^Agree. Owners want money. I am going to guess they will take any gate they can get. They might have to share it with teams that can't have fans but they will make every cent they can.
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Timely story in the Post today about the Cardinals working with the City on a possibility of up to 10,000 fans in the stands at some point.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020^Agree. Owners want money. I am going to guess they will take any gate they can get. They might have to share it with teams that can't have fans but they will make every cent they can.
300,000 fans instead of 3,000,000. I guess 1/10 of expected revenue is better than zero. They'll have to spread the crowd through the entire ballpark to make it work. That means season ticket holders will be moved around. I could see field box holders moving up to loge and loge into the upper deck. Wouldn't that lower per game ticket costs for those affected? How many season ticket holders are there? Definitely more than 10K. Will they use seniority to decide who stays and who is left out? I could see the pursuit of short term $ causing serious damage. Almost think it would be better to scratch all season tickets and make all seats available on a first-come first-served basis. At least the playing field would be level for all season ticket holders.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020Timely story in the Post today about the Cardinals working with the City on a possibility of up to 10,000 fans in the stands at some point.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020^Agree. Owners want money. I am going to guess they will take any gate they can get. They might have to share it with teams that can't have fans but they will make every cent they can.
Based on supply and demand I would guess it wouldn't lower it much (if the cardinals wanted to push it). If you don't want tickets at X price then someone else will.
You're assuming 10,000 fans for all 30 home games. You're also assuming there will actually be 30 home games.STLinCHI wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020300,000 fans instead of 3,000,000. I guess 1/10 of expected revenue is better than zero. They'll have to spread the crowd through the entire ballpark to make it work. That means season ticket holders will be moved around. I could see field box holders moving up to loge and loge into the upper deck. Wouldn't that lower per game ticket costs for those affected? How many season ticket holders are there? Definitely more than 10K. Will they use seniority to decide who stays and who is left out? I could see the pursuit of short term $ causing serious damage. Almost think it would be better to scratch all season tickets and make all seats available on a first-come first-served basis. At least the playing field would be level for all season ticket holders.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020Timely story in the Post today about the Cardinals working with the City on a possibility of up to 10,000 fans in the stands at some point.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020^Agree. Owners want money. I am going to guess they will take any gate they can get. They might have to share it with teams that can't have fans but they will make every cent they can.
I'll be shocked if they make it to September without cancelling the season with the skyrocketing quantity of new cases everyday.
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Jordan Hicks is opting out this season citing his type one diabetes
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With cases increasing rapidly amongst MLB teams (especially Miami, yeesh) and pretty much nobody following the mask or social distancing guidelines MLB set for games, I'm getting the distinct feeling that this "season" might not last for much longer.
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Baseball’s Stadium Workers Are Getting Peanuts From the Billionaire Owners” [The Nation]. “She is one of the roughly 24,000 food service workers who sell beer, peanuts, and hot dogs and staff the luxury suites at the 30 MLB stadiums throughout the country. When baseball shut down in March, these workers—along with another approximately 15,000 workers who help park cars, clean the stadiums, sell caps and T-shirts, show fans to their seats, and provide security—lost their jobs. Many of those who were lucky enough to have health insurance—and many did not—lost that as well. Major league players are playing again and being paid a pro-rated salary, but the stadium workers have been left in the lurch. Fans have been banned from stadiums, so there will be no need for most of the workers who normally staff the games. ‘I’m in serious debt,’ Walker explained. ‘My bills are piling up. I ran out of my medicine for diabetes and a heart problem.'” • The clock is ticking…
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The latest round of coronavirus tests from the St. Louis Cardinals are, in the words of someone with the team, "not good." There are expected to be multiple new positives, sources tell ESPN. Cardinals took more tests this morning, and results of those should arrive by tonight.
So... 300,000 fans at the ballpark for the season is clearly not going to be happening in St. Louis this year. I'm not sure if 3,000 fans will even get into the stadium this year. I'll be surprised is the season is still happening beyond Labor Day.STLinCHI wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020300,000 fans instead of 3,000,000. I guess 1/10 of expected revenue is better than zero. They'll have to spread the crowd through the entire ballpark to make it work. That means season ticket holders will be moved around. I could see field box holders moving up to loge and loge into the upper deck. Wouldn't that lower per game ticket costs for those affected? How many season ticket holders are there? Definitely more than 10K. Will they use seniority to decide who stays and who is left out? I could see the pursuit of short term $ causing serious damage. Almost think it would be better to scratch all season tickets and make all seats available on a first-come first-served basis. At least the playing field would be level for all season ticket holders.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020Timely story in the Post today about the Cardinals working with the City on a possibility of up to 10,000 fans in the stands at some point.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020^Agree. Owners want money. I am going to guess they will take any gate they can get. They might have to share it with teams that can't have fans but they will make every cent they can.
