City vs Rams Lawsuit

pattimagee · PostOct 14, 2019#40762019-10-14T19:19+00:00

Even though it will most likely never happen...

An important pieces would be the amusement tax in full force, no tax breaks on construction materials, required to be a part of the MBE, might as well create an NFL business district that can generate money to repair roads/infrastructure throughout north city, creation that training program through Ranken that was going to be a part of the original deal, upgrades to the River Front Trail, fund the full capping of city arch river downtown, fund the revitalization of Fountain Park, fund North-South Metro-link, Save the Trolley...

I'm sure there's a few more...

9ine Runner · PostOct 14, 2019#40772019-10-14T19:50+00:00

Oh and I see cities around the country have been hosting the NFL draft, throw that in there with a Super Bowl.

Where would be a good spot in St. Louis?

addxb2 · PostOct 14, 2019#40782019-10-14T20:10+00:00

Our city is drowning in debt and we have 32 of the country’s richest in a corner? Take the big check and pay our debt.

In a wild wild turn of events, St. Louis sells its airport and successfully sues the NFL to tackle our growing liabilities. Financial strength and stabilization is worth 2 NFL teams.

gone corporate · PostOct 14, 2019#40792019-10-14T20:25+00:00

^ You know what you have when a City has financial strength and stabilization? The NFL wanting to place a franchise in that City.

chaifetz10 · PostOct 14, 2019#40802019-10-14T21:14+00:00

9ine Runner wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2019
Oh and I see cities around the country have been hosting the NFL draft, throw that in there with a Super Bowl.

Where would be a good spot in St. Louis?

The Peabody would be my recommendation. Plenty of open park space right across the street for the additional events and staging that take place outside of the draft itself.

9ine Runner · PostOct 14, 2019#40812019-10-14T21:40+00:00

chaifetz10 wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2019
9ine Runner wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2019
Oh and I see cities around the country have been hosting the NFL draft, throw that in there with a Super Bowl.

Where would be a good spot in St. Louis?

The Peabody would be my recommendation. Plenty of open park space right across the street for the additional events and staging that take place outside of the draft itself.

Better context - last year in Nashville they were outside and turned out 200,000 for the first day.
Peabody would be too small and even the surrounding area, I imagine.
Would the Arch Grounds be the obvious choice? (Getting way ahead of myself here)

chaifetz10 · PostOct 14, 2019#40822019-10-14T21:44+00:00

While that many people show up for the festivities, very few actually make it inside to watch the draft take place itself. There's an entire system in place that randomly selects fans who register for a chance.

sc4mayor · PostOct 14, 2019#40832019-10-14T22:40+00:00

addxb2 wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2019
Our city is drowning in debt and we have 32 of the country’s richest in a corner? Take the big check and pay our debt.

In a wild wild turn of events, St. Louis sells its airport and successfully sues the NFL to tackle our growing liabilities. Financial strength and stabilization is worth 2 NFL teams.

I'm assuming whatever settlement there is would not just be doled out in the City. The County, State, CVC, etc would all be entitled to some of that, if I'm understanding this correctly. GC, some details on that would be appreciated if you know them.

If somehow the region lands a large settlement, enough to make at least a dent in the city's debt load, then I'd prefer the airport privatization thing just fall by the wayside. I'm still not sold on that.

And since we're all having fun speculating, I'd agree with chaifetz that Stifel and the surrounding area would be pretty great for the draft. Close a few streets down like they did during the Blues Cup run and you'd have a lot more open space than that scene in Nashville.

aprice · PostOct 15, 2019#40842019-10-15T14:12+00:00

While I do love the Fox, Stifel might win due to its better MetroLink access.

John Coctostan · PostOct 15, 2019#40852019-10-15T15:54+00:00

9ine Runner wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2019
chaifetz10 wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2019
9ine Runner wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2019
Oh and I see cities around the country have been hosting the NFL draft, throw that in there with a Super Bowl.

Where would be a good spot in St. Louis?

