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jshank83 wrote:I know we are trying to keep this as just STL but because this probably had a direct impact on us and is airport related, I am going to post it in here. Too bad they didn't stop him sooner. Maybe we would have gotten the flight instead.

Nashville Airport CEO fired.

- The board’s complaints about Wigington centered on accusations that he kept board members in the dark on big decisions.

- The $2.6 million in incentives for British Airways was a new revelation. Wigington’s contract required board approval for such large payments, according to the document spelling out reasons for termination.

- The incentives included marketing funds and waiving airline fees over the next two years for British Airways.


http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2 ... 775928001/

That is a huge deal... anyway the flight could fall trough?


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Interesting is seeing Southwest make a few firsts out of here lately with that flight and this app they are working on. Guessing reasons they'd test it out here as well is due to having grabbing a higher amount of local business travelers than most places due to being the dominant carrier here and having a banked hub structure that depending on the app could help those connecting here.

The Nashville situation does make the BA announcement a couple months ago seem less of a negative for here. One the amount mentioned, wasn't that more than what was reported before? Either that or some numbers include waived landing fees as part of it and others don't. Wonder if the local airport officials knew what was going on there with this situation and if the recent announcement of new incentive money that dwarfs the amount they offered is in part to clear things up next go around. Which isn't it BA wasn't strongly considering anywhere else but here when they decided on Nashville?

Southwest's next schedule extension comes out soon.

I'd expect to see some adds here. My guesses are:

• BDL JAX

imperialmog wrote: ↑

Oct 20, 2017

The Nashville situation does make the BA announcement a couple months ago seem less of a negative for here. One the amount mentioned, wasn't that more than what was reported before? Either that or some numbers include waived landing fees as part of it and others don't. Wonder if the local airport officials knew what was going on there with this situation and if the recent announcement of new incentive money that dwarfs the amount they offered is in part to clear things up next go around. Which isn't it BA wasn't strongly considering anywhere else but here when they decided on Nashville?

I thought it was reported at 1.5 mil initially. Unless like you said some factor landing fees into the new 2.5 mil number.

Chalupas54 wrote: Southwest's next schedule extension comes out soon.

I'd expect to see some adds here. My guesses are:

• BDL JAX

JAX I could see being seasonal like the CHS route. I would guess CHS and PNS both come back. I can't really think of any other routes that stand out unless they expand CVG. I am not sure they are ready to do that yet though. Whenever Southwest does add CVG, I will be curious to see how long Delta stays on the route.

I wish they would have added JAX already. I just found out this week I might need to go down in February and the prices are crappy. I might end up taking allegiant. I am not super excited for that. Has anyone else flown them? How was it?

I have heard that the BNA airport board might enter renegotiation with British Airways, because the airport allegedly cannot afford the incentives that were offered.


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I fly out of T1 almost every week at different times of the day and days of the week (never on weekends though) - there are lines on security but they tend to move really fast. Having short security lines and almost no traffic airiport-downtown really is a fantastic amenity compared to other places where I have lived in the past. I work downtown and can typically budget 40 min max from my office to the gate my flight is at.

Interesting article tracing the history of Lambert and a bit about its future:

https://community.infinite-flight.com/t ... uis/156766

2017 2nd Qtr PDEW numbers are out.

Interestingly, they are down overall from 2016 2nd Qtr. This isn't exact since they use a 10% sampling and I didn't include the smallest routes. (I already halved the numbers)

10 biggest gainers (Raw numbers)

City....passenger change....Change Percentage
Phoenix, AZ ....81 ....25.31%
Fort Myers, FL ....38 ....29.92%
New York City, NY (Metropolitan Area) .... 34 ....4.14%
Orlando, FL .... 27 ....5.21%
Boston, MA (Metropolitan Area) ....16.... 4.62%
Miami, FL (Metropolitan Area) .... 15 ....5.28%
Portland, OR ....12 ....8.33%
Denver, CO ....10 ....1.85%
Charlotte, NC .... 9 ....5.92%
Nashville, TN ....8....10.26%

10 biggest losers....reverse order.... (Raw Numbers)

San Diego, CA .... -15.... -6.58%
San Francisco, CA (Metropolitan Area).... -19.... -4.48%
Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN .... -19.... -5.54%
Kansas City, MO .... -20.... -15.75%
Tampa, FL (Metropolitan Area) .... -23.... -9.16%
Las Vegas, NV .... -26.... -5.28%
Chicago, IL .... -29.... -4.64%
Houston, TX .... -31.... -9.25%
Los Angeles, CA (Metropolitan Area).... -43.... -6.48%
Washington, DC (Metropolitan Area).... -69.... -9.39%

Link to my spreadsheet:



There are 4 tabs.
Past year from 1st Qtr 2017
Past year from 2nd Qtr 2017
Change from 2016 2nd Qtr vs 2017 2nd Qtr
Raw Numbers

One caveat in relation to this that could distort the number. Easter was March 27 last year and April 16 this year so that could have distorted some traffic patterns. Why i've seen a lot of times to combine March/April numbers together for year over year comparisons to not have the variable date of Easter throw things off.

imperialmog wrote: ↑

Oct 23, 2017

One caveat in relation to this that could distort the number. Easter was March 27 last year and April 16 this year so that could have distorted some traffic patterns. Why i've seen a lot of times to combine March/April numbers together for year over year comparisons to not have the variable date of Easter throw things off.

That is true, good thought. When I get a chance I am going to go back and add in 1st qtr 2016 to the chart, I had planned on doing that anyways so I had the full year.

