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PostJan 28, 2019#4976

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Additionally, the original document which requested the funding for this project, and was listed in the airport's Wiki page (reference #119, IIRC) has been removed. From prior postings, I know Trolozilla monitors the airports Wiki page and noted changes. Any idea what happened here, Trolozilla?
Welcome to the forums!

Not to get too far off-topic, but basically what happened is that not too long ago, a Wiki user came by and deleted/edited out a fair bit of of text (~4,700 bytes worth) from the Wiki page. To be fair, a lot of it was pretty extraneous and probably did violate some of the "Rules and Guidelines" of Wikipedia (namely WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:NOTEVERYTHING, which that user did specifically mention as part of their justification for the edit). For the most part, I had no issues with what they did and mostly cleaned up some grammar/formatting mistakes that had crept in during their edit, as well as add back in some of the deleted information. What they did end up removing, however, was the listing of all the gate numbers by concourse and supplemental/informational notes for each concourse from the "Terminals" subsection of the "Facilities" section. The supplemental notes for Concourse C was where I had mentioned the renovation of C29 and C30 and included the reference you're, well, referring to, so that's where that went.

When I added the gate numbers back in (in a more streamlined format than before, so no more supplemental notes and such), the user removed them again very quickly, claiming that listing gate numbers comes very close to violating WP:NOTTRAVEL. That's probably true, and I don't really care either way. My only counter-argument is that many, many other airport pages have them (including bigger airports than ours), and their inclusion is also inconsistently enforced between pages. Furthermore, it could be argued that while it does indeed come very close to being 'travel guide' level information, simply listing the gate numbers (without specifically attaching airlines using them) in an informational context with each concourse (as was the case before they were removed) just serves to enhance the information in the Facilities section and nothing more.

In any case, I don't think it was some conspiracy where the airport tried to remove said reference or anything like that - it really was just ultimately extraneous/unencyclopedic information and honestly, I don't see it or any of the other 'Notes' coming back.

Interesting to hear about the airport possibly deleting comments. Probably also isn't malicious if that's the case - maybe they just didn't want an argument/off-topic convo on their post or they might've just not wanted the "general public" being the ones to disseminate such information without anything more concrete behind it other than a list of PFC-funded projects for the required FAA application on the airport's website. Maybe the other person simply deleted their comment of their own volition?

Oh, and here's the document in question, should anyone want it (the part about C29/C30 is on pages 5 and 6).

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PostJan 28, 2019#4977

Excellent! Thanks for your prompt reply!

I'll breathe easier. LOL! I just thought it was odd that everything regarding the C gate expansion got deleted!

PostJan 28, 2019#4978

STL Press Conference Tuesday, January 29, 10:00 A.M.

From the Fb page --
St. Louis Lambert International Airport
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With 40 straight months of year-over-year passenger growth, 2018 was a milestone year for the #stlairport! More #avgeek details to be released during a press conference tomorrow at 10:00 AM on the lower level of Terminal 1. ✈️ #flystl #everydaywerehuSTLing

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PostJan 28, 2019#4979

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Excellent! Thanks for your prompt reply!

I'll breathe easier. LOL! I just thought it was odd that everything regarding the C gate expansion got deleted!
They deleted it when they replaced it with the 2018s. After they posted the new one I messaged the person at the bottom to ask about what was going on with the one Trol posted and was told they had just awarded bids. This was in June maybe. Good to see Trol could find the old one. I think I have it on my computer somewhere also.

PostJan 28, 2019#4980

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STL Press Conference Tuesday, January 29, 10:00 A.M.

From the Fb page --
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With 40 straight months of year-over-year passenger growth, 2018 was a milestone year for the #stlairport! More #avgeek details to be released during a press conference tomorrow at 10:00 AM on the lower level of Terminal 1. ✈️ #flystl #everydaywerehuSTLing
The airport hardly has press conferences for anything so I would assume there is more info coming out than some stats.

I emailed the airport the following. They replied with "Most of these questions will be answered tomorrow or asked of us... and we'll answer"

1. I saw the tweet about the press conference tomorrow. Is there more info coming out on it? Or is it just going to be releasing stats? I figure there has to be more to it if they are having a press conference.

2. Any update on the new food establishment coming to T2?

3. Is Sun Country going to sell connections thru MSP? On google flights it shows options like STL-MSP-SEA but when to go to the Sun Country site you can’t book them.

4. Rhonda mentioned in one of the airport commission meetings that you were talking to Iceland air about starting service this year. She acted like you might hear back in January. Is there any update on that? Still possible or probably no flights to Europe in 2019?
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No clue if any huge news like and answer to #4 will come out but I would expect #2 to be answered. Maybe some info on the C renovation. Probably the pick ups and drop offs in T2. Should be interesting either way. Might be kind of a state of the airport thing.

