Yes - I read it as the Walgreens is what they were wanting to move forward on immediately and any future development, including the mentioned high-rise, would come in future phases. (Which in St. Louis speak means years down the line - if ever)
I read it as Westman was going through the paces to build a Walgreens while Pantheon had a concept for a high-rise and wanted to discuss. I wonder if there was a drawing if the concept. Where Crossroads is was once a Walgreens. Anyone know when it closed?
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That was a Walgreen's? I thought it was a National supermarket.quincunx wrote: ↑May 06, 2020I read it as Westman was going through the paces to build a Walgreens while Pantheon had a concept for a high-rise and wanted to discuss. I wonder if there was a drawing if the concept. Where Crossroads is was once a Walgreens. Anyone know when it closed?
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It was the site of the Wintergarden ice rink way back, but then it was a national grocery store, which is what the main structure is from. It is possible that it could've been a Walgreens, but it seems like too large of a building for a drug store.debaliviere wrote: ↑May 06, 2020That was a Walgreen's? I thought it was a National supermarket.quincunx wrote: ↑May 06, 2020I read it as Westman was going through the paces to build a Walgreens while Pantheon had a concept for a high-rise and wanted to discuss. I wonder if there was a drawing if the concept. Where Crossroads is was once a Walgreens. Anyone know when it closed?
"The 18-mile rail line, to be called Metro Link, is scheduled to begin operating in 1993 and will run from Lambert Field through the West End to downtown and then to East St. Louis."
1990: Metro Link, Lambert Field, West End, downtown
2020: MetroLink, Lambert Airport, Central West End, Downtown
Funny how these local terms/phrases evolve over the years.
1990: Metro Link, Lambert Field, West End, downtown
2020: MetroLink, Lambert Airport, Central West End, Downtown
Funny how these local terms/phrases evolve over the years.
^ I believe you mean St. Louis Lambert Airport..wabash wrote: ↑May 06, 2020"The 18-mile rail line, to be called Metro Link, is scheduled to begin operating in 1993 and will run from Lambert Field through the West End to downtown and then to East St. Louis."
1990: Metro Link, Lambert Field, West End, downtown
2020: MetroLink, Lambert Airport, Central West End, Downtown
Funny how these local terms/phrases evolve over the years.
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^Thank you Wabash. I've been annoyed at the "Central" that's crept in for years. I feel like "Central" is essentially the middle part of it, but the whole shebang, from about Boyle to Skinker and Delmar to Clayton is the "West End." Maybe even a little more than that. (These terms were originally a bit fuzzy. And personally . . . I like 'em that way. Keep your new-fangled o-fee-shul definitions to your own self.)
And no rbb. I think he means Lambert.
And no rbb. I think he means Lambert.
Are we just ignoring the fact that there's a separate neighborhood called the West End? They seem to like the name too. (side note, the article was very likely referring to CWE). I've maybe come across one of two people who call the CWE the West End because apparently saying one extra work was too much effort. The other 99.8% of people I've met don't seem to mind the effort of saying "Central West End". Plus, CWE is easier to type then "West End". Nobody would by typing "WE"symphonicpoet wrote: ↑May 07, 2020^Thank you Wabash. I've been annoyed at the "Central" that's crept in for years. I feel like "Central" is essentially the middle part of it, but the whole shebang, from about Boyle to Skinker and Delmar to Clayton is the "West End." Maybe even a little more than that. (These terms were originally a bit fuzzy. And personally . . . I like 'em that way. Keep your new-fangled o-fee-shul definitions to your own self.)
It should be called the Central West End. As you point out, "West End" is a misnomer since it's a separate neighborhood, and calling the CWE the "West End" just seems dated at this point - as evidenced by the article.aprice wrote: ↑May 07, 2020Are we just ignoring the fact that there's a separate neighborhood called the West End? They seem to like the name too. (side note, the article was very likely referring to CWE). I've maybe come across one of two people who call the CWE the West End because apparently saying one extra work was too much effort. The other 99.8% of people I've met don't seem to mind the effort of saying "Central West End". Plus, CWE is easier to type then "West End". Nobody would by typing "WE"symphonicpoet wrote: ↑May 07, 2020^Thank you Wabash. I've been annoyed at the "Central" that's crept in for years. I feel like "Central" is essentially the middle part of it, but the whole shebang, from about Boyle to Skinker and Delmar to Clayton is the "West End." Maybe even a little more than that. (These terms were originally a bit fuzzy. And personally . . . I like 'em that way. Keep your new-fangled o-fee-shul definitions to your own self.)
