Seems to me that places like Amsterdam and Vancouver have no trouble with their reputations...
...or Denver, or Boston, or San Fran, or anyone decriminalizing it (India, Canada, Massachusetts, Colorado, California, Oregon, Nebraska, New York, Maine, Michigan, Ohio, Alaska, North Carolina, Mississippi, Minnesota), or Australia, or Spain, or...
Point is, making it decriminalized or legal will not affect our reputation at all. We would not be alone.
JuiceInDogtown wrote:^ My residential street in Dogtown was salted and plowed this morning.
Juice, you are a troll, always have been, always will be.
I live in the city, and have been driving from my house on the Hill to wash U. I am yet to see a plowed street, and that includes Hampton, Fyler, Clayton, and Skinker. If your street is special good for you.
drunkrusski wrote:Juice, you are a troll, always have been, always will be.
That was uncalled for, man.
I don't like sliding along the city's side streets either, but many city streets will not accommodate a snowplow. I don't see how Juice is trolling if he says his street was plowed and salted, I don't see how this is a sign that the city is in decline, and I'm not really sure what all of this has to do with legalizing marijuana anyway.
That said, I agree with your take on legalization. I think law enforcement and citizens alike would benefit if police could focus on more serious offenses.
Seems to me that places like Amsterdam and Vancouver have no trouble with their reputations...
...or Denver, or Boston, or San Fran, or anyone decriminalizing it (India, Canada, Massachusetts, Colorado, California, Oregon, Nebraska, New York, Maine, Michigan, Ohio, Alaska, North Carolina, Mississippi, Minnesota), or Australia, or Spain, or...
Point is, making it decriminalized or legal will not affect our reputation at all. We would not be alone.
Wow. I didn't realize that many places had decriminalized it. Kudos to those cities and states. I'm assuming there are amount limits, which I'm fine with. I am being serious, please don't take that as sarcasm.
Decriminalize it and criminalize demolition of historical buildings and I'm in. A little tit for tat for me.
JuiceInDogtown wrote:^ My residential street in Dogtown was salted and plowed this morning.
Juice, you are a troll, always have been, always will be.
Yes, 3 years as a member and 1800 posts, I am the worst kind of troll; the kind that disagrees with stupid comments like "the city is in decline" because the streets around you weren't plowed.
Actually, I remember reading something not too long ago saying how Amsterdam was going to try a new marketing approach to try to shed it's "bad" image with the weed and prostitution. However, I think people are looking way too far into the whole image thing. Our image won't change and we probably won't get new residents because we made weed legal. The biggest benefit that will come out of it is that maybe, just maybe, we won't lose as many residents to the grave over it. Weed itself may not kill people, but bullets over control of it sure do.
Legalizing would bring a lot of good people back to the good side of the veiw of law, creating more cooperation with law enforcement to ensure the needed laws are better enforced.
Legalize prostitution while you're at it. Then we will do away with pimps and the state can enforce rules on them, like getting weekly STD tests, etc. Not to mention doing away with a lot of serial killers, since they tend to prey on prostitutes.
LOL!! Doug reminds me of that guy on Howard Stern.. King of All Blacks.
by the way, about the snow thing, Wydown and other Clayton streets were AWFUL, just like the city streets, and we all know Clayton has one plow per road in that city, so save the "chip on the should" the city has no ability to plow crap. btw, i wonder how many miles of streets there are in stl city? probably more than the entire state.
A member of the St. Louis Board of Aldermen has begun discussing a proposal likely to catch the attention of the region. The member (no gender hint here) is considering a new municipal ordinance that would make the possession of a small amount of marijuana a summary offense (a relatively minor criminal charge) or even decriminalize it, making violators subject to fines, not jail time. The change, which would require the cooperation of the St. Louis circuit attorney and the city counselor, would be aimed at freeing up the court dockets of the most minor of drug cases in the City of St. Louis, emptying out jail cells now holding some drug offenders awaiting jury trials, and refocusing the attention of law enforcers on more serious drug offenses.
This proposal may not be a radical one. Although some jurisdictions have completely decriminalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana, requiring offenders to surrender their stashes and pay the equivalent of parking fines, others, like Philadelphia, have made the possession of 30 grams (a little more than an ounce) or less of marijuana subject to civil summary charges, with fines in the $200 to $300 range. Violators in the City of Brotherly Love will still be arrested, handcuffed, searched, detained and fingerprinted, but they will be referred to municipal nuisance-type courts (the same sorts of courts to which unruly Phillies and Eagles fans are sent).
It is not clear if the St. Louis local legislator's proposal will reach the stage of a board bill anytime soon or if the Board of Alderman (or local prosecutors and police officials) will support it, but MayorSlay.com is willing to put the matter before its readers to collect your opinions. Before you complain that the results of an unscientific poll conducted on the Internet are neither fully representative nor usefully predictive, please be assured that we know that. These weekly polls do not set policy. They simply spark your civic discussion. Dude.
has anything else been said about this? bumping because in California, possession of an ounce or less has been reduced from a misdemeanor to an infraction:
SACRAMENTO, CALIF. - California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) signed a bill Thursday that will downgrade possession of an ounce or less of marijuana from a misdemeanor to an infraction.
The measure will keep most marijuana-related cases from going to court, and Schwarzenegger cited the state's budget woes for his decision.
"Possession of less than an ounce of marijuana is an infraction in everything but name," he wrote in a signing message, adding, "In this time of drastic budget cuts, prosecutors, defense attorneys, law enforcement and the courts cannot afford to expend limited resources prosecuting a crime that carries the same punishment as a traffic ticket."
When the law takes effect Jan. 1, the penalty for marijuana possession will remain a fine of up to $100 but no longer carry jail time.
and of course, next month they're voting on legalization.
Someone yesterday asked me to sign a petition about legalizing marijuana. They were going