The Peabody would be my recommendation. Plenty of open park space right across the street for the additional events and staging that take place outside of the draft itself.
Better context - last year in Nashville they were outside and turned out 200,000 for the first day.
Peabody would be too small and even the surrounding area, I imagine.
Would the Arch Grounds be the obvious choice? (Getting way ahead of myself here)

I happened to be in Nashville for a bachelor party the same weekend as the draft. Our place was a block to the left of that big screen in the picture. It was an utter nightmare. We couldn't believe how many people were willing to spend their time and money to attend the draft.

gone corporate · PostOct 16, 2019#40862019-10-16T19:03+00:00

IANAL. I would assume that - should a monetary award to the plaintiffs be granted - each of the individual plaintiffs would share in any award; proportional to the losses each has incurred; minus attorneys' fees.

urbanitas · PostOct 16, 2019#40872019-10-16T23:36+00:00

John Coctostan wrote:Everyone's favorite NFL insider (EDIT - not sure how to clean this up):

"There was a STRONG rumor floating around in recent weeks that the NFL had “offered” the city of St. Louis the Chargers franchise...."

The Chargers have had only 14 winning seasons and won a grand total of 8 playoff games since Alex Spanos bought the team in 1984, for a combined record of 280-303*. That's not much better than Bidwill's horrendous Cardinals record.
If that rumor is true, it should be seen for what it is, yet another insult by the NFL, because St. Louis would be the laughingstock of everyone in football fandom (and beyond) if the Chargers moved here. Why would anyone want to subject the city to that shitshow...yet again?

* - includes postseason record and 2019 season to date

wabash · PostOct 17, 2019#40882019-10-17T00:47+00:00

^So maybe we just ask Cleveland what that’s like first to confirm that it’s worth it?

framer · PostOct 17, 2019#40892019-10-17T03:34+00:00

Like I've suggested before: the NFL should award us a new franchise, to be owned by the people of St. Louis (similar to the deal they've got in Green Bay). I know, I know, that sort of ownership structure is now against the NFL rules. But since when has the NFL ever followed their own rules?

urbanitas · PostOct 17, 2019#40902019-10-17T07:26+00:00

wabash wrote: ↑
Oct 17, 2019
^So maybe we just ask Cleveland what that’s like first to confirm that it’s worth it?

Worth what? They have suffered lousy football, certainly, but Cleveland football fans never had to suffer the insult to injury of being disrespected by the NFL on top of it, let alone twice. Unlike either relocation from St. Louis, the NFL bent over backwards to make everyone happy when Modell moved (although they did end up getting 2 brand new stadiums out of it).

And FWIW, I doubt very much that Cuyahoga County voters would have funded a new stadium if they knew the Browns 2.0 would go 95-224-1 over the next 20 seasons, and neither host nor win a single playoff game...

John Coctostan · PostOct 17, 2019#40912019-10-17T14:28+00:00

Saw a tweet yesterday that says construction costs for Kroenke's new stadium are now $5 billion (originally $2.5B) and that the NFL has suggested the players chip in to pay off a portion of cost overruns. I guess they've got until end of November to agree to a new CBA (not sure if I'm saying this right). Not a snowball's chance in hell the NFLPA agrees to that.

It's fun watching this ship sink.

RockChalkSTL · PostOct 17, 2019#40922019-10-17T14:41+00:00

Goodell originally said that the NFL and NFLPA would have a new CBA agreement before the 2019 season, which obviously never happened. It's not quite crunch time for either side, but this CBA does expire after the 2020 season.

In the end, I think a lot of ridiculous CBA demands are thrown out during negotiations, with the end result falling somewhere in the middle. As much as I'm rooting for the NFL to feel some pain, I hesitate to believe the NFL actually thinks this will happen.

dredger · PostOct 17, 2019#40932019-10-17T18:35+00:00

framer wrote: ↑
Oct 17, 2019
Like I've suggested before: the NFL should award us a new franchise, to be owned by the people of St. Louis (similar to the deal they've got in Green Bay). I know, I know, that sort of ownership structure is now against the NFL rules. But since when has the NFL ever followed their own rules?

I think we all believe this is a pipe dream. It will come down who wants the Chargers, appease St Louis and or see if NFL sucker say San Antonio or Austin TX build them a new stadium. At the moment can't really think of any other US Metro area that would be game or big enough. Maybe Sacramento to keep Chargers in Cali.
I'm absolutely positive the next new NFL franchise will be outside of the country. Didn't NFL have like 3-4 back to back London games so far this season..including the last two weeks.

shadrach · PostOct 17, 2019#40942019-10-17T19:34+00:00

OT—If you haven't seen it, this Wendover video is a good one regarding NFL and London.
All said, they will probably add a team (if the St. Louis lawsuit doesn't tank the league.

