If Washington DC can handle it: so can we. Let's see how they turn out before we say St. Louis is incapable.leeharveyawesome wrote:I'm all for it but you got to wonder if St. Louis City has the type of people who can handle it. Any weed related business would basically have to built like a prison as far as security goes. Any pot dispensary would almost surely be built or configured as smash and grab proof. We certainly don't have the type of people who can handle the libertarian like gun laws that Missouri has. Washington and Colorado have a very different population than the city of St. Louis. It's all good on paper though. Reality might be a different story unfortunately. It would be terrible if St. Louis came along and proved to the critics that legalized marijuana wasn't a great idea. That would suck.
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I would venture most drug-related violent crime is connected to a variety of drugs rather than solely marijuana distribution. Legalization would probably reduce some interactions between garden-variety drug users who just want some pot and the hardcore pushers who deal in heroin and cocaine, which I can only see as a net positive as it would reduce the likelihood of robberies and escalations. But I also would imagine that many folks would continue to use private dealers to obtain varieties, amounts, and prices unavailable in the legal market.
Does anyone have an update on marijuana legalization in Missouri? Where are we in the process?
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None of the petitions made it on the ballot due to lack of signatures. From my knowledge of the signature campaigns, they were pretty incompetently run.moorlander wrote:Does anyone have an update on marijuana legalization in Missouri? Where are we in the process?
There goes the plant science hub.Ebsy wrote:None of the petitions made it on the ballot due to lack of signatures. From my knowledge of the signature campaigns, they were pretty incompetently run.moorlander wrote:Does anyone have an update on marijuana legalization in Missouri? Where are we in the process?
Do you have a source? New Approach Missouri turned in 275,000 signatures.Ebsy wrote:None of the petitions made it on the ballot due to lack of signatures. From my knowledge of the signature campaigns, they were pretty incompetently run.
http://www.kspr.com/content/news/Medica ... 78472.htmlThey have collected 275,000 signatures for legalizing medical marijuana. 14,000 of those have just been verified in Greene County alone. But the group needs more. More than 150,000 need to be verified to get it on the ballot.
"The feed back that we've gotten so far is we should well exceed that number," said Winters.
Well that's good news - I signed it a few months ago and they said they were getting a lot of signatures when I asked.
Didn't make it on the ballot due to tons of invalidated signatures. Not surprising at all.
They did say that they have a lawyer who's trying to get 2200 of the 11K (I think that's what I heard on NPR) of the invalid signatures approved that would be enough signatures.
FWIW I was talking to the guy who runs one of the grow operations in Chesterfield and he told me he believes recreational will be legal in MO in 5 years.
This is the one state that allows for home distilling, but we can't grow a plant.
The study found that marijuana legalization led to 18,005 new jobs in 2015, and netted $996 million in sales and $121 million in taxes.
http://www.ksdk.com/mb/money/business/s ... /343779591
http://www.ksdk.com/mb/money/business/s ... /343779591
A push to legalize marijuana in St. Louis
POLITICS
ALDERWOMAN FILES BILL TO 'EFFECTIVELY LEGALIZE' MARIJUANA IN ST. LOUIS
The bill would prohibit the use of city resources to enforce laws prohibiting the use of marijuana.
Author:
Casey Nolen
Published:
10:36 PM CDT October 24, 2017
A city alderwoman has filed a bill that will “effectively legalize” marijuana in the city of St. Louis Five On Your Side has learned.
Ward 15 Alderwoman Megan Green says she has filed a bill that will be introduced Friday at the Board of Alderman meeting. The bill would prohibit the use of city resources to enforce laws prohibiting the use of marijuana.
http://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news ... /485726517
If any city would benefit from legal weed it's St. Louis. If they could find a way to tax and regulate it. Tourism would be a huge draw in the mostly conservative Central time zone. Only problem is the state legislature would strike this down with the quickness.moorlander wrote: ↑Oct 25, 2017A push to legalize marijuana in St. Louis
POLITICS
ALDERWOMAN FILES BILL TO 'EFFECTIVELY LEGALIZE' MARIJUANA IN ST. LOUIS
The bill would prohibit the use of city resources to enforce laws prohibiting the use of marijuana.
Author:
Casey Nolen
Published:
10:36 PM CDT October 24, 2017
A city alderwoman has filed a bill that will “effectively legalize” marijuana in the city of St. Louis Five On Your Side has learned.
Ward 15 Alderwoman Megan Green says she has filed a bill that will be introduced Friday at the Board of Alderman meeting. The bill would prohibit the use of city resources to enforce laws prohibiting the use of marijuana.
http://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news ... /485726517
At this point it wouldn't be a huge tourist boom but I think it would still be a boon for St. Louis' main streets. Since it tends to be sold in dedicated, licensed stores, this would mean that many more storefronts filled/activated on Cherokee, The Grove, Midtown Alley, S. Grand, East Loop, maybe Downtown or Soulard, etc...
