Not many seats left for the next home game, March 21st.
The XFL really needs to consider expansion into other markets screwed over by the NFL: San Diego, Oakland, Cleveland.
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attendance from around the league (noticeable dip when STL and Seattle arent both at home)
^ Thanks, first and obvious takeaway is that St. Louis is the only city without a NFL team.
Have to agree with Danryan1, XFL should really go after Oakland & San Diego. Plenty of football fans who can't afford or don't want to go to Las Vegas or LA and don't really care for the NFL teams that are already in those Metro areas. Between South Cali & Bay Area you are looking at metro areas with almost 20 million people or more. So my game plan, move wildcats out of LA to San Diego and expansion teams for Austin TX & Oakland, CA
Heck, I'm going one step further, XFL should two expansion teams in Mexico if first three seasons are successful. Mexico City and Monterey
Have to agree with Danryan1, XFL should really go after Oakland & San Diego. Plenty of football fans who can't afford or don't want to go to Las Vegas or LA and don't really care for the NFL teams that are already in those Metro areas. Between South Cali & Bay Area you are looking at metro areas with almost 20 million people or more. So my game plan, move wildcats out of LA to San Diego and expansion teams for Austin TX & Oakland, CA
Heck, I'm going one step further, XFL should two expansion teams in Mexico if first three seasons are successful. Mexico City and Monterey
I don't know where Oakland would play long term if the league survives.dredger wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2020^ Thanks, first and obvious takeaway is that St. Louis is the only city without a NFL team.
Have to agree with Danryan1, XFL should really go after Oakland & San Diego. Plenty of football fans who can't afford or don't want to go to Las Vegas or LA and don't really care for the NFL teams that are already in those Metro areas. Between South Cali & Bay Area you are looking at metro areas with almost 20 million people or more. So my game plan, move wildcats out of LA to San Diego and expansion teams for Austin TX & Oakland, CA
I believe they are building a new baseball stadium and tearing down the dual purpose stadium.
I think we are getting way ahead of ourselves with expansion. They need to make it work in 8 cities before they can start adding.
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Yeah, they're staying with the current 8 for season 2. After that you may see some adjustmentsjshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2020I think we are getting way ahead of ourselves with expansion. They need to make it work in 8 cities before they can start adding.
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And even then, I don't think this is a league that needs to expand quickly. Make sure the interest is sustainable long term and then just relocate teams as need be.
I think changes will be a reality when 7 of your 8 teams are competing directly against NFL. Yes, I know the rules are different and seasons are different but still competing for the same football dollars.
Houston is opening their upper deck. Holds 40k total. Will be interesting to see how full they get it.
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Even with less fans physically in the seats in some of the markets (like LA), I'd imagine they can still do quite well in the T.V. broadcast market (and get that sweet, sweet LA revenue). Any indication as to how the broadcasts are going viewers wise? Surely the TV deal monies have to help offset some of the attendance figures.
The XFL got the Companies to foot their own bill (ESPN/FOX said it costs $400,000 per game) and got $0 for the TV rights. I'm sure they will renegotiate for next year...Trololzilla wrote: ↑Mar 03, 2020Even with less fans physically in the seats in some of the markets (like LA), I'd imagine they can still do quite well in the T.V. broadcast market (and get that sweet, sweet LA revenue). Any indication as to how the broadcasts are going viewers wise? Surely the TV deal monies have to help offset some of the attendance figures.
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TV deal has the broadcasters pay for the production costs and keep the commercials revenue but the XFL keeps the in game commercial revenue.lobot3000 wrote: ↑Mar 03, 2020The XFL got the Companies to foot their own bill (ESPN/FOX said it costs $400,000 per game) and got $0 for the TV rights. I'm sure they will renegotiate for next year...Trololzilla wrote: ↑Mar 03, 2020Even with less fans physically in the seats in some of the markets (like LA), I'd imagine they can still do quite well in the T.V. broadcast market (and get that sweet, sweet LA revenue). Any indication as to how the broadcasts are going viewers wise? Surely the TV deal monies have to help offset some of the attendance figures.
Battlehawks deal with the Dome
The XFL will be also be responsible for game day expenses such as facility labor, security and traffic control, according to the agreement. Explore St. Louis will provide services that include turf installation, lighting for game setup, game-level lighting during football games, heating and cooling, and free public internet during games.