) I met a guy from London who worked for the IOC (meaning, he's with one of the biggest, if not biggest, sport's brand in the world) and he loved the NFL games. Didn't understand it all, but loved it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ_LUFBSoqM&t=20s

John Coctostan · PostOct 17, 2019#40952019-10-17T20:08+00:00

dredger wrote: ↑
Oct 17, 2019
framer wrote: ↑
Oct 17, 2019
Like I've suggested before: the NFL should award us a new franchise, to be owned by the people of St. Louis (similar to the deal they've got in Green Bay). I know, I know, that sort of ownership structure is now against the NFL rules. But since when has the NFL ever followed their own rules?
I think we all believe this is a pipe dream.    It will come down who wants the Chargers, appease St Louis and or see if NFL sucker say San Antonio or Austin TX build them a new stadium. At the moment can't really think of any other US Metro area that would be game or big enough. Maybe Sacramento to keep Chargers in Cali.
I'm absolutely positive the next new NFL franchise will be outside of the country.    Didn't NFL have like 3-4 back to back London games so far this season..including the last two weeks.

I can't see the NFL in San Antonio/Austin any time soon. Jerry won't allow it. The only vacant market big enough that I can think of would be Portland. 22nd largest tv market (STL: 21). That would keep them on the West Coast but I guess if Chargers fans won't drive 100 miles north to see them play, they sure as heck won't fly to see them play.

wabash · PostOct 17, 2019#40962019-10-17T23:04+00:00

urbanitas wrote:
wabash wrote: ↑
Oct 17, 2019
^So maybe we just ask Cleveland what that’s like first to confirm that it’s worth it?
Worth what? They have suffered lousy football, certainly, but Cleveland football fans never had to suffer the insult to injury of being disrespected by the NFL on top of it, let alone twice. Unlike either relocation from St. Louis, the NFL bent over backwards to make everyone happy when Modell moved (although they did end up getting 2 brand new stadiums out of it).

And FWIW, I doubt very much that Cuyahoga County voters would have funded a new stadium if they knew the Browns 2.0 would go 95-224-1 over the next 20 seasons, and neither host nor win a single playoff game...

Exactly. Would be good to get a sense from
Cleveland if they’re still happy with that decision.

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urbanitas · PostOct 17, 2019#40972019-10-17T23:21+00:00

^The vote occurred shortly after Art Modell announced he was moving, and said something to the effect that he was moving the team because Cleveland didn't have the ability to build a new stadium, so it was a great big FU to Modell, and the tax vote won overwhelmingly (master manipulators, the NFL...they got what they wanted).

But as to what people say there now, it would depend on whom you asked. They have a relatively new owner, so there is still some hope now I guess.

sc4mayor · PostOct 24, 2019#40982019-10-24T17:29+00:00

Not much here, but someone asked Ben Frederickson what he thought of the Chargers to St. Louis rumors and he had this to say:

Sounds bogus to me, and to those I've checked with, people who would know better than I would.
A few things to consider . . .
• The stadium in Los Angeles, the one that is continuing to go above and beyond in building costs, needs the Charges as a tenant. That's money.
• The league knows potential relocation to STL would come with zero public assistance. It's not going to do that, because doing that means it's more likely to happen in the future.
• I can't speak for the lawyers who are chipping away at the big relocation lawsuit, but I don't think a settlement is on their minds. They want to make an example of the league, and their big war has a decent pile of little victories piling up.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/charger ... 16aee.html

gary kreie · PostOct 24, 2019#40992019-10-24T17:52+00:00

Question on the dome. At one time, Kitty Ratcliffe and America's Center were offering $120 million in upgrades to the dome. And after the Rams left, America's Center said they would make even more money with the Rams gone because they could hold conventions and concerts in the fall using the dome. So does the dome now not need upgrades? Was that just to keep the Rams who paid almost nothing to use the dome in the first place. Why not use that money to upgrade the dome? Or is it self-supporting and banking even more piles of money since the Rams left? Or is it too far gone and we plan to raze it in just a few years? Is that money going to the planned America's Center expansion? Just wondering about where the money went, and what the plans is for the dome, if any? Apparently it is not even usable for state high school football championships anymore.

chaifetz10 · PostOct 24, 2019#41002019-10-24T18:13+00:00

I don't believe the Dome needs any particular upgrades for concerts or conventions. I'm sure there are some things they'd like to update like lighting, sound systems, etc, but there's no need for any massive skylights or luxury suites that the Rams were demanding. I do wish that the Dome would advertise a bit more to let people know it's not just a sports venue. No, it doesn't need to be razed, but it probably could use some standard maintenance that you'd expect with any large building.

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