The 2017 Freightway Multimodal Transportation List was approved this morning by the board of the East-West Gateway Council of Governments. Cargo improvements to St. Louis Lambert International Airport may include:

1. Constructing a 1,200-foot long railroad spur from Norfolk Southern mainline track to connect to the Northern Tract of the airport. The spur would support the 60-acre logistics and air cargo center under development at this site. Estimated cost
is $2.5 million.

2. Rebuilding Banshee Road in order to accommodate heavy commercial truck traffic. Estimated cost is $9.1 million.

3. Reconstruction of the intersection of McDonnell Boulevard and Airport Road. The project would correct roadway geometry, eliminate difficult turning movements, and meet updated design standards in order to accommodate current and future users. Estimated cost is $3 million.

4. Construct a full-strength concrete taxiway capable of supporting the largest jets. It will provide common-use access to Trans States Airlines and Airport Terminal Services ramps, as well as the Bi-National Air Cargo ramp. The Missouri Department of
Transportation has partnered with the airport to finance the Taxiway Victor Connection and will issue a grant to fund construction of the $6.1 million project.

Learn more: http://www.thefreightway.com/wp-content ... sFINAL.pdf

Matthew Hibbard wrote: ↑

Oct 25, 2017

The 2017 Freightway Multimodal Transportation List was approved this morning by the board of the East-West Gateway Council of Governments. Cargo improvements to St. Louis Lambert International Airport may include:

Is there a timeline on when this will be done? I think they are already working on the taxiways, aren't they?

I just noticed one of Alaska's 2 nonstops a day from Seattle turns into a redeye mid march. We will have 3 going at that point in time. AA from LAX and Frontier from LAS.

Trololzilla wrote: ↑

Oct 26, 2017

Spirit is looking to add 3 destinations from FLL in the next year: one international and two to mid-size U.S. cities. I wouldn't think it's STL, but worth noting.

(Article cited in tweet is behind a paywall):

I don't really want it to be us but I wouldn't be shocked if it was. Not a whole lot of cities left to choose from. CVG and AUS have a bunch of ULCC service already. IND is an Allegiant focus city. Us and BNA probably have the least ULCC of mid sized cities, so it wouldn't surprise me if we are the two that get it. Maybe CMH or MKE but I kind of doubt those 2 are high on the list.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Oct 27, 2017

imperialmog wrote: ↑

Oct 23, 2017

One caveat in relation to this that could distort the number. Easter was March 27 last year and April 16 this year so that could have distorted some traffic patterns. Why i've seen a lot of times to combine March/April numbers together for year over year comparisons to not have the variable date of Easter throw things off.

You were right. I added in the 1st qtr of 2016. Then did it as 1st half 2016 vs 1st half 2017 and it was a lot closer. I added in a 1st half 2016 vs 2017 comparison tab.

Nothing stood out besides PHX was way up and TPA was way down. I think it was because Frontier ended TPA and started PHX last winter. This upcoming winter they flipped it back so they should reverse. Milwaukee was down a fair amount also which surprised me. Des Moines and Wichita were also way up due to starting nonstops last April.

It would be interesting to see how strong stimulative effect on adding a nonstop and ULCC entry is.

Milwaukee i think has to do with they reduced frequency from 2x to 1x at some point in that timeframe (not sure exactly) due to starting some routes from MKE elsewhere to shift traffic. The 2nd freuqency returns at some point soon if not already, so that would change things again.This does seem to show how much demand can be done from nonstop flights.

This is somewhat off topic but can someone post a layout of the high-number C concourse gates? I tried to find the link on the airport website but couldn't find it. I was flying AA the other day and couldn't get beyond C-24. I just wanted to see what was back there since they are renovating the space.

If anyone has any pics that may jog my memory as well.

bds520 wrote: ↑

Oct 27, 2017

This is somewhat off topic but can someone post a layout of the high-number C concourse gates? I tried to find the link on the airport website but couldn't find it. I was flying AA the other day and couldn't get beyond C-24. I just wanted to see what was back there since they are renovating the space.

If anyone has any pics that may jog my memory as well.

Have they started renovating already? I knew they were talking about it but I am never in C to know.

Here are the floorplans.





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This really should have happened ages ago and just shows the lengths and expense the company has gone to cater to the ex-TWA employees. The S1113 (abrogation) process and CBA in 2012 allowed the closure to proceed, but I’m sure the litigious TWA types will be happy to cost the company a ton of money and enrich some legal counsel in the process.

Nothing operationally will change, as it is many of the trips begin as deadheads to MIA/ORD whereby the local crews get duty paid to fly as passengers and assume flying that the other bases rightly own.

Meanwhile the SLT (not a typo) F/A base will remain with 200 LAA crew members, over half are nAAtives and the balance are ex-TW. The lengthy transfer list into SLT will likely never get cleared and many of the employees will end their careers at a non-SLT base.

Again this is all operational and won’t have any direct implications for STL travelers, but may hinder mainline service recovery a bit as there won’t be local reserves. As it is so much of the flying has transitioned to regional and legacy US operated equipment which do not have a base or large operations at Lambert.

If i'm not mistaken, isn't AA putting a 737 maintenance base here? I would picture that would also impact scheduling to having a schedule that skews towards those so they can rotate them in and out for work.

Also the drawing and mention of work starting past C24, guessing this is likely space needed for airlines not currently here to come in?

There is already 737-8 line maintenance being done and that will continue. The Kasher arbitration award (integration of TWA employees) for the fleet service and aircraft maintenance classification is different from the award given to the pilots. The F/As, OTOH, legitimately were the only group who got stapled, that is everyone was added below the list of nAAtives in place on 4/10/2001.

STL most recently began seeing the 738 type with regularity in 11/2013, replacing the 757s on the MIA route and certain DFW services. Prior to that from 2004-2013 there was NO scheduled 738 service to STL, mainline scheduled types were only the S80 and 757.