Maybe boon is a bit too strong, but like states where wine and liquor isn't sold in grocery stores, it's one more dedicated storefront helping generated foot-traffic and stability for business districts.
Maybe boon is a bit too strong, but like states where wine and liquor isn't sold in grocery stores, it's one more dedicated storefront helping generated foot-traffic and stability for business districts.
Everyone still forgets Marijuana is still not healthy for people. It kills brains cells and is bad for the lungs. In a city whose residents are filled with health problems we are going to add another layer.
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I propose we require employers to provide standing desks.downtown2007 wrote: ↑Oct 25, 2017Everyone still forgets Marijuana is still not healthy for people. It kills brains cells and is bad for the lungs. In a city whose residents are filled with health problems we are going to add another layer.
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Add another layer? Marijuana is readily available now in STL.downtown2007 wrote: ↑Oct 25, 2017Everyone still forgets Marijuana is still not healthy for people. It kills brains cells and is bad for the lungs. In a city whose residents are filled with health problems we are going to add another layer.
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Dude. Did you grow up in 1937?
"Itl tear our society apart!"
Edit - eh sorry, Lil rude. I just don't think we should limit what people are permitted to engage in and do to their own bodies.
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"Itl tear our society apart!"
Edit - eh sorry, Lil rude. I just don't think we should limit what people are permitted to engage in and do to their own bodies.
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The "bad for the lungs" argument doesn't really hold water considering cigarettes aren't illegal and a lot of people that use marijuana don't smoke it.
I'm trying to think of a way this would be good to lure people to invest in Metro East... it'd be better for us to maybe turn downtown East STL into a cooler/hip area to smoke... however, I could see how this could turn the east side to a weirder place than it already is... 
This is from 2014. Not 1937.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4827335/
in case you don't feel like reading it:
CONCLUSIONS
Marijuana use has been associated with substantial adverse effects, some of which have been determined with a high level of confidence (Table 2). Marijuana, like other drugs of abuse, can result in addiction. During intoxication, marijuana can interfere with cognitive function (e.g., memory and perception of time) and motor function (e.g., coordination), and these effects can have detrimental consequences (e.g., motor-vehicle accidents). Repeated marijuana use during adolescence may result in long-lasting changes in brain function that can jeopardize educational, professional, and social achievements. However, the effects of a drug (legal or illegal) on individual health are determined not only by its pharmacologic properties but also by its availability and social acceptability. In this respect, legal drugs (alcohol and tobacco) offer a sobering perspective, accounting for the greatest burden of disease associated with drugs77 not because they are more dangerous than illegal drugs but because their legal status allows for more widespread exposure. As policy shifts toward legalization of marijuana, it is reasonable and probably prudent to hypothesize that its use will increase and that, by extension, so will the number of persons for whom there will be negative health consequences.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4827335/
in case you don't feel like reading it:
CONCLUSIONS
Marijuana use has been associated with substantial adverse effects, some of which have been determined with a high level of confidence (Table 2). Marijuana, like other drugs of abuse, can result in addiction. During intoxication, marijuana can interfere with cognitive function (e.g., memory and perception of time) and motor function (e.g., coordination), and these effects can have detrimental consequences (e.g., motor-vehicle accidents). Repeated marijuana use during adolescence may result in long-lasting changes in brain function that can jeopardize educational, professional, and social achievements. However, the effects of a drug (legal or illegal) on individual health are determined not only by its pharmacologic properties but also by its availability and social acceptability. In this respect, legal drugs (alcohol and tobacco) offer a sobering perspective, accounting for the greatest burden of disease associated with drugs77 not because they are more dangerous than illegal drugs but because their legal status allows for more widespread exposure. As policy shifts toward legalization of marijuana, it is reasonable and probably prudent to hypothesize that its use will increase and that, by extension, so will the number of persons for whom there will be negative health consequences.
^It seems you could swap out marijuana for alcohol in that write up and it would be exactly the same. So, it should probably be regulated similarly as well, which would mean no sale to minors (or those under 21) and no operating of motor vehicles while intoxicated. Pretty straight forward.
It’s a proven fact that inhaling marijuana smoke me into the lungs causes emphysema and cancer. I know people that have been smoking it since they were a teenager and can’t walk up 3 flights of stairs.wabash wrote:The "bad for the lungs" argument doesn't really hold water considering cigarettes aren't illegal and a lot of people that use marijuana don't smoke it.
I am all for using taxing mechanisms to curb behaviors that is harmful to our health. Soda tax, high taxes on cigarettes, etc.
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