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Let’s not conflate two different things here. Players getting infected because they’re together indoors most of the day isn’t the same as 10,000 fans spread out over 45,000 seats and wearing masks. That is a very low transmission environmentDTGstl314 wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2020So... 300,000 fans at the ballpark for the season is clearly not going to be happening in St. Louis this year. I'm not sure if 3,000 fans will even get into the stadium this year. I'll be surprised is the season is still happening beyond Labor Day.STLinCHI wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020300,000 fans instead of 3,000,000. I guess 1/10 of expected revenue is better than zero. They'll have to spread the crowd through the entire ballpark to make it work. That means season ticket holders will be moved around. I could see field box holders moving up to loge and loge into the upper deck. Wouldn't that lower per game ticket costs for those affected? How many season ticket holders are there? Definitely more than 10K. Will they use seniority to decide who stays and who is left out? I could see the pursuit of short term $ causing serious damage. Almost think it would be better to scratch all season tickets and make all seats available on a first-come first-served basis. At least the playing field would be level for all season ticket holders.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020
Timely story in the Post today about the Cardinals working with the City on a possibility of up to 10,000 fans in the stands at some point.
About the league lasting through the shorten seasoned. Any thoughts? My thought is if the league still has 16 teams by the playoffs they will try to make it work somehow. It will be interesting to see the route the league takes. I assumed players would want to call it if enough positive tests worked its way through the club house whereas owners want as much airtime as possible before calling its .
I would pick a minimum number of games completed, say 70%, if you don't have enough teams with complete seasons and best winning percentage from there is what determines playoff spots.. Not sure what or if any rules right now other then league hoping for majority of teams to have a complete season and a few stragglers who wouldn't make the expanded playoff in the first place..
Not Cardinal specifically related but baseball and MLS for that matter in general seemed more enjoyable to watch on TV than NBA has been my experience so far. NBA felt like it was watching their summer league games but with the big names on the floor showing the same lack of intensity as the rest...
I would pick a minimum number of games completed, say 70%, if you don't have enough teams with complete seasons and best winning percentage from there is what determines playoff spots.. Not sure what or if any rules right now other then league hoping for majority of teams to have a complete season and a few stragglers who wouldn't make the expanded playoff in the first place..
Not Cardinal specifically related but baseball and MLS for that matter in general seemed more enjoyable to watch on TV than NBA has been my experience so far. NBA felt like it was watching their summer league games but with the big names on the floor showing the same lack of intensity as the rest...
^ I think if a couple more teams come down with an outbreak like the Marlins or the Cardinals the season is over. As it should be. The Commissioner has already publicly said if the players and teams can't get their sh*t together he's pulling the plug. Even if they had 16 teams left by the time the playoffs started you'd have so many players that would have opted out by that point, schedules would be wrecked, and the competition would suffer.
I don't watch basketball or soccer and I find baseball on TV incredibly boring even in non-Covid times. The NHL has been been putting on some fantastic games though. The top 8 teams are in a 3 game round-robin which means no elimination yet, but the qualifier rounds for all the other teams are intense best-of-5 series. Those are fun.
I don't watch basketball or soccer and I find baseball on TV incredibly boring even in non-Covid times. The NHL has been been putting on some fantastic games though. The top 8 teams are in a 3 game round-robin which means no elimination yet, but the qualifier rounds for all the other teams are intense best-of-5 series. Those are fun.
I'm not conflating the two - the rampant outbreaks in MLB strongly suggest that the season is going to get cut short. It's highly unlikely that as long as the future of the season is in jeopardy that fans will be allowed back in the ballpark.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2020Let’s not conflate two different things here. Players getting infected because they’re together indoors most of the day isn’t the same as 10,000 fans spread out over 45,000 seats and wearing masks. That is a very low transmission environmentDTGstl314 wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2020So... 300,000 fans at the ballpark for the season is clearly not going to be happening in St. Louis this year. I'm not sure if 3,000 fans will even get into the stadium this year. I'll be surprised is the season is still happening beyond Labor Day.STLinCHI wrote: ↑Jun 24, 2020300,000 fans instead of 3,000,000. I guess 1/10 of expected revenue is better than zero. They'll have to spread the crowd through the entire ballpark to make it work. That means season ticket holders will be moved around. I could see field box holders moving up to loge and loge into the upper deck. Wouldn't that lower per game ticket costs for those affected? How many season ticket holders are there? Definitely more than 10K. Will they use seniority to decide who stays and who is left out? I could see the pursuit of short term $ causing serious damage. Almost think it would be better to scratch all season tickets and make all seats available on a first-come first-served basis. At least the playing field would be level for all season ticket holders.
I make no comment on the safety of allowing fans in the stadium - just saying I don't think it's particularly likely given the current circumstances.
And 300,000 for the year is... well, it's just not going to happen.
I think baseball makes it thru unless you get a handful of teams with major outbreaks at the same time. For now they will just adjust the schedule as they go (which I actually applaud them for being flexible with it) and do their best to get everyone at least 50 games.
I personally don’t see many opting out that haven’t already unless their team falls out of it and they just decide it is pointless to stick around when the team is dead in the water.
I personally don’t see many opting out that haven’t already unless their team falls out of it and they just decide it is pointless to stick around when the team is dead in the water.
