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Will be interesting to see if engineering can stay on top of the environmental challenges in the South and West.  The existence of society itself since beginning of civilization (say over 1000 people fixed in an area) typically relies on engineering - sewer system, water supply, food supply, now power supply, disaster preparation/resolution, policy impacting economic viability, etc.  

California is losing population for the first time ever, perhaps due to mismanagement of the latter two and teetering on issues with water management.  Desalination tech improving might help CA but maybe not the deserts, which might need to rely on cloud seeding if too expensive to pump sea water to deserts to desalinate. But those 'solutions' make it even more expensive to live/function, a reason many leaving CA.  Would think Texas will be easiest to solve their issues by getting up to speed on renewable energy and getting on national power grid if needed,  desalinating if eventually necessary.  Coastal submersion otherwise of course probably the biggest challenge in the long run.

Some areas may decline due to inability to manage one or more of the above and Midwest might benefit but depends on what challenges we might have.  Survival of fittest is typically achieved by those who manage to adapt.

New developments of nanofiber membranes also improving desalinization efficiency.  Other methods improving efficiency every year too.  We'll probably get it down within a decade or so.  But another challenge is what to do with the brine, which is typically dumped back into the sea.  Nuclear power has a nasty byproduct too. There's typically no free lunch but wind/solar/water generated power pretty close.  We tend to screw around with nature faster than it can repair itself.

Patrick Mahomes misses Whataburger. Bringing 30 Whataburgers to KC.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/patric ... chiefs-nfl

I wish he bring St.Louis @ least 1 or 2.


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Greater downtown KC 2020 census just under 28K, likely over 28K now.  CBD just under 10K, likely over 10K now given hundreds of new units online recently...
https://cityscenekc.com/greater-downtow ... s-results/

An urban Target seems to be the highest desired amenity for downtown and the case is building to justify one.

Three Light Crane is up.

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^pretty sure they just stole Forsyth pointe in Clayton.

The Podium Office & Hotel Tower

KCMO City Council approved a 50% EATS incentive package for this project. The land will be transferred from KCMO to PIEA who will oversee the development and any additional incentives. More details to come at the PIEA meeting for this project tomorrow.

Developer: 3D Development + potential unknown partner
Architect: BNIM
Neighborhood: Crossroads (Freight House Village), adjacent to KC Streetcar
Scope: 250,000 sqft office building, 150 room hotel, parking

LastGentleman on kcrag has posted a bunch of photos showing cranes for both W&R office building and Cordish Three Light crane that just fired up...
https://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?p=625190#p625190
https://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?p=625191#p625191

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NKC streetcar expansion study will kick off later this year. Consultant being procured now.

Head of streetcar authority tweeted “stay tuned. East/West KCMO initiative coming next”.

Well, makes our attempts at proper N/S expansion look pitiful.

If KCK expansion somehow happens, this is a potential scenario tying NKC line into KCK.  I believe the NKC line is intended to target further north than shown.  Also not shown are riverfront and Plaza extensions.   All of these extensions should encourage better contiguous urbane infill, rather than say LRT commuter line to the burbs that would just encourage more commuter sprawl at the stops.

Again I ask…why do we have a daily updated Kansas City thread? We all know KCRag exist and can visit if we need an update on anything.

This kind of stuff sends me.

addxb2, not really sure what you're saying here? (also kind of seems like you're stirring up drama for no reason) 
I'm okay with the KC thread as it is

Not really stirring up drama?

I’m trying to understand why an UrbanStL thread regarding KC seems to receive more updates than the actual forum dedicated to KC.

KC boosters enjoy “dunking” their wins. There are a few pages dedicated to STL on KCRag… none of them include urbanstl posters providing daily updates on all of our progress or comparisons… because it’s not meant for that.

I check and appreciate the KC thread because I want to see photos of pretty buildings in KC. It's not a competition. Having this thread isn't somehow returning a favor or something. Why are people posting and reading the Chicago and Philadelphia threads? Do you think residents in those cities have nice things to say about St. Louis? I can tell you from first hand experience, and I'd be baffled if you couldn't as well, they don't. 

I’d like to address this from the point of view of a ragger so it doesn’t get nasty. I don’t think outside of a few people who  are no longer active on KCrag, there haven’t been any real St. Louis bashers. Raggers post a lot because they are enthusiastic. It isn’t to dunk and it happens on almost every eforum on development. It is definitely not exclusive to Urbanstl. I think most people on KCrag would love to see what St. Louis is doing more often, most of what is posted is received positively. I personally read Urbanstl to see what is happening in St. Louis because I am passionate about what is happening in all of Missouri.

One of the biggest reasons why I moved back to St. Louis ^ Not all but most would dig on St. Louis so much it was uncomfortable. I think it’s just an inferiority issue, and trying to make up for what they don’t have. Generally, I feel St. Louisans speak positively of KC but not vice versa.


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^ exactly. I’m not going to buy that any KC booster is here for any reason but to comfort themselves with comparisons.

Occasional updates on urban policy, architecture, etc are fine (see threads on Philly, Chicago, Nashville) but that isn’t the intention.

I understand that it does exist to some extent but I will say that I think it is over exaggerated here. There also used to be a ban on KC and Chicago posts here which I can promise you never happened on the rag. I’ll keep an eye on St Louis bashing and please do upload pictures. There is no reason for hate our cities are the best hope Missouri has for sanity.

Point of clarity, I’m not actually suggesting we remove the KC thread. I also enjoy updates.

I’m calling out ill intentions just as I would if UrbanStL was tagged frequently by Nashville, Indianapolis, or Chicago boosters seeking a quick hit of “look at us… aren’t you mad?”