lease for this team to remain STL. Hell, if that potential owner has a company, maybe STL could gift them 909 Chestnut. They set up part of their company there, further tie themselves to the City, and finally get that damn thing operational again. 2 birds, 1 stone.
Also, considering that damages could very reasonably get into the $10BB+ phase right now, it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper for the League to just create a new franchise than have to shell out the cash equivalent. Should that be an option, I'd think they'll have to build STL a new stadium, too.
Only thing that I see is that the League really doesn't want to have 33 teams, that the 32 team framework is near perfect right now. Think the most likely chance STL gets a team is if the Chargers get moved here, and I'm not holding my breath.
Also, considering that damages could very reasonably get into the $10BB+ phase right now, it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper for the League to just create a new franchise than have to shell out the cash equivalent. Should that be an option, I'd think they'll have to build STL a new stadium, too.
Only thing that I see is that the League really doesn't want to have 33 teams, that the 32 team framework is near perfect right now. Think the most likely chance STL gets a team is if the Chargers get moved here, and I'm not holding my breath.
You know what'd be interesting?
Plaintiffs could seek damages that include 50 years of NFL TV revenues being paid to STL, whether or not a franchise is awarded. That'd be a hell of a revenue stream. This would also be the surest way to get a franchise here sometime in the future, as the League would do whatever they could to get an existing team here just to stave off revenue dilution amongst the existing owners.
Plaintiffs could seek damages that include 50 years of NFL TV revenues being paid to STL, whether or not a franchise is awarded. That'd be a hell of a revenue stream. This would also be the surest way to get a franchise here sometime in the future, as the League would do whatever they could to get an existing team here just to stave off revenue dilution amongst the existing owners.
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The Rams/Chargers relationship sounds very shaky again. Suggestions that Carson emails initiated the lawsuit. I bet Stan would love to evict Spanos, but in order to get his way and get the winning bid when the league insisted he take one of the losers, he gave Spanos a sweetheart deal which hes saddled with.gone corporate wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2021^Wouldn't mind that at all. Very much, I think that's a great idea, conditional that STL requests a very long-term lease for this team to remain STL. Hell, if that potential owner has a company, maybe STL could gift them 909 Chestnut. They set up part of their company there, further tie themselves to the City, and finally get that damn thing operational again. 2 birds, 1 stone.
Also, considering that damages could very reasonably get into the $10BB+ phase right now, it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper for the League to just create a new franchise than have to shell out the cash equivalent. Should that be an option, I'd think they'll have to build STL a new stadium, too.
Only thing that I see is that the League really doesn't want to have 33 teams, that the 32 team framework is near perfect right now. Think the most likely chance STL gets a team is if the Chargers get moved here, and I'm not holding my breath.
Stan is going to be coughing up billions whilst Spanos basically has a free stadium paying a dollar a year rent and Davis got the Vegas deal.
BENJAMIN ALLBRIGHT Report: NFL is Prepping a Package to Offer an EXPANSION TEAM to ST. LOUIS
I was not wild about the riverfront proposal, would like to see something closer to what Kroenke proposed with a retractable roof. Just makes more sense from an economic standpoint considering the utilization possibilities.
I was not wild about the riverfront proposal, would like to see something closer to what Kroenke proposed with a retractable roof. Just makes more sense from an economic standpoint considering the utilization possibilities.
Huh? All he proposed was tearing down like 2/3rds of the dome and a small panel that moved on the new roof.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2021BENJAMIN ALLBRIGHT Report: NFL is Prepping a Package to Offer an EXPANSION TEAM to ST. LOUIS
I was not wild about the riverfront proposal, would like to see something closer to what Kroenke proposed with a retractable roof. Just makes more sense from an economic standpoint considering the utilization possibilities.
I think retractable roof stadiums are silly expenses. The Colts only open theirs 1, 2 or 3 games tops a year. Or last weekend it was 75 degrees in Las Vegas and they had their side windows closed. The roof in Atlanta seems to be closed most of the time.
At this point a new franchise and stadium is basically a bribe. Though, it's worth it only in spirit of that the litigation would be stretched out for so long, and the state would end up getting its undeserved slice of the pie.
A lot of interesting discussion with TV contracts, revenue sharing, etc. I'm not sure how much creativity is being brought to the table on from our side. But at any rate the league would still continue to make hand over fist, forever. So something to be taken into consideration when weighing the free franchise vs damages IMO.
Personally, from a pride standpoint, I'd like them to get shafted wholly. But the lazy side of me would also like to see this sh*t over with rather than take a decade. Public ownership/trust ownership would be key to further trust in being 'gifted' a franchise. Otherwise what's to stop this garbage from happening again? 'Good faith'?
A lot of interesting discussion with TV contracts, revenue sharing, etc. I'm not sure how much creativity is being brought to the table on from our side. But at any rate the league would still continue to make hand over fist, forever. So something to be taken into consideration when weighing the free franchise vs damages IMO.
Personally, from a pride standpoint, I'd like them to get shafted wholly. But the lazy side of me would also like to see this sh*t over with rather than take a decade. Public ownership/trust ownership would be key to further trust in being 'gifted' a franchise. Otherwise what's to stop this garbage from happening again? 'Good faith'?
Good lord, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was paid $128 million in the last two years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-nfl ... 13820.html
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-nfl ... 13820.html
Why would the NFL be so foolish to give St. Louis a team? I mean, that would be ‘financial ruin.’
