City vs Rams Lawsuit

rbb · PostJul 20, 2021#44512021-07-20T18:55+00:00

shadrach wrote: ↑
Jul 17, 2021
Found this blog post from a law firm regarding the case.

Pertinent info from the post:

When it comes to professional football, the NFL is of course the only significant game in town, as it were, and the courts have required that organizations like the NFL take extra steps to comply with federal monopoly/anti-competitive regulations. One such step was the Ninth Circuit requiring in 1984 that the NFL to adopt a “Relocation Policy” that must be followed before a team is allowed to move to another city. The policy requires a team to “work diligently and in good faith to obtain and maintain suitable stadium facilities in their home territories, and to operate in a manner that maximizes fan support in their current home community.”

Link
https://wagensellerlaw.com/city-st-louis-sues-nfl/

Good info.. but "Jeff Kroenke"?!?

Personally I'd be down with the court compelling Mr Kroenke to change his name in order disassociate himself from Stan Musial and Enos Slaughter, but I'm not sure it's likely.

-RBB

shadrach · PostJul 20, 2021#44522021-07-20T19:13+00:00

I noticed that too.

Part of me was wondering if that was' intentional' to hide the article from search results or (being a lawfirm) wiggle its way out of impugning Stan Kroenke of fraudulent behavior since it didn't specifically identify him by name. But I'm probably just spinning yarns.

More than likely a mistake, conflating Jeff Fisher with Kroenke.

BellaVilla · PostJul 20, 2021#44532021-07-20T19:32+00:00

Nierdorff claiming that Kroenke would have kept the Rams in Stl had the city "not played politics." Not only do I not believe him, but the timing is awful

sc4mayor · PostJul 20, 2021#44542021-07-20T20:52+00:00

^ Just got done reading that myself and honestly I think he's just going through the motions with no real desire to hang around. Like others here have said, my guess is whoever takes over when Neidorff leaves moves the business regardless of how things are going here.

I agree with a lot of his critiques and complaints. But then he says something like Kroenke would have stayed if not for the politics? What? How is the city bending over backwards to build yet another stadium downtown (that it couldn't afford) exactly "playing politics." If St. Louis was playing politics, what do you call what the NFL was doing?

And this ignorant fascination with turnstiles on the MetroLink...so pointless and dumb. A massive expense to retrofit the system to solve literally nothing. The problem is how the system is policed, not with its physical layout.

I do agree with him about merging the City and County police departments. That needs to happen and would be relatively painless compared to a BT type deal.

Also an interesting tidbit about how he "sometimes wishes he had moved downtown" and then laid the blame in Cordish's lap because they wouldn't agree to his parking demands. Which considering what they've built in Clayton so far...Cordish might have done us a favor there haha.

Suburban Sprawl · PostJul 20, 2021#44552021-07-20T20:52+00:00

BellaVilla wrote: ↑
Jul 20, 2021
Nierdorff claiming that Kroenke would have kept the Rams in Stl had the city "not played politics." Not only do I not believe him, but the timing is awful

Hes another insincere piece of sh*t out for no one but himself.

RockChalkSTL · PostJul 20, 2021#44562021-07-20T20:58+00:00

Why does this city foster so many homegrown super-villains? Bidwell, Kroenke, Neidorff, and I'm sure there have been others.

urbanitas · PostJul 20, 2021#44572021-07-20T22:49+00:00

KansasCitian wrote: ↑
Jul 20, 2021
Why does this city foster so many homegrown super-villains? Bidwell, Kroenke, Neidorff, and I'm sure there have been others.

*coughs* Ed Whitacre...

dweebe · PostJul 20, 2021#44582021-07-20T22:53+00:00

Suburban Sprawl wrote: ↑
Jul 16, 2021
gone corporate wrote: ↑
Jul 16, 2021
ibleedlou wrote: ↑
Jul 15, 2021
Great insight, very thorough take. You are not an attorney yourself?
Thanks. I Am Not An Attorney (IANAL). I did go to law school for a while until I had what alcoholics call a "moment of clarity" and decided to join the financial services industry instead, where my studies in contract law have been quite helpful, but I still cannot stand tax law...

Thanks to y'all for the compliments. I'm just trying to piece this all together myself.

SymphonicPoet: Dude... You farking rock. Thanks for that.
Also: Can you provide more info on that Spanos STL visit? I haven't heard about that at all, would appreciate any insight you can provide, especially corroborative links. Anyone else hear about that?

I continue my request for any attorneys who participate on this forum to chime in and help me with the 2 questions I had; whether criminal charges could be made based on info from the case's discovery, and a better understanding of punitive damages under Missouri law. Cheers.
It was to do with this tweet last year. The reason for the aircrafts presence has never been explained. The aircraft is Spanos private jet.