The XFL will pocket all ticket revenue (after deduction of taxes and fees) and is to provide 200 free tickets and three complimentary suites per game for Explore St. Louis. The football league will keep any revenue for game-related sponsorships it sells.
Explore St. Louis' concessionaire, Levy Restaurants, has exclusive rights to sell merchandise at games, with the XFL to receive 80 percent of the revenue (after labor costs) with the remainder going to Explore St. Louis. The league has the option to pay a $5,000 buyout fee to retain all merchandise sales proceeds.
Levy will also operate the facility's concessions during XFL games and will share concession revenue with Explore St. Louis. But if food and beverage sales exceed $200,000, the XFL will receive 25 percent of the revenue.
With that said the XFL should make about $6-7M in ticket revenue for this season in STL, that's probably enough to cover player/coach costs.
May I ask where you got that from?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2020attendance from around the league (noticeable dip when STL and Seattle arent both at home)
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SEA/OAK/SD makes a nice little western pod. Could add PDX, SAC, maybe VAN
Other than that focus on SEC/Big12/Big10 country. That's your ticket to football fanaticism.
- New Orleans, Tulane stadium is a perfect fit
- Oklahoma City
- Austin, new MLS stadium
- Denver
- Nashville, new MLS stadium
- Ohio (Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland)
- Atlanta
These would be the cities that continue to give a sh*t and show up even through losing seasons.
Other than that focus on SEC/Big12/Big10 country. That's your ticket to football fanaticism.
- New Orleans, Tulane stadium is a perfect fit
- Oklahoma City
- Austin, new MLS stadium
- Denver
- Nashville, new MLS stadium
- Ohio (Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland)
- Atlanta
These would be the cities that continue to give a sh*t and show up even through losing seasons.
I’ve been wondering why the XFL chose cities that have NFL teams. Obviously they don’t compete as seasons don’t overlap but so interesting things—
Tampa’s enthusiasm over the Bucs is waning.
DC’s disgust with Dan Snyder and empty stadiums during Redskins home games is infamous.
LA doesn’t care about the Charger nor Rams.
NY has little love for the Jets and the Giants perpetually frustrate.
Houston Texans are on the half bottom half of fan bases.
Dallas will always love the Cowboys but Cowboy fans are not longer in denial, their b*tching about how much and for how long the Cowboys suck is fun to hear.
Is the XFL the young mistress going after bored cities with a wandering eye...?m
Expansion won’t happen for years but I’d put Atlanta, Detroit, Phoenix and San Diego or Oakland on that list.
Tampa’s enthusiasm over the Bucs is waning.
DC’s disgust with Dan Snyder and empty stadiums during Redskins home games is infamous.
LA doesn’t care about the Charger nor Rams.
NY has little love for the Jets and the Giants perpetually frustrate.
Houston Texans are on the half bottom half of fan bases.
Dallas will always love the Cowboys but Cowboy fans are not longer in denial, their b*tching about how much and for how long the Cowboys suck is fun to hear.
Is the XFL the young mistress going after bored cities with a wandering eye...?m
Expansion won’t happen for years but I’d put Atlanta, Detroit, Phoenix and San Diego or Oakland on that list.
They chose the biggest cities because that is what people (and more importantly networks) care about. That is how they got ESPN/FOX on board. Only reason we got picked is because we had a dome and they knew we would show up after feeling cheated by the NFL. I really don't think it is more than that, people are overthinking it. There is no other reason to pick LA except that it is a huge market. Biggest media markets mean more eyeballs and more media coverage. If Chicago had an indoor option I would guess they would have been at the top of the list also. We saw how picking smaller cities like Memphis, Birmingham and Tucson went. No reason to repeat that.shadrach wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2020I’ve been wondering why the XFL chose cities that have NFL teams. Obviously they don’t compete as seasons don’t overlap but so interesting things—
Tampa’s enthusiasm over the Bucs is waning.
DC’s disgust with Dan Snyder and empty stadiums during Redskins home games is infamous.
LA doesn’t care about the Charger nor Rams.
NY has little love for the Jets and the Giants perpetually frustrate.