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More like any team that f***s over STL will face financial ruin 
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Frank Cusumano gave his opinion on the matter last night stating he'd rather have an expansion team. Not sure how many people watch the local nightly news anymore, but I wonder if that would sway public opinion at all.
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It was an extensive renovation, basically a brand-new stadium and it would have still been connected to the convention center. While I don't disagree that retractable roofs aren't utilized extensively and are a considerable expense, having all that enclosed space next to the CC would give STL an attractive indoor venue along with a great game-day experience.dweebe wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2021Huh? All he proposed was tearing down like 2/3rds of the dome and a small panel that moved on the new roof.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2021BENJAMIN ALLBRIGHT Report: NFL is Prepping a Package to Offer an EXPANSION TEAM to ST. LOUIS
I was not wild about the riverfront proposal, would like to see something closer to what Kroenke proposed with a retractable roof. Just makes more sense from an economic standpoint considering the utilization possibilities.
I think retractable roof stadiums are silly expenses. The Colts only open theirs 1, 2 or 3 games tops a year. Or last weekend it was 75 degrees in Las Vegas and they had their side windows closed. The roof in Atlanta seems to be closed most of the time.
You know what's a better game day experience? Open air. Football is meant to be played on God's green grass and under His blue sky. Not played indoors under a roof and on plastic.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2021It was an extensive renovation, basically a brand-new stadium and it would have still been connected to the convention center. While I don't disagree that retractable roofs aren't utilized extensively and are a considerable expense, having all that enclosed space next to the CC would give STL an attractive indoor venue along with a great game-day experience.dweebe wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2021Huh? All he proposed was tearing down like 2/3rds of the dome and a small panel that moved on the new roof.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2021BENJAMIN ALLBRIGHT Report: NFL is Prepping a Package to Offer an EXPANSION TEAM to ST. LOUIS
I was not wild about the riverfront proposal, would like to see something closer to what Kroenke proposed with a retractable roof. Just makes more sense from an economic standpoint considering the utilization possibilities.
I think retractable roof stadiums are silly expenses. The Colts only open theirs 1, 2 or 3 games tops a year. Or last weekend it was 75 degrees in Las Vegas and they had their side windows closed. The roof in Atlanta seems to be closed most of the time.
^ I'd like the best of both worlds. Very liberal open roof policy, any day warmer than 40 or 50 and the roof is open. Natural grass, if weed farmers can grow all that weed indoors I know we can figure out a way to do it in a dome.
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...Sports reporter wants another sports team to report on.Miss Shell wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2021Frank Cusumano gave his opinion on the matter last night stating he'd rather have an expansion team. Not sure how many people watch the local nightly news anymore, but I wonder if that would sway public opinion at all.
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Part of what sucked about the Ed Jones Dome and football games is that it's a windowless warehouse. At least the newer domes around the league realized our mistake and try to ensure plenty of light and views.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2021^ I'd like the best of both worlds. Very liberal open roof policy, any day warmer than 40 or 50 and the roof is open. Natural grass, if weed farmers can grow all that weed indoors I know we can figure out a way to do it in a dome.
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Keep in mind that all this new talk of the NFL providing a new team to STL would more than likely be a negotiating tactic AFTER a verdict. Right now, there's extremely little that will stop the case from being heard in court, and they know it. Afterwards, if they're facing many billions in damages, they'll offer STL a franchise, and maybe even costs for a stadium and practice facility, to whittle down what they're (likely) going to owe.
I still love my little idea that the attorneys could become the hypothetical new team's owners if the damages are big enough. Say damages to be awarded are $10BB or greater (which is looking quite reasonable here). Now, plaintiff's attorneys are working on a 35% contingency basis, so a $10BB judgment would mean $3.5BB in attorneys' fees. In lieu of $3.5BB cash, the NFL could award the attorneys a franchise, plus a stadium, plus practice facilities, plus enough capital to fund the team coming into being (players, back office, etc.). Doing this would provide the attorneys, as new owners, annuitized revenues from broadcasting rights as well as the team itself, which is the most profitable type of sports franchise in the US. That's a multi-generational wealth accumulation opportunity for the attorneys right there. Plus, they'd be heroes to STL that gets football back, and in doing so bring the NFL back to STL in a manner that we can swallow: as victors over StanK Kroenke. Hell, we'll be playing in a house paid for by him in damages.
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I still love my little idea that the attorneys could become the hypothetical new team's owners if the damages are big enough. Say damages to be awarded are $10BB or greater (which is looking quite reasonable here). Now, plaintiff's attorneys are working on a 35% contingency basis, so a $10BB judgment would mean $3.5BB in attorneys' fees. In lieu of $3.5BB cash, the NFL could award the attorneys a franchise, plus a stadium, plus practice facilities, plus enough capital to fund the team coming into being (players, back office, etc.). Doing this would provide the attorneys, as new owners, annuitized revenues from broadcasting rights as well as the team itself, which is the most profitable type of sports franchise in the US. That's a multi-generational wealth accumulation opportunity for the attorneys right there. Plus, they'd be heroes to STL that gets football back, and in doing so bring the NFL back to STL in a manner that we can swallow: as victors over StanK Kroenke. Hell, we'll be playing in a house paid for by him in damages.
Saint Louis Verdicts... Saint Louis Judgments... Saint Louis Barristers...