So now there is a petition to Rename St. Louis and take down the St. Louis statue on Art Hill.  
https://kmox.radio.com/articles/news/petition-calls-for-st-louis-to-be-renamed-statue-removed

Not sure what to think of all this, but if we were going to rename St. Louis, we need some guidelines.  1) One-word name.  No abbreviations or dots in the name so it can be cleanly found in a Google search.  2) No human names. Animals OK, such as Battlehawk, MO, I suppose.  Or a color -- GREEN, Missouri, say.  Those are my only 2 rules.  Here are my own candidates off the top of my head.  I like the way the government creates an unclassified name for classified projects.  Its just 2 words unrelated to anything.  Such as Have Slick.

1. Of Course I Still Love You. (violates rule 1). (name of the SpaceX floating drone landing pad)
2. Earth City. (also violates rule 1)
3. Sane Loose. (again, rule 1)
4. Springfield. (you can never have too many)
5. Gooeybuttercake
6. Wentzville (oh crap.  Violates rule 2)
7. Pain Court (dang that rule 1)
8. ChuckBerry (oops.  rule 1 and 2)
9. Gentle on My Mind  (I'm giving up on rule 1)
10. ShilohIllinois, Missouri. (uh oh.  just learned the name is tied to a religion.  Need Rule 3.  No religion connections.)
11. East Clayton. (oh wait -- violates rule 2)

gary kreie wrote: ↑

Jun 19, 2020

So now there is a petition to Rename St. Louis and take down the St. Louis statue on Art Hill.  
https://kmox.radio.com/articles/news/petition-calls-for-st-louis-to-be-renamed-statue-removed

Not sure what to think of all this, but if we were going to rename St. Louis, we need some guidelines.  1) One-word name.  No abbreviations or dots in the name so it can be cleanly found in a Google search.  2) No human names. Animals OK, such as Battlehawk, MO, I suppose.  Or a color -- GREEN, Missouri, say.  Those are my only 2 rules.  Here are my own candidates off the top of my head.  I like the way the government creates an unclassified name for classified projects.  Its just 2 words unrelated to anything.  Such as Have Slick.

1. Of Course I Still Love You. (violates rule 1). (name of the SpaceX floating drone landing pad)
2. Earth City. (also violates rule 1)
3. Sane Loose. (again, rule 1)
4. Springfield. (you can never have too many)
5. Gooeybuttercake
6. Wentzville (oh crap.  Violates rule 2)
7. Pain Court (dang that rule 1)
8. ChuckBerry (oops.  rule 1 and 2)
9. Gentle on My Mind  (I'm giving up on rule 1)
10. ShilohIllinois, Missouri. (uh oh.  just learned the name is tied to a religion.  Need Rule 3.  No religion connections.)
11. East Clayton. (oh wait -- violates rule 2)

It’s a silly waste of time and a distraction.  One thing that the far left and far right have in common is this stupidity to ban books or sh*t like this

999 out of 1000 don’t know who st.louis is named after, so to waste millions, maybe hundreds of millions to re name a city when it can be spent on actually making a difference is dumb.

When it comes to confederate sh*t. All of it should be taken down and not just put in a museum but burned to the ground.  It’s not erasing history,  the people who put up confederate statues or named places after them re wrote history.  We know the real history. It’s in history books.  Burn down the rest of it

I only recently learned St. Louis and Louisville are NOT named after the same guy.

How about Carondalet? Maintains the French heritage and as far as 18th century white men go, he was kinda woke. Reformed slavery to give enslaved people some rights, worked to build good/better relationships with freed people and Native Americans. 

And I would weasel it into you Criteria by claiming its named after the neighborhood and not the guy.

Also, people would be required to pronounce it properly.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jun 19, 2020

When it comes to confederate sh*t. All of it should be taken down and not just put in a museum but burned to the ground.  It’s not erasing history,  the people who put up confederate statues or named places after them re wrote history.  We know the real history. It’s in history books.  Burn down the rest of it

I think ridding ourselves of all Confederate monuments is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction.  I do not at all think there should be monuments to any Confederate still standing in a public area - much like we don't have monuments to Himmler, Rommel, Thomas Gage, Ho Chi Min, or Kaiser Wilhelm II.  However, the erection of these Confederate monuments are a part of US history - these weren't built by citizens of the CSA, but the USA.  These monuments were (probably) built somewhere in the 100 years after the Civil War ended.  That's an ugly period for the US in terms of race relations, not that the 300 years prior or up to the present are squeaky clean either.  

Rambling point is, the statues/monuments suck, take them down, but don't get rid of them.  The fact that they were erected in the first place is a part of US History that we can't just demolish.  Put them in a museum and provide the context for their erection (Who built them and why, and also that the clowns depicted were traitors to the US).

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jun 19, 2020

How about Carondalet? Maintains the French heritage and as far as 18th century white men go, he was kinda woke. Reformed slavery to give enslaved people some rights, worked to build good/better relationships with freed people and Native Americans. 