There are a couple of businesses at the Sauget/Downtown airport that specialize in and are well regarded concerning airplane interiors. (I know someone that used to work at one.) Planes fly in from all over and Spanos' could have simply been here getting an remodel on the inside.

sc4mayor · PostJul 20, 2021#44592021-07-20T23:09+00:00

^ Really good point. I work with another company like that in Chesterfield that does the same thing at Spirit Airport. Louis Vuitton sends their planes there occasionally.

symphonicpoet · PostJul 21, 2021#44602021-07-21T05:40+00:00

^&^^Fair points. I see all sorts of oddball pri-fly coming in to both airports all the time. Both also seem to have a fair few private jets for charter based there. But I didn't know about the rehabbers. That would explain a lot.

shadrach · PostJul 21, 2021#44612021-07-21T17:13+00:00

He could be getting his plane outfitted.
...or he could be singing like a canary that found itself muscled into a shared stadium lease he didn't want with a partner he doesn't like.

MarkHaversham · PostJul 21, 2021#44622021-07-21T17:59+00:00

KansasCitian wrote: ↑
Jul 20, 2021
Why does this city foster so many homegrown super-villains? Bidwell, Kroenke, Neidorff, and I'm sure there have been others.

All multi-millionaires are villains.

dweebe · PostJul 21, 2021#44632021-07-21T18:22+00:00

To give some background for those that don't remember back in 2001 or 2002 the Irsay family made a point to park their Colts labeled private plane VERY publicly for entire week or so at one of the big private airports in Los Angeles. They weren't at the new stadium talk yet, but they were shaking the city of Indianapolis down for more cash payments. But they did this right before a meeting and like I said, parked the plane along a busy road for everyone to see.

DTGstl314 · PostJul 22, 2021#44642021-07-22T04:55+00:00

gone corporate wrote: ↑
Jun 14, 2021
^Two big questions regarding damages:
1. Will the courts allow for the monies paid to the other NFL franchises resulting from the relocated NFL franchises being allowed to move operations to be recognized as calculated damages for the plaintiffs? The MO Court of Appeals certainly believes so, which is why they enjoined all 31 other NFL franchises besides the Rams into this case as co-defendants. That's what elevates this case to $1BB+ in damages.
2. Could the courts award punitive damages to the plaintiffs? This is a case involving contract law over real property and involves 4 charges of fraud against the defendants. If so, sky's the limit here. I was checking on MO statutes for punitive damages and saw that, in 2014, the courts removed a cap on punitive damages (that was a ruling where the former cap of 5x damages was removed).

Meanwhile, the plaintiffs have repeatedly stated that they do not intend to settle, that they want a judgment. This is getting exciting.

If it's a massive judgment (more than $1B), it's going to get dragged through an appeals process that will last many, many years. If the judgment is in the $1B territory and the defendants are prepared to write a check for $500M right away to make it all go away, STL should take the money and run. If it gets dragged through a lengthy appeals process, we won't see a dime before 2030.

PostJul 22, 2021#44652021-07-22T05:00+00:00

shadrach wrote: ↑
Jul 11, 2021
Favored status? No.

I’ll take an NFL team as part of the settlement (on top of a huge pile of cash and a public apology) if:

1. No expansion fee, ownership group. The NFL give us a team.

2. The metro area owns the team like Green Bay. It’ll never move.

3. We get to use the dome. No new stadium. If the NFL demands a new stadium, the NFL builds us a new stadium.

Otherwise stay away from the NFL.

In other words, you're hoping we get a really big check. The odds of any of the things on that list actually happening are probably a fraction of the odds that you'll win Powerball next week.

PostJul 22, 2021#44662021-07-22T05:09+00:00

dweebe wrote: ↑
Jul 12, 2021

Completely random tangential OT fact:

This actress, full name Kate Rooney Mara, is the great-granddaughter of two NFL team founders: New York Giants founder Tim Mara, and Pittsburgh Steelers founder Art Rooney, Sr.

Both teams are still owned by her mother's and father's families, and she has a clause written into any movie/TV contract that she signs that guarantees her time off to travel to the Super Bowl in the event that either the Giants or the Steelers are playing in it.

