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PostSep 13, 2020#2576

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There is no point of a FBC downtown.
Really?  Didn't townhouses almost get built at the corner of locust and 10th?   ...Which, BTW, nothing ever got built there, right?  Haven't been down there recently but Google street view from June 2019 shows:
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PostSep 13, 2020#2577

OnTheEdge wrote:
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dbInSouthCity wrote:
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There is no point of a FBC downtown.
Really?  Didn't townhouses almost get built at the corner of locust and 10th?   ...Which, BTW, nothing ever got built there, right?  Haven't been down there recently but Google street view from June 2019 shows:LocustAnd10th.PNG
There was never a serious proposal, mostly just a ruse to get a demo permit

Building anything new other than high rise buildings from the river to Tucker in downtown would look dumb. With that established, there is no point of having a FBC there. What would it do?

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PostSep 13, 2020#2578

Agreed. Demolition requests can always be appealed to the BoA to get approval too. What St. Louis really needs is unfortunately a long term solution - generating demand. Until that happens, there just isn’t enough financial incentive for decliners to do anything other than land bank and look at short term cash ROI such as parking.

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PostSep 14, 2020#2579

A friend got caught up in a group of 4 wheelers and motorcycles doing tricks on Market by the Post Office and Stifel around 4pm today. She said it must have been 40 vehicles and her blurry TikTok video looks about right. Screaming and cursing at her to get off the street: it was theirs.

Then she said they barricaded with their bikes plus a few cars at 14th/Market and started doing stunts.

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PostSep 14, 2020#2580

MX Movies was awesome. Hope it returns but I am skeptical.

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PostSep 14, 2020#2581

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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quincunx wrote:
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Any study worth anything will say "develop a form-base code." Duh.
So don't do the study and use the money to develop a form-based code. We desperately need the FBC, not another study.
There is no point of a FBC downtown.
A form-based code is a lot more than just how many stories you want built somewhere. On Euclid for eg it requires that buildings higher than 6 floors have a set back to allow more light into the ‘canyon’. More importantly, you can stipulate against things like surface parking lots, curb cuts and garage entrances off main streets. You can program for a higher quality pedestrian experience by requiring glass storefronts instead of blank brick walls.

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PostSep 14, 2020#2583

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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OnTheEdge wrote:
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dbInSouthCity wrote:
Sep 13, 2020
There is no point of a FBC downtown.
Really?  Didn't townhouses almost get built at the corner of locust and 10th?   ...Which, BTW, nothing ever got built there, right?  Haven't been down there recently but Google street view from June 2019 shows:LocustAnd10th.PNG
There was never a serious proposal, mostly just a ruse to get a demo permit
Well, glad to see corruption issues in city government are on the mend.  🙄

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PostSep 14, 2020#2584

^ corruption is the life-blood of STL city government. well, that and incompetence.

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PostSep 14, 2020#2585

....the developer proposed the townhouses and bailed...not sure how anyone can fault the city. 

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PostSep 14, 2020#2586

^ right. in that case just incompetence because our ordinaces allows bullsh*t like that to happen left and right, along with officials more than happy to look the other way and/or apologize every time it happens.

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PostSep 14, 2020#2587

I hope the city or property owner can find something or another for that lot. Obviously I would prefer something be built, but since I doubt that is happening anytime soon it would be nice to see it turned into something.
Free ideas
  • Mini Dog Park
  • Food Truck pad with outdoor seating
  • Mural wall for the instagram influencers
  • Space for a popup bar in the summer
  • Shipping container retail

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PostSep 15, 2020#2588

We love MX Movies.  But it makes sense.  Most movie theaters across the country are stopping right now.
They will return.

PostSep 15, 2020#2589

Yep - smelled it driving into the city on Illinois side - from Collinsville to Downtown last night.  I almost started choking in the car - no lie - and had to open the windows to breathe even with the AC on.  

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PostSep 15, 2020#2590

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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leeharveyawesome wrote:
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dbInSouthCity wrote:
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New men’s clothing store at one of the 1307 Washington retail spaces.  Suits, ties, shoes, shirts.

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Hey look who’s back after a month, you must really miss getting dragged by me.  Welcome back
Thank you for the warm welcome upon my return from a carefree few weeks in delightful and well-mannered Europe. It's good to be back home in this (formerly) great European-style city I call home.

As always, thanks for allowing me to post on your blog.

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PostSep 15, 2020#2591

dbInSouthCity wrote:....the developer proposed the townhouses and bailed...not sure how anyone can fault the city. 
Make the demo permit subject to plans and financing being secured. Did the city put those stipulations in the permit?

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PostSep 15, 2020#2592

downtown2007 wrote:
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dbInSouthCity wrote:....the developer proposed the townhouses and bailed...not sure how anyone can fault the city. 
Make the demo permit subject to plans and financing being secured. Did the city put those stipulations in the permit?
I dont think the City permitting office can do that, especially for permits that do not require any review or hearing.  If the permit does require a hearing like Pres Board or Board of Adjustment, they can add conditions to the permit

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PostSep 15, 2020#2593

I asked Coatar about 923 a year and a half ago.
I've got an email into the head of TWG Development asking about their plans for the corner lot.  They were originally planning town homes on the site but met considerable resistance from Downtown residents.  The demolition of the corner building was approved because the building was in terrible shape structurally and the new town homes would have been a welcome addition.  In retrospect, the demolition should have been conditioned on actually redeveloping the lot.

I will let you know when I get a reply from TWG.  I can say pretty confidently, they're not going to get approval to turn that lot into surface parking.  We already have too much of that in the downtown CBD.  This space, at very least, needs to be green space until a suitable development plan emerges.
Yes, in retrospect.  Make it the new normal.  Shocking, though, once again.

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PostSep 15, 2020#2594

Stltoday- St. Louis plan envisions a greener, busier, more walkable downtown

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 1a799.html

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PostSep 16, 2020#2595

plans!

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PostSep 16, 2020#2596

More plans

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PostSep 16, 2020#2597

Plans within plans

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PostSep 16, 2020#2598

So many plans within plans you'll freak 

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PostSep 16, 2020#2599

I'd like to take this plan, sit down with a nice cup of coffee and STUDY it.

And give more feedback on this plan that is ignored.

I get this CID has been a source of debate.  They're talking about spinning into two branches now, right? One focused on business development and one on safety? Why is it so hard to just multi-task? Any downtowners have insight as to how to even take these studies seriously if their CID is possibly going to be gone?

I feel like this is 10 years late, but a step in the right direction.  Or is it just DSI trying to get a lifeline?

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PostSep 16, 2020#2600

Not really splitting the CID as much as a break up between the CID and the org that operates it. But downtown is headed towards no CID if the current CID isn’t successful at getting the signatures it needs because the other group (mentioned above that downtown2007 is part of) won’t get enough signatures. So after dec 2021 there won’t be a cid

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