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PostJan 29, 2019#4981

Agreed, if this is a presser SOMETHING will be announced. Also, I noted this will be in the lower level of T1 rather than T2. I assume this will be related to the renovations in C.

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PostJan 29, 2019#4982

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Agreed, if this is a presser SOMETHING will be announced. Also, I noted this will be in the lower level of T1 rather than T2. I assume this will be related to the renovations in C.
Only caveat to that is that they have a stage in T1 permenantly and T2 doesn't really have room for one. I would tend to agree that it probably isn't Southwest related. But who knows.

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PostJan 29, 2019#4983

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They deleted it when they replaced it with the 2018s. After they posted the new one I messaged the person at the bottom to ask about what was going on with the one Trol posted and was told they had just awarded bids. This was in June maybe. Good to see Trol could find the old one. I think I have it on my computer somewhere also.
The old one was the one I was using for the source on Wiki, since it just had to say that renovations were underway, so honestly I just copied the archived link from the edit history lol.

Be interesting to see what the press conference is about. Maybe Spirit or Icelandair have a surprise commencement of service announcement? Probably just some kind of end-of-year statistics reveal, though.

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PostJan 29, 2019#4984

Trololzilla wrote:
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jshank83 wrote:
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They deleted it when they replaced it with the 2018s. After they posted the new one I messaged the person at the bottom to ask about what was going on with the one Trol posted and was told they had just awarded bids. This was in June maybe. Good to see Trol could find the old one. I think I have it on my computer somewhere also.
The old one was the one I was using for the source on Wiki, since it just had to say that renovations were underway, so honestly I just copied the archived link from the edit history lol.

Be interesting to see what the press conference is about. Maybe Spirit or Icelandair have a surprise commencement of service announcement? Probably just some kind of end-of-year statistics reveal, though.
Just so odd they would have a press conference for stats. But nothing else has leaked out. I did hear Contour is probably adding Indy but even if it’s that you would think there would have been a new route tease. We’ll see

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PostJan 29, 2019#4985

Fb post and tweet released at the beginning of the presser. Details on the STL website. Nothing really exciting -- so far. Unless, somebody asks the right question. It's doesn't sound like there's much media coverage of this at all. I didn't see anything on any of the local news sites.

St. Louis Lambert International Airport
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The 2018 #STLairport review: Over 15.6 million passengers served. Peak activity of 259 departures per day, serving 74 non-stop destinations. Connecting enplanements up 18 percent. More details at bit.ly/STLAirportNews #everydaywerehuSTLing #flystl

EOY Stats: 15,632,586 passengers, 5.9% ^

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PostJan 29, 2019#4986

Sorry for the quick topic change, but I have a question:

Does anyone have videos or pictures of the closed-off areas of concourses B/C/D? I know there are several pictures and videos out there, but they give me only a vague idea of what these areas look like.

I am asking this because I've always wondered what these areas looked like. Especially because it seems that these areas are discussed a lot in this forum. I'm new here and I quite like Lambert for its history.

It would be especially awesome if someone with access created a video tour walking from beginning to end of concourse D.

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PostJan 29, 2019#4987

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Fb post and tweet released at the beginning of the presser. Details on the STL website. Nothing really exciting -- so far. Unless, somebody asks the right question. It's doesn't sound like there's much media coverage of this at all. I didn't see anything on any of the local news sites.

St. Louis Lambert International Airport
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The 2018 #STLairport review: Over 15.6 million passengers served. Peak activity of 259 departures per day, serving 74 non-stop destinations. Connecting enplanements up 18 percent. More details at bit.ly/STLAirportNews #everydaywerehuSTLing #flystl

EOY Stats: 15,632,586 passengers, 5.9% ^
I asked the airport for video and they said there is none. How do you do a press conference and not have video?

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PostJan 30, 2019#4988

I know it's ridiculous. The Marketing/PR Dept at STL is surely lacking. I'm always on them to update their "Non Stop Service" page, which is continually out of date -- as it is right now.

Regarding the presser, around 1:30 the P-D posted a story on it, but I didn't see this appearing in their social media anywhere. Now I can't find the story, but I'll look again.

Here's the story KMOX put out at 3:42 p.m. today.https://kmox.radio.com/articles/st-loui ... -year-2003

I'm thinking that even though the numbers were good, they weren't good enough to outpace BNA and AUS. So, maybe, Rhonda and Kitty didn't want anyone there who'd ask an embarrassing question. Also, they'll probably have a much bigger presser in March when the new C gates open and they'll have much more exciting news then.

