613
Senior MemberSenior Member
613

PostSep 21, 2020#2626

Spent several hours biking DT yesterday with my wife and our girls.  Hit the Central Library, Soldiers Memorial, City Garden, Ballpark Village and road up Wash Ave.  Overall, given the current environment, I thought things looked pretty good and there was a fair amount of other people and families exploring like ourselves.  It's a far cry from the wild west portrayed by the local media and I'm glad to see the traffic mitigation working.  I think Ballpark Village will be a huge draw once things normalize.  The outdoor areas are great. 

Wash Ave has seen better days, but I think a lot of that is all the retail gaps.  I'd like to see them restore Wash  street coming out of this and add more bike lanes like the one down Chestnut.

3,235
Life MemberLife Member
3,235

PostSep 21, 2020#2627

The Wild Wild West stuff doesn’t occur until after 9pm. Downtown is very enjoyable otherwise.

9,566
Life MemberLife Member
9,566

PostSep 21, 2020#2628

robertn42 wrote:
Sep 21, 2020
Spent several hours biking DT yesterday with my wife and our girls.  Hit the Central Library, Soldiers Memorial, City Garden, Ballpark Village and road up Wash Ave.  Overall, given the current environment, I thought things looked pretty good and there was a fair amount of other people and families exploring like ourselves.  It's a far cry from the wild west portrayed by the local media and I'm glad to see the traffic mitigation working.  I think Ballpark Village will be a huge draw once things normalize.  The outdoor areas are great. 

Wash Ave has seen better days, but I think a lot of that is all the retail gaps.  I'd like to see them restore Wash  street coming out of this and add more bike lanes like the one down Chestnut.
You can’t get a table at rooster or Chris’ or blondies from 10am to 3pm on the weekend and that’s in today’s covid environment.  

Sometime last fall/winter I posted here about all the empty store fronts on wash Ave, since a few have been taken with mostly clothing businesses and a few more are in build out phase.  

The hyperbole about people doing donuts on empty lots and what’s actually happening is night and day

Meanwhile.. https://www.kmov.com/news/videos-show-f ... 11b31.html

3,762
Life MemberLife Member
3,762

PostSep 21, 2020#2629

^ hyperbole in what sense? that it's happening 24/7? it's actually happening. there's plenty of video evidence. not to mention the skid marks.

9,566
Life MemberLife Member
9,566

PostSep 21, 2020#2630

urban_dilettante wrote:
Sep 21, 2020
^ hyperbole in what sense? that it's happening 24/7? it's actually happening. there's plenty of video evidence. not to mention the skid marks.
Are people doing donuts in a parking lots between 11pm and 2am 3 days a week?  Yeah.   Is a war zone? (Pretty sure I’m the only one in this thread and any thread that’s lived and escaped out of one) and based on that experience- it is not

Parking lot owner cheating the city out of permit fees does more damage to the city then a few skid marks

3,762
Life MemberLife Member
3,762

PostSep 22, 2020#2631

^ well, it's more than just parking lot donuts from 11 to 2am 3 days a week and a few skid marks, as you well know. so while i'm not condoning whatever signage infractions what's-his-face might be committing, it's disingenuous (you might even say hyperbolic) to suggest that is doing more damage to the city than the ongoing spate of reckless driving and shooting of assault weapons into the air. and yes, "war zone" is hyperbole, but I don't think downtown residents and businesses should have to settle for "not quite a literal war zone and only a few nights a week" either.

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostSep 22, 2020#2632

This on-going behavior is causing irreparable harm to Downtown's already shaky reputation. That's proving to be more damaging than anything else I could imagine. 

13K
Life MemberLife Member
13K

PostOct 04, 2020#2633

Last day to submit feedback on DT plan.
https://downtownstl.org/design-downtown-stl/

9,566
Life MemberLife Member
9,566

PostOct 07, 2020#2634

Former Star Clipper space is now a beauty shop and open. Go get yourself a wig.