Manfred said playoff seeding will be based on winning percentage, but has said nothing about a minimum amount of games played. I understand it's 2020 and nothing is fair, but can a team really qualify if they end up playing 10-15 less games than other teams in the playoffs?
The sports betting sites are placing much greater odds on the season being cancelled than not.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2020I think baseball makes it thru unless you get a handful of teams with major outbreaks at the same time. For now they will just adjust the schedule as they go (which I actually applaud them for being flexible with it) and do their best to get everyone at least 50 games.
I personally don’t see many opting out that haven’t already unless their team falls out of it and they just decide it is pointless to stick around when the team is dead in the water.
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That article says suspended, not cancelled. Outright canceled, no is still the favorite. 3 to 1.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2020The sports betting sites are placing much greater odds on the season being cancelled than not.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2020I think baseball makes it thru unless you get a handful of teams with major outbreaks at the same time. For now they will just adjust the schedule as they go (which I actually applaud them for being flexible with it) and do their best to get everyone at least 50 games.
I personally don’t see many opting out that haven’t already unless their team falls out of it and they just decide it is pointless to stick around when the team is dead in the water.
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. . . And Yadi is down to the 'Vid. 
That is the suck-ball right there.
The Reddit hot take? "To be fair, Yadi catches everything."
My sincere best wishes to Capitán Molina and everyone on and with the Cardinals dealing with the dread plague.
My own hot-take: somebody needed a better mask. A "not catching this" mask.
That is the suck-ball right there.The Reddit hot take? "To be fair, Yadi catches everything."
My sincere best wishes to Capitán Molina and everyone on and with the Cardinals dealing with the dread plague.
My own hot-take: somebody needed a better mask. A "not catching this" mask.
I think they set a minimum number of games requirement if league makes it to playoffs. The rules will need to change as they go so why not reward the team that not only played well but also did things right off the field, like players staying away from large groups off field, etc..EssTeeEll wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2020Manfred said playoff seeding will be based on winning percentage, but has said nothing about a minimum amount of games played. I understand it's 2020 and nothing is fair, but can a team really qualify if they end up playing 10-15 less games than other teams in the playoffs?
Another 2 Cardinals players testing positive, and another series that has to be entirely postponed. The Cubs team plane landed in St. Louis today, and then proceeded to head right back to Chicago. If the Cardinals somehow manage to actually play Monday against the Pirates, it will be their first game in nearly two weeks. At the end of the night on Sunday, the Cardinals will have played 5 games for the season, while some teams will already have 17 games under their belts - more than 1/4 of the season.
We still have 55 games left to play - and beginning Monday, we'll have exactly 49 days left in which to play them. That's just not going to work. 7 straight weeks of play with zero days off and 6 doubleheaders? Good luck actually pulling that off. Not gonna happen.
We still have 55 games left to play - and beginning Monday, we'll have exactly 49 days left in which to play them. That's just not going to work. 7 straight weeks of play with zero days off and 6 doubleheaders? Good luck actually pulling that off. Not gonna happen.
^Yeah, Ernie Banks might be up for it, but I don't see it happening now-a-days.
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Just looked at the public numbers. It appears that there are presently twenty six teams with confirmed cases. Most teams seem to have several. (Though few have remotely as many as us, and only the Marlins appear to have more. KC has a bunch too, apparently: fully eight.) And that's just players, not staff. Yabba dabba doozie! That's a dang mess right there. And in Baseball? Where there's little need for folks to get particularly close to one another during average play? They really needed to close the dugouts and put players in the stands spread out. You have a seat. You return to your seat when not playing or not at bat/on deck/in the hole. And wear some frigging masks on the field ya daisies! A friend said "but they're running." So I ran a couple hundred feet and change holding my breath. Sprinted as fast as I could, even. (So as to finish the insanity quicker.) If a middle aged man can run a good standup double holding his breath a young athlete can run the darn thing in a mask. And you know what? If everyone has to everyone has the same disadvantage. Lord Jimminy they done did it wrong and that's a fact. *grumble*
So... a tenth Cardinal player tested positive Sunday, and now another series (Pirates at Busch) is being postponed. That will set the Cardinals back with 13 makeup games to play, but at this point, the team is no longer giving any indication of when (if?) they intend to return to the field, instead now saying they are suspending everything indefinitely until further notice. Let's say they somehow manage to actually play the doubleheader they have scheduled in Detroit this Thursday - that still leaves them with 53 more games left to play in the final 45 days of the season. They've already got another doubleheader scheduled with Detroit along with three doubleheaders scheduled against Milwaukee, and they have yet to reschedule this weekend's Cubs games or the upcoming Pirates series that is now being postponed. And there's a pretty strong chance they don't play at all the rest of this week, including the upcoming weekend series against the White Sox in Chicago. Miss those games, and they begin next Monday with 55 games left to play in just 42 days time. That's more than 9 games per week for the remaining six weeks of the season with zero off days.
It would be pretty surreal if the Cardinals just cancelled the rest of their season and the rest of MLB continued playing, but at this point, nothing seems out of the question.
It would be pretty surreal if the Cardinals just cancelled the rest of their season and the rest of MLB continued playing, but at this point, nothing seems out of the question.