PostJan 30, 2019#4989

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Sorry for the quick topic change, but I have a question:

Does anyone have videos or pictures of the closed-off areas of concourses B/C/D? I know there are several pictures and videos out there, but they give me only a vague idea of what these areas look like.

I am asking this because I've always wondered what these areas looked like. Especially because it seems that these areas are discussed a lot in this forum. I'm new here and I quite like Lambert for its history.

It would be especially awesome if someone with access created a video tour walking from beginning to end of concourse D.

Here's a Youtube video from several years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMP1Q0Kxf8

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PostJan 30, 2019#4990

frequentflyer wrote:
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Perseus767 wrote:
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Sorry for the quick topic change, but I have a question:

Does anyone have videos or pictures of the closed-off areas of concourses B/C/D? I know there are several pictures and videos out there, but they give me only a vague idea of what these areas look like.

I am asking this because I've always wondered what these areas looked like. Especially because it seems that these areas are discussed a lot in this forum. I'm new here and I quite like Lambert for its history.

It would be especially awesome if someone with access created a video tour walking from beginning to end of concourse D.

Here's a Youtube video from several years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMP1Q0Kxf8
I remember watching that video a while ago. My guess that was shot in the area where E34-E40 are now? I'm not quite sure, haven't been through T2 in years.

The fact that the video is about three minutes long for just a portion of the concourse amazes me. Must have been a hike to get from one side to the other back in the day.

Still, that video takes place over maybe 1/4 of the concourse? Are there any videos of the concourse between gates D2-D26?
I have also seen this one:
But it faces the just the windows, and only lasts only one minute, and amazes me more how long concourse D is.

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PostJan 30, 2019#4991

When my brother and I were in high school, we produced a local origination cable tv show on Double Helix Television (Channel 21 in the City of St. Louis). One of our favorite episodes was entitled “Freaks at the Airport”- a group of us dressed up like weirdos and greeted passengers as they arrived at the gates at Lambert. Not only was it a snapshot of Lambert in its heyday when it was the the main hub of TWA and 8th busiest airport in the country, but it also captured the almost comical lack of security and naïveté of pre-9/11 air travel (1997 to be exact). I mean, we were six high school seniors wearing masks and wigs and hats and sunglasses, and we walked right through security and up to the gates holding camcorders and handmade signs that said “Welcome to St. Louis” without the slightest glare of suspicion. No alarm bells, no pat-downs, no questions- we just walked on through while the TSA agents and passengers laughed and high-fived us. One of our friends was dressed as Santa Claus, and we shot a scene of him having a cigarette break in the smoking lounge of Concourse C (the international terminal in those days). The airport was so BUSY! Passengers rushing around in all directions and whizzing by on the speed ramps to make their connecting flights, long lines at the ticket counters, people gathered at the gates waiting to greet their loved ones, bustling shops and restaurants... Lambert was AWESOME back in those days. Remember that corridor that was lined with simulated airplane windows looking out above the clouds? We even have a clip of those! We once uploadex the episode on YouTube, but since the the entire segment was dubbed with a JB’s song as the soundrack, YouTube took it down because it apparently violated their copyright guidelines. But we still have it on DVD, so swing by our shop and we’ll play it for you sometime!

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PostJan 30, 2019#4992

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That's awesome. Unfortunately, I don't live in STL, but I fly in 2-3 times per year for a few weeks, so it has become my home away from home. I only started visiting regularly around 2010, so I never would have seen the glory days sadly.

Shame Youtube took it down. Maybe I can find time to stop by next time I'm in town.
I wonder if there is another way you can share your episode. Many people, especially I would love to see it.

Anyways, I've got so many questions about Lambert because I absolutely love exploring airports and I am an aviation geek. I would be an annoyance after awhile. Where can I send a list of questions here?

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PostJan 30, 2019#4993

I’ll see if I can figure out a way to download the video on my computer so I can share it. I’m not very good with technology so I’m not holding my breath. In the meantime, feel free direct message me with any questions. I love talking about this s**t too!

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PostJan 30, 2019#4994

Here is a recent one of Terminal 2 from Gate 40 eastward to about Gate 18.

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PostJan 30, 2019#4995

Nice. Big difference after renovation. I assume that T2 is sperated from concourse D by a wall similar to the one halving concourse C?

Also on Google Earth I see gate E40 doesn't have a jetway. Any reason for this?

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PostJan 30, 2019#4996

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Nice. Big difference after renovation. I assume that T2 is sperated from concourse D by a wall similar to the one halving concourse C?
Correct.
Also on Google Earth I see gate E40 doesn't have a jetway. Any reason for this?
The Google Earth satellite imagery is fairly old now, as is the 3D aspect, so I always take everything on there with a grain of salt.