3,762
Life MemberLife Member
3,762

PostOct 07, 2020#2635

^ when did Star Clipper close? i understand rent was cheaper but otherwise that move didn't make sense.

9,566
Life MemberLife Member
9,566

PostOct 07, 2020#2636

urban_dilettante wrote:
Oct 07, 2020
^ when did Star Clipper close? i understand rent was cheaper but otherwise that move didn't make sense.
Pre covid. They moved to Fairview heights?

PostOct 07, 2020#2637

Last month or maybe August I mentioned there is a 3rd group with plans for downtown stl inc

Here they are. https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... erger.html

805
Super MemberSuper Member
805

PostOct 08, 2020#2638

dbInSouthCity wrote:Last month or maybe August I mentioned there is a 3rd group with plans for downtown stl inc

Here they are. https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... erger.html
It’s paywalled, but is this suggesting that neighborhoods all across the city would merge?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

3,762
Life MemberLife Member
3,762

PostOct 08, 2020#2639

^ i don't have a subscription but it's letting me see the article for some reason...
St. Louis’ scattering of private-sector economic development groups are weighing a merger under one banner, according to people familiar with the matter, with completion targeted by the end of the year. 
The move would signify a remarkable shift in the region’s civic landscape, long fractured in a way that’s not comparable with its peers. 
Under the plan, being shepherded by Jason Hall, a longtime state and chamber of commerce executive who now leads a civic-booster firm, the following organizations would merge: 
  • St. Louis Regional Chamber, the region’s chamber of commerce 
  • AllianceSTL, the chamber's economic development affiliate 
  • Civic Progress, the organization made up of the heads of the region’s largest companies and institutions 
  • Downtown STL Inc., a nonprofit focused on bettering downtown St. Louis 
  • Arch to Park, the investment firm led by Hall that has worked to analyze and coordinate development in the city's central corridor 
The organizations' boards still must OK such a move.
Representatives of the organizations referred questions to a spokeswoman, Laurna Godwin, who released a statement saying they are "constantly examining ways in which we can more effectively collaborate to attract new businesses and thus new jobs to the region and help existing businesses and startups thrive."
"For the past several months, AllianceSTL, Arch to Park, Civic Progress, Downtown STL Inc., and the St. Louis Regional Chamber have all been located in the same building," One Metropolitan Square downtown, the statement continued. "That has allowed us to work more seamlessly. As a natural next step, we are exploring best-in-class models in other regions as we consider what a more consolidated economic development organization might look like. We are excited by the potential for even greater collaboration to serve St. Louis."

Not to be included in the merger are St. Louis Development Corp. and the St. Louis Economic Development Partnership, economic development organizations primarily funded by the city of St. Louis and St. Louis County, the people said.
The Regional Business Council, a consortium of presidents and CEOs from 100 of the region’s largest companies, would also not be included. 
The sheer number of civic organizations in the region — along with the region’s disappointing growth — have long drawn attention. 
The Business Journal in 2018 showed that St. Louis pays more for the services provided by those organizations than in its peer cities. Kansas City, Denver and Nashville spent less, often because the functions are consolidated in fewer organizations, while often performing better than St. Louis in past decades. 
In 2019, Bob Clark, CEO of construction firm Clayco and a frequent commentator in media, called for the consolidation of St. Louis’ economic development agencies, saying “they don’t work.” 
"I don't know why we have more than one," Clark said of the region's various economic development agencies. "It can't just stand the way it is ... we have to blow up the economic development agencies."
Time and again, though, some of the heads of those organizations defended the arrangement and their work, saying each had a different “geography,” “role” and “objective.”
But 2020 has brought new challenges. 
The chamber, which has posted a deficit for six years in a row, laid off staffers. Then, in June, CEO Tom Chulick said he would step down at the end of the year. A person familiar with the matter said the organization has done no work with a search committee to find a replacement.
Also this year, Downtown STL, under pressure from disaffected property owners, said it would end its financial relationship with downtown’s taxing district, making unclear where the nonprofit would get future funding. It has long performed — and been reimbursed for — services requested by the taxing district, which collects about $3.6 million a year in assessments, or extra property taxes. Long-term existence of the district, called the Downtown St. Louis Community Improvement District, is also in question, as it fights a renewal campaign this year. It is set to expire at the end of 2021. 