Houston Texans are on the half bottom half of fan bases.
Dallas will always love the Cowboys but Cowboy fans are not longer in denial, their b*tching about how much and for how long the Cowboys suck is fun to hear.
Is the XFL the young mistress going after bored cities with a wandering eye...?m
Expansion won’t happen for years but I’d put Atlanta, Detroit, Phoenix and San Diego or Oakland on that list.
It has nothing to do with wandering eyes and honestly some of the reasons you listed don't hold water. Texans had the 9th highest attendance and the stadium was 99.7% full on average. They are really good.
Top attendances
1. Dallas
2. New York Jets
5. New York Giants
9. Houston
11. LA Rams
15. Seattle but over 100% full
I don't think there is any issues with fans wandering to the XFL team. It is just the biggest cities have the most people so it is easier to get people to a stadium.
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Some TV numbers are out:
These two articles are also of interest:
XFL Ratings Headed Wrong Way For League Hoping To Hang Around
XFL Successes In St. Louis, Seattle Offer Key Insights To Market Selection For Spring Football
These two articles are also of interest:
XFL Ratings Headed Wrong Way For League Hoping To Hang Around
XFL Successes In St. Louis, Seattle Offer Key Insights To Market Selection For Spring Football
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Agreed...but why Tampa? Seems like Orlando would have been the best choice in FL.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2020don't think there is any issues with fans wandering to the XFL team. It is just the biggest cities have the most people so it is easier to get people to a stadium.
jshank83, let me have my fun!
Actually, that thought came about from a conversation with my brother in LA who's a huge Redskins fan (our uncle played for them back in the day.) Anyway, he was saying something like, 'for people in DC, they finally have a football team.' (this was after week 1 with the great crowds, energy.) We then talked about all the other fans the probably felt the same way and the Bucs, Texans, Chargers, Jets came up. Hmmm. Attendance is not the issue, but overall fan frustration. Imagine how it would be with fans if we still had the hapless Rams and the STL Battlehawks were kicking @ss and taking names—'Finally, we have a real football team!'
Anyway, the cities chosen are actually huge TV markets. (Tampa is larger than Miami, go figure, but that's how the lines are drawn.) St. Louis is far and away the smallest. Back to city selection, cities had to pitch the XFL for a team. In the case of Tampa, maybe they thought fans would respond to an alternate team. It think the decision was based on a combination of who pitched, TV market and anticipated fan response.
Actually, that thought came about from a conversation with my brother in LA who's a huge Redskins fan (our uncle played for them back in the day.) Anyway, he was saying something like, 'for people in DC, they finally have a football team.' (this was after week 1 with the great crowds, energy.) We then talked about all the other fans the probably felt the same way and the Bucs, Texans, Chargers, Jets came up. Hmmm. Attendance is not the issue, but overall fan frustration. Imagine how it would be with fans if we still had the hapless Rams and the STL Battlehawks were kicking @ss and taking names—'Finally, we have a real football team!'
Anyway, the cities chosen are actually huge TV markets. (Tampa is larger than Miami, go figure, but that's how the lines are drawn.) St. Louis is far and away the smallest. Back to city selection, cities had to pitch the XFL for a team. In the case of Tampa, maybe they thought fans would respond to an alternate team. It think the decision was based on a combination of who pitched, TV market and anticipated fan response.
Tampa was the one that didn’t make much sense to me. But I wouldn’t have put any team in Florida.STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2020Agreed...but why Tampa? Seems like Orlando would have been the best choice in FL.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2020don't think there is any issues with fans wandering to the XFL team. It is just the biggest cities have the most people so it is easier to get people to a stadium.
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The XFL would have loved to have a team in Orlando, but there was already an AAF team there, along with Atlanta, Birmingham, and Memphis in the Eastern Conference, and Arizona, SLC, San Antonio, and San Diego in the Western Conference.STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2020Agreed...but why Tampa? Seems like Orlando would have been the best choice in FL.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2020don't think there is any issues with fans wandering to the XFL team. It is just the biggest cities have the most people so it is easier to get people to a stadium.
I'm not sure yet that putting teams in LA and NY was the best way to go, but competing directly for fans and airtime in mid-sized markets with another startup spring football league would definitely not have been a good idea.