I am I the only one that thinks mass working from home will be bad for society. like I cant see how cities will recover if every body works at home. It will kill off a lot of other jobs also like construction, janitors and building maintenance.
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I think you'll see about 80-85% return to office when this is over but that 15-20% is still like 12,000 less people in downtown STL on any given day, if 20% of that spend $20 a day at downtown for food/drinks thats $250,000 less in revenue for each 5 day weekThatguy644 wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020I am I the only one that thinks mass working from home will be bad for society. like I cant see how cities will recover if every body works at home. It will kill off a lot of other jobs also like construction, janitors and building maintenance.
...or maybe it will induce people to move to smaller cities, which in turn will be good for jobs/businesses in those areas.Thatguy644 wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020I am I the only one that thinks mass working from home will be bad for society. like I cant see how cities will recover if every body works at home. It will kill off a lot of other jobs also like construction, janitors and building maintenance.
Yes, I can see that but for a very small group of employees who are well payed and considered vital because at the end of the day you start accommodating to specific individuals needs of a workforce that can be anywhere and everywhere at that point. You might save some money on the rent check but your turning around to only spend more on IT and companies such as zoom and webex which charge their own versions per customer and accounts.kipfilet wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020...or maybe it will induce people to move to smaller cities, which in turn will be good for jobs/businesses in those areas.Thatguy644 wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020I am I the only one that thinks mass working from home will be bad for society. like I cant see how cities will recover if every body works at home. It will kill off a lot of other jobs also like construction, janitors and building maintenance.
Not too mention, individual work schedules which only more obvious with employees who are not in the office from my perspective of working in the office but a good chunk of our admin is working from home.
On the other hand if we continue to build on downtown’s residential strengths, people working from home could stay downtown and support businesses for bf/lunch and run errands locally with overall lower reliance on gas, driving and office parking.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020I think you'll see about 80-85% return to office when this is over but that 15-20% is still like 12,000 less people in downtown STL on any given day, if 20% of that spend $20 a day at downtown for food/drinks thats $250,000 less in revenue for each 5 day weekThatguy644 wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020I am I the only one that thinks mass working from home will be bad for society. like I cant see how cities will recover if every body works at home. It will kill off a lot of other jobs also like construction, janitors and building maintenance.
Agree. Residential with WFM offices will be a wave Downtown could/should capitalize on. It's actually a much better model for building vibrancy past 5 pm.imran wrote: ↑Nov 21, 2020On the other hand if we continue to build on downtown’s residential strengths, people working from home could stay downtown and support businesses for bf/lunch and run errands locally with overall lower reliance on gas, driving and office parking.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020I think you'll see about 80-85% return to office when this is over but that 15-20% is still like 12,000 less people in downtown STL on any given day, if 20% of that spend $20 a day at downtown for food/drinks thats $250,000 less in revenue for each 5 day weekThatguy644 wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020I am I the only one that thinks mass working from home will be bad for society. like I cant see how cities will recover if every body works at home. It will kill off a lot of other jobs also like construction, janitors and building maintenance.
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I eat breakfast at downtown restaurants pretty much daily during the work week, i dont see that being the norm. I think most people eat at home when WFH. Residential growth will off set some of the office loses but it took downtown 10 years to add 12,000 residents and its going to probably lose 12,000 workers in a year.imran wrote: ↑Nov 21, 2020On the other hand if we continue to build on downtown’s residential strengths, people working from home could stay downtown and support businesses for bf/lunch and run errands locally with overall lower reliance on gas, driving and office parking.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020I think you'll see about 80-85% return to office when this is over but that 15-20% is still like 12,000 less people in downtown STL on any given day, if 20% of that spend $20 a day at downtown for food/drinks thats $250,000 less in revenue for each 5 day weekThatguy644 wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2020I am I the only one that thinks mass working from home will be bad for society. like I cant see how cities will recover if every body works at home. It will kill off a lot of other jobs also like construction, janitors and building maintenance.
I spoke with someone yesterday for a book she is writing on cities post covid, she wanted to hear prospective from STL and she mentioned that she had a call with a commercial real estate agent from NYC next, i told her to let me know what he says about where someone in the commercial real estate field sees things going
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Isn't the hardest thing to judge at this point is what the aftermath of 2020 in both Covid and the overall unrest will bring to the idea of where we live and work? It would be hard to picture it not being as significant as 1968 in that question and could be even more significant a turning point year. It could go in so many different ways due to how society has changed and also there may be nasty social effects that are a result of Covid that could linger for decades.
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Any chance that if COVID drags out that companies build/lease more office square footage but make the offices themselves less 'dense' in terms of employee square footage? It's overall more expensive and less efficient, but you do get the benefit that you're able to keep all of your employees 'in-house' while working, thus giving them full access to amenities/resources that perhaps aren't available via WFH (or at least less conveniently available) and you still get whatever benefits you entail from having everyone working together in person in terms of collaboration, etc. without all of the negative effects that a crowded work environment can bring.