In addition, the region’s largest public company, Centene Corp., has withdrawn from Civic Progress, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, a revelation that came after Centene CEO Michael Neidorff laid into civic leadership here in an interview with the Business Journal, saying the health care giant chose to add an East Coast headquarters in Charlotte, North Carolina — and not expand further here — in part because of St. Louis’ problems.

3,968
Life MemberLife Member
3,968

PostOct 08, 2020#2640

Happy to see some merging. There were too many.

466
Full MemberFull Member
466

PostOct 08, 2020#2641

Sounds promising.  Tighter focus will lead to results.  Bob Clark said it best.  Let's hope the group truly pursues "best practices".  Centene's pullout from Ballpark Village 12 years ago and now scaling back in Clayton should be the headline story in a paper filled with stories about missed opportunity within our region.  I suspect Centene taking one foot out of the pool is helping push our fragmented leadership to blow it up and try to get it right.  This could be a turning point for all of STL, not just a DT centric CID.

sc4mayor
sc4mayor

PostOct 08, 2020#2642

This is actually pretty big...should it succeed. Now get the city back inside the county.

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostOct 08, 2020#2643

Every bit of consolidation helps.  

sc4mayor
sc4mayor

PostOct 08, 2020#2644

US Bank will close its downtown branch in the historic Mercantile Trust building.  This will not affect any of the operations in their corporate offices at US Bank Plaza next door, it's just part of a nationwide string of branch closings.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 0#cxrecs_s

Would love to see a developer pick it up and do something cool with it.  Here is the Built St. Louis page:
http://www.builtstlouis.net/opos/oldmercantile.html

9,566
Life MemberLife Member
9,566

PostOct 08, 2020#2645

Sometime in June someone posted here and claimed they were in the know said Culinaria was going to close.....2 weeks ago Culinaria started their remodeling work- they've added 6 self check outs, removed the coffee bar and started installing new flooring.  the entire parking in front of the building is taken up by construction containers 

1,213
Expert MemberExpert Member
1,213

PostOct 08, 2020#2646

Started going back to the office on a limited basis this week. Downtown is pretty empty overall, but was glad to see that the restaurants on Washington were quite busy. 

9,566
Life MemberLife Member
9,566

PostOct 08, 2020#2647

kipfilet wrote:
Oct 08, 2020
Started going back to the office on a limited basis this week. Downtown is pretty empty overall, but was glad to see that the restaurants on Washington were quite busy. 
I’d say 85% of office workers are still MIA. The weekends are very active and busy still even without sporting events

492
Full MemberFull Member
492

PostOct 09, 2020#2648

A single anecdote, but my office of 60ish people hasn't be in our downtown office since mid-March.  All WFH.  Jan. 1 is the tentative return-to-office date.

9,566
Life MemberLife Member
9,566

PostOct 09, 2020#2649

1901 Washington (formerly Las Palmas Mexican restaurant) is now a veterans focused urgent care.

7,810
Life MemberLife Member
7,810

PostOct 09, 2020#2650

dbInSouthCity wrote:
Oct 08, 2020
Sometime in June someone posted here and claimed they were in the know said Culinaria was going to close.....2 weeks ago Culinaria started their remodeling work- they've added 6 self check outs, removed the coffee bar and started installing new flooring.  the entire parking in front of the building is taken up by construction containers 
Sadly they took down the murals. Probably going to make it the boring "flat" look their stores are going to.

Read more posts (5304 remaining)