And I would weasel it into you Criteria by claiming its named after the neighborhood and not the guy.

Also, people would be required to pronounce it properly.

OK.  I'm just a little concerned since it involves a name that was once tied to a human.  As long as we're sure the guy has been properly vetted on all current and future potential disqualifiers.  For example -- did he eat mammals?  

gary kreie wrote: ↑

Jun 19, 2020

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Jun 19, 2020

How about Carondalet? Maintains the French heritage and as far as 18th century white men go, he was kinda woke. Reformed slavery to give enslaved people some rights, worked to build good/better relationships with freed people and Native Americans. 

And I would weasel it into you Criteria by claiming its named after the neighborhood and not the guy.

Also, people would be required to pronounce it properly.

OK.  I'm just a little concerned since it involves a name that was once tied to a human.  As long as we're sure the guy has been properly vetted on all current and future potential disqualifiers.  For example -- did he eat mammals?  

Haha i'm sure. How about Rivendell?

Pleasantville

East Chesterfield

A name change would get around the unfortunate same names on the city and county.

Speaking of renaming things can we rename Tucker 12th Street? Surely someone who did so much destruction to the city shouldn't have such a prominent street named after them.

Illinois City, Missouri.

Just to be consistent...and confuse the Coasters even more...

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Jun 20, 2020

Illinois City, Missouri.

Just to be consistent...and confuse the Coasters even more...

West East St. Louis

I'm down with 12th Street. Pain Court is a great nic. Pronouncing French correctly is . . . a physical impossibility. Do French people pronounce French correctly? I doubt it. There's just no earthly way anyone could wrap their head around French spelling.

That said . . . 

St. Louis stays. Everyone hates us already anyway. Why make things worse?

And the Chicago Cubs of medieval kings? What the heck? I try to listen to Umar Lee. I think he has his heart in the right place. But is he seriously trying to tell me I'm a Cub? Can you have Chicago Cubs without St. Louis Cardinals? Darkness is just an absence of light, right? So far as I can tell Cubs are just where the light of St. Louis does not shine.

"12th Street" isn't a good name for a city, guys. You're so weird. 

As for the Apotheosis, take it down for all I care. We have plenty of artists in this city that will find something pretty great to put on that pedestal. The only redeeming thing about the apotheosis and the city name is that no one knows or cares about the namesake. I've looked up which Louis it was on numerous occasion and still can't remember. Louis IX, I think? All I know about his sainthood is something about the Crusades. Which I know were terrible but again, hardly anyone knows. 

Honestly, step one should be putting pressure on the archdiocese to find a new patron saint but we all know that isn't happening. Unless our goal here is to say screw the catholic church (and your opposition to my marriage rights), we're no longer honoring your crappy saint. 

^I don't particularly care about the church. I'm neither Catholic, nor even Christian, really. Just not at all religious anymore. (I mean, I love their cathedral. I always worry I'll burst into flame, but I go there anyway. But it ain't me. Just visiting.)

But I'm not in favor of senseless name changes. The name means nothing, but it's ours. And the statue isn't really about the dead French king, it's about St. Louis. Which is a city. On a river. Pronounced Lou-ihs. (mih-Zu-ree.) See? Clearly not about a French guy. We can't even say the name of the French guy. It's the apotheosis of the greatest city in the U. S.

Fight me.

Take Columbus. He was a douche. Rename Columbia. And Jefferson City. Rename Washington and Kirksville. (Nobody likes Captain Kirk anymore.) Maybe leave Franklin and Union alone. Rename Branson. (Or better yet, just erase it.) Hell, re-rename New York. I promise, Old York ain't all that special. (It's okay for a little blink and you miss it town, but it's not even all that special by English standards. Does have a neat railroad museum, though.)

But I've been fighting for St. Louis all my life. Not about to let someone take it away from me now.

Definitely not anything French/British/Spanish as it would reek of colonialism. This excludes Carondelet, Laclede, Chouteau, etc.

chaifetz10 wrote:I'll double down on my MLS team name idea and suggest Arch City.

What would you say to those who claim the arch is a monument to genocide and manifest destiny?


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McClellan's take on it:

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/col ... 8b01b.html

So they want to cancel a French king who died 750 years ago? OK, then.

SeattleNative wrote:

chaifetz10 wrote:I'll double down on my MLS team name idea and suggest Arch City.

What would you say to those who claim the arch is a monument to genocide and manifest destiny?


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moorlander wrote:

SeattleNative wrote:

chaifetz10 wrote:I'll double down on my MLS team name idea and suggest Arch City.

What would you say to those who claim the arch is a monument to genocide and manifest destiny?


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Yes, I’d assume that the same line of thinking for renaming (and apparently now decanonizing - which is unprecedented) Saint Louis would also apply to anything arch related.


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