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Companies are definitely going to reduce space. They’ve made huge investments in boosting their server/VPN capabilities and now the infrastructure for whole sale WFM is in place they’ll recoup some of that investment by downsizing physical space. You’ll see companies basically have their own co-working space if you will, employees can come and go with no assigned spot and it will be 30-50% less SF then their current lease. I can also see offices with 50-100 employees completely getting rid of their office space and giving their employees a WeWork membershipTrololzilla wrote: ↑Nov 22, 2020Any chance that if COVID drags out that companies build/lease more office square footage but make the offices themselves less 'dense' in terms of employee square footage? It's overall more expensive and less efficient, but you do get the benefit that you're able to keep all of your employees 'in-house' while working, thus giving them full access to amenities/resources that perhaps aren't available via WFH (or at least less conveniently available) and you still get whatever benefits you entail from having everyone working together in person in terms of collaboration, etc. without all of the negative effects that a crowded work environment can bring.
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Storefront at 1221 Washington has an electronics store moving in. Also saw some people poking around inside the old Wasabi Sushi spot across the street (1228) for the first time in several years so take that how you will.
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aka cell phone repair storeGoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Nov 23, 2020Storefront at 1221 Washington has an electronics store moving in. Also saw some people poking around inside the old Wasabi Sushi spot across the street (1228) for the first time in several years so take that how you will.
Anyone know what’s going on here? It’s under 64 in the back of union station, the old movie theater that was there just got demolished over the summer
A very fat T shaped outline has been poured
A very fat T shaped outline has been poured
^which is kind of interesting because a movie theater probably would fit in with that is going on down there now. But I have no clue what kind of shape was is in.
I thought I saw it mentioned somewhere else on here what it is going to be.
I thought I saw it mentioned somewhere else on here what it is going to be.
When Build-a-Bear announced they were moving their HQ downtown they also announced they were going to open a big store somewhere in the Union Station area. Any chance this could be that? Seems odd to slip it under the highway tho...
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They have a store already in the bottom of that building. Granted it isn’t that great of a store though.
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Could be a parking lot with a space where they can put a train car for fun.
It's going to be a parking lot, just not sure for whom, or who owns it.jshank83 wrote: ↑Nov 26, 2020^which is kind of interesting because a movie theater probably would fit in with that is going on down there now. But I have no clue what kind of shape was is in.
I thought I saw it mentioned somewhere else on here what it is going to be.
According to the property database, the LRA now owns 401 S. 18th Street (the Power House office building and movie theater). Or perhaps the LRA took possession of only the theater building/parking lot parcel, and property records just don't reflect the parcel division yet? The Union Station permit records also show an October permit for new parking lot gates for a "Horner & Shifrin expansion". Horner & Shifrin's office is in the Power House Building, so...either way, I'd guess the new parking lot has something to do with their expansion.
Showing all 6 permits for this address (401 S. 18th St.) made in 2020:
| Owner Name | Permit Type | Application Date | Completion Date | Issued Date | New Use | Estimated Costs | Description |
| LRA | 10/14/2020 | 10/14/2020 | ST | $98,000.00 | Union Station Theater Parking Lot | ||
| LRA | Electrical | 09/23/2020 | 09/24/2020 | ST | $1,900.00 | Parking Gate | |
| 401 SOUTH 18TH STREET LLC | Building | 08/12/2020 | 09/25/2020 | PARKING LOT | $300,000.00 | CONSTRUCT PARKING LOT PER PLANS | |
| 401 SOUTH 18TH STREET LLC | Building | 08/06/2020 | 08/17/2020 | OFFICE SPACE | $54,474.00 | INT. ALTS. PER PLANS (SUITE 400) PER PLANS | |
| 401 SOUTH 18TH STREET LLC | Demolition | 03/26/2020 | 03/26/2020 | $76,800.00 | |||
| 401 SOUTH 18TH STREET LLC | Building | 02/04/2020 | RETAIL/OFFICE | $40,000.00 | INSTALL (1)ILLUM GROUND SIGN/(2) NON-ILLUM WALL SIGNS PR PLN |
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Missouri Bar and Mango (Peruvian) are closing. Don’t really care about MoBar but it’s sucks that mango is closing, it is very good
Yes a real shame. Mango was one of our work lunch favorites.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Dec 01, 2020Missouri Bar and Mango (Peruvian) are closing. Don’t really care about MoBar but it’s sucks that mango is closing, it is very good
Wait . . . Missouri Bar and Grill is closing? That place is a legend! A Downtown institution! Say it ain't so!
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isnt it closing for the 2nd time in a few years now?framer wrote: ↑Dec 01, 2020Wait . . . Missouri Bar and Grill is closing? That place is a legend! A Downtown institution! Say it ain't so!
Possibly. I haven't been there since a fundraiser a few years ago. I know it's lost a bit of it's "shine", if you will, but still, it's one of those legandary haunts that every downtown needs.
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Yeah we're down to Hair of the Dog as the hole in the wall downtown place.