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I might mention that the paper was the West End Word. I don't think it's a misnomer at all. Just old. And I like old. I could accept that the neighborhood now called the West End has its origin as part of a larger neighborhood of which the "Central" West End is also a part. But I have to tell you, I thoroughly dislike the idea of official neighborhoods existing at all. No need for 'em. Neighborhoods are organic, not designed by committee. "Central" feels like a modifier. Kind of like "mid" and "down" are to "town." I've no problem with it, really. But I do have a problem with having a problem with dropping it. You folks are welcome to call it whatever you like. But accept that I might or might not care or participate. And if you try to correct me . . . West End Word. It was west before it was central. Enough said.
(And I do have a problem with having two official city designated neighborhood proxies with such similar names. That's just stupid. A recipe for confusion. Whatever committee came up with that idea should be drummed out of government so fast it happened daces ago.)
(And I do have a problem with having two official city designated neighborhood proxies with such similar names. That's just stupid. A recipe for confusion. Whatever committee came up with that idea should be drummed out of government so fast it happened daces ago.)
Seemed to me the author was using the term "West End" in a broad sense.
I wonder how long the name Central West End has been popular. More than 50 years
Some perspective on some neighborhood name origins-
Stl PR - In city of neighborhoods, names matter
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/ci ... r#stream/0
I wonder how long the name Central West End has been popular. More than 50 years
Some perspective on some neighborhood name origins-
Stl PR - In city of neighborhoods, names matter
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/ci ... r#stream/0
Google 'Central West End' and St. Louis comes up. Google 'West End' and what city doesn't populate besides London? I love how adding 'Central' sets STL apart from other cities with this great neighborhood. The West End up here in Minneapolis is something similar to West Port I guess, sort of. They think it's cool, I don't.
Getting totally OT here, but the evolution of St. Louis terminology is interesting.
One that comes to mind is "Central Corridor", which seems to be used more and more these days with Cortex rising and these last two development cycles being so heavily concentrated in Downtown/DTW (2000-2008) and CWE/Grove (2010 to 2020) with Clayton, WashU and SLU contributing a fair share in both decades. Also, the completion of Cross County (2006) may have helped define what's become known as the "Central Corridor".
Maybe I just missed it, but I don't remember "Central Corridor" being a term at all pre-Y2K.
One that comes to mind is "Central Corridor", which seems to be used more and more these days with Cortex rising and these last two development cycles being so heavily concentrated in Downtown/DTW (2000-2008) and CWE/Grove (2010 to 2020) with Clayton, WashU and SLU contributing a fair share in both decades. Also, the completion of Cross County (2006) may have helped define what's become known as the "Central Corridor".
Maybe I just missed it, but I don't remember "Central Corridor" being a term at all pre-Y2K.
It's the money trail - Downtown to Wells-Fargo/Downtown West to SLU/Grand Center/Midtown to Cortex to BJC/Central West End to Forest Park/Debaliviere-Skinker to WUSTL to Clayton to Downtown Clayton to Ladue to Frontenac to Town & Country to Chesterfield. Most of the affluence in the St. Louis metropolitan area lies along the I-64 corridor.wabash wrote: ↑May 10, 2020Getting totally OT here, but the evolution of St. Louis terminology is interesting.
One that comes to mind is "Central Corridor", which seems to be used more and more these days with Cortex rising and these last two development cycles being so heavily concentrated in Downtown/DTW (2000-2008) and CWE/Grove (2010 to 2020) with Clayton, WashU and SLU contributing a fair share in both decades. Also, the completion of Cross County (2006) may have helped define what's become known as the "Central Corridor".
Maybe I just missed it, but I don't remember "Central Corridor" being a term at all pre-Y2K.
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The term is surely new, but the idea that we had several little pop-up high rise districts scattered in a line leading west from downtown was pretty obvious anytime you went up high enough as far back as I can remember. They're slowly getting more structurally dense now, but the newest one dates back to the 80s at laest. Folks would periodically call Clayton the "downtown of St. Louis County" as far back as the 80s at least. Don't know that it was a particularly regular thing, but I remember family using the term when we went there for whatever reason back into the early 80s. It's new, but at least there's a logic to it. It feels organic, not manufactured.
Pretty sure that was Carondalet or somewhere around there. Is that a wedge off of Virginia?
^ Yeah, kinda looks like those two streets are labeled Virginia and Alabama. Looks like they would have vacated a stretch of Liberty. Though I can think of about a dozen or more wedges around the city that could use some similar quality infill...
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That's funny. It even looks like the new street would have had about the same lines as the community garden. I wonder if they actually started site work on that and the garden is the result of an abandoned plan.
All but one of the lots is LRA. The other is DUTHTOWN SOUTH COMM HOUSING CORP