This has been touched on before in this thread, but the reason for the lack of jetbridge at E40 is that Southwest basically had no use for it (at the time), and it's a tight squeeze since the waiting area is the same for both E38/E40, so it's verytight there. I've flown out of E38 before, and I can't imagine it'd be possible for two departing flights to use those gates simultaneously. They are in the process of installing a jetway there now though, as far as I'm aware. But again, since the space is so tight, they likely will have to stagger arrivals/departures out of those two gates.

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PostJan 30, 2019#4997

Perseus767 wrote:
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frequentflyer wrote:
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Here's a Youtube video from several years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMP1Q0Kxf8
I remember watching that video a while ago. My guess that was shot in the area where E34-E40 are now? I'm not quite sure, haven't been through T2 in years.

The fact that the video is about three minutes long for just a portion of the concourse amazes me. Must have been a hike to get from one side to the other back in the day.

Still, that video takes place over maybe 1/4 of the concourse? Are there any videos of the concourse between gates D2-D26?
I have also seen this one:
But it faces the just the windows, and only lasts only one minute, and amazes me more how long concourse D is.
Actually, the Elevator Channel video is between D8 and D12. It's the second of six moving walkways you would have encountered if you entered D by the most usual path: from the C/D security checkpoint in what is now T1. The video starts at D12, where he gets on the walkway. The curved wall on the left would probably have been all skylight at one time, but they covered over the middle part of it. Possibly to control heat. I'm surprised the sign doesn't mention any D gates, but there really aren't that many west of it in his direction of travel. Most are the other way. The first and third walkways go through narrower parts of the concourse that are less interseting. The fourth and fifth are much shorter. (The fifth being the inactive one near the end of what is now E. Right by the restrooms. The wall might well still be right in the middle of it.) The sixth is the active one in E. Realizing that there are six of those, four of which are similarly long, should give you an idea of the linear size of the concourse. In spite of which it only ever had maybe twenty gates at its maximum extent. (The last couple being I believe in that large walled off area inside E between 33 and 34.)
stlgasm wrote: When my brother and I were in high school, we produced a local origination cable tv show on Double Helix Television (Channel 21 in the City of St. Louis). One of our favorite episodes was entitled “Freaks at the Airport”- a group of us dressed up like weirdos and greeted passengers as they arrived at the gates at Lambert. Not only was it a snapshot of Lambert in its heyday when it was the the main hub of TWA and 8th busiest airport in the country, but it also captured the almost comical lack of security and naïveté of pre-9/11 air travel (1997 to be exact). I mean, we were six high school seniors wearing masks and wigs and hats and sunglasses, and we walked right through security and up to the gates holding camcorders and handmade signs that said “Welcome to St. Louis” without the slightest glare of suspicion. No alarm bells, no pat-downs, no questions- we just walked on through while the TSA agents and passengers laughed and high-fived us. One of our friends was dressed as Santa Claus, and we shot a scene of him having a cigarette break in the smoking lounge of Concourse C (the international terminal in those days). The airport was so BUSY! Passengers rushing around in all directions and whizzing by on the speed ramps to make their connecting flights, long lines at the ticket counters, people gathered at the gates waiting to greet their loved ones, bustling shops and restaurants... Lambert was AWESOME back in those days. Remember that corridor that was lined with simulated airplane windows looking out above the clouds? We even have a clip of those! We once uploadex the episode on YouTube, but since the the entire segment was dubbed with a JB’s song as the soundrack, YouTube took it down because it apparently violated their copyright guidelines. But we still have it on DVD, so swing by our shop and we’ll play it for you sometime!
I, for one, would love to see that video. Not sure where your store is. PM me and I'll stop by. Would even be willing to help edit it so you can put it back up. (I have music I'd be happy to provide for free, though nothing as nifty as what you've got.) There's also quite a bit of music on YouTube now that you can use royalty free. And I know some other musicians that might also be willing to lend a hand. (Electronic, mixological, classical, bluegrass, you name it.) If you have the original raw video . . .

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PostJan 30, 2019#4998

Thanks for the replies. Looking forward to seeing that video.

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PostJan 30, 2019#4999

Here is a cool pic that someone recently posted on Reddit:

https://i0.wp.com/i.pinimg.com/original ... b95edd.jpg

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PostJan 30, 2019#5000

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Here is a cool pic that someone recently posted on Reddit:

https://i0.wp.com/i.pinimg.com/original ... b95edd.jpg
Sigh...

I remember those days well. I also remember the days of piped-in Muzak music playing over the loudspeakers in the airport too, but I'm old :)

It's funny how back in the busy days of STL, I never thought that it wouldn't be that way. Too bad I never thought to take a bunch of pictures or video.

I remember most airport details, so any specific questions I might be able to answer.

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