PostJul 22, 2021#44672021-07-22T05:23+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Jul 13, 2021
There won’t be an “undisclosed sum”, the 3 gov entities have to disclose it, weather willfully or via sunshine request later on

There won’t be a expansion team. There is no support for that whatsoever because it would still need public $ for a new stadium and there is zero interest in that, none whatsoever from Jones or Page or any other local gov official unless you think St.Charles will pony up $500,000,000 to bring an NFL team here and considering how the right hates all sports now don’t bank on it

I don't think it's realistic to build an NFL stadium for only $500M anymore. Pretty tough to stay under a billion at this point... the last new NFL stadium to be built for under $1B was Lucas Oil Stadium, which still cost $720M. And that was opened 13 years ago. All seven NFL stadiums built since then topped $1B each.

dredger · PostJul 22, 2021#44682021-07-22T05:45+00:00

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑
Jul 22, 2021
gone corporate wrote: ↑
Jun 14, 2021
^Two big questions regarding damages:
1. Will the courts allow for the monies paid to the other NFL franchises resulting from the relocated NFL franchises being allowed to move operations to be recognized as calculated damages for the plaintiffs? The MO Court of Appeals certainly believes so, which is why they enjoined all 31 other NFL franchises besides the Rams into this case as co-defendants. That's what elevates this case to $1BB+ in damages.
2. Could the courts award punitive damages to the plaintiffs? This is a case involving contract law over real property and involves 4 charges of fraud against the defendants. If so, sky's the limit here. I was checking on MO statutes for punitive damages and saw that, in 2014, the courts removed a cap on punitive damages (that was a ruling where the former cap of 5x damages was removed).

Meanwhile, the plaintiffs have repeatedly stated that they do not intend to settle, that they want a judgment. This is getting exciting.
If it's a massive judgment (more than $1B), it's going to get dragged through an appeals process that will last many, many years. If the judgment is in the $1B territory and the defendants are prepared to write a check for $500M right away to make it all go away, STL should take the money and run. If it gets dragged through a lengthy appeals process, we won't see a dime before 2030.

Heck, take $250 million settlement and run IMO.

Already got my plan. $100 million to pay off the remaining debt on the dome and any left over towards improving the space between the convention & dome itself, Set aside $50 million for city improving city infrastructure & parks/public sport fields (specifically $25 million rebuild raised section of freeway into blvd as part of urban renewal program and $25 million to repave street/replace sidewalks/parks), $50 million for county communities infrastructure and parks/public sprt filelds, and the remaining $50 million for city and county affordable housing...,

What wouldn't surprise me is that their will be regional leadership calling for sports commission to spend part of/or big part of any settlement going towards a new XFL football stadium in the county with the argument that the city has benefitted from having all the pro sport teams over the years.

dbInSouthCity · PostJul 22, 2021#44692021-07-22T13:52+00:00

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑
Jul 22, 2021
dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Jul 13, 2021
There won’t be an “undisclosed sum”, the 3 gov entities have to disclose it, weather willfully or via sunshine request later on

There won’t be a expansion team. There is no support for that whatsoever because it would still need public $ for a new stadium and there is zero interest in that, none whatsoever from Jones or Page or any other local gov official unless you think St.Charles will pony up $500,000,000 to bring an NFL team here and considering how the right hates all sports now don’t bank on it
I don't think it's realistic to build an NFL stadium for only $500M anymore. Pretty tough to stay under a billion at this point... the last new NFL stadium to be built for under $1B was Lucas Oil Stadium, which still cost $720M. And that was opened 13 years ago. All seven NFL stadiums built since then topped $1B each.

I meant SCC contributing $500m alone to whatever the total cost is

gone corporate · PostJul 22, 2021#44702021-07-22T18:08+00:00

^^^DTGstl314: Don't forget there's actually two of them:
Left side: Rooney Mara (from The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo)
Right side: Kate Mara (from The Martian)

DTGstl314 · PostJul 23, 2021#44712021-07-23T06:06+00:00

gone corporate wrote: ↑
Jul 22, 2021
^^^DTGstl314: Don't forget there's actually two of them:
Left side: Rooney Mara (from The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo)
Right side: Kate Mara (from The Martian)

Rooney Mara is actually Patricia Rooney Mara, but she goes by Rooney. Both she and her sister have the same middle name, "Rooney".

gone corporate · PostJul 23, 2021#44722021-07-23T18:05+00:00

moorlander · PostJul 27, 2021#44732021-07-27T03:12+00:00

Team StL had 10 days to submit more evidence. (Looks at calendar)

Suburban Sprawl · PostAug 01, 2021#44742021-08-01T18:30+00:00

Report: Austin is a possible destination, real or threatened, for Bills

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... for-bills/

The balls on these teams.

jshank83 · PostAug 01, 2021#44752021-08-01T19:25+00:00

Suburban Sprawl wrote: ↑
Aug 01, 2021
Report: Austin is a possible destination, real or threatened, for Bills

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... for-bills/

The balls on these teams.

They need to pick a better city than Austin to threaten with unless they are going to pay off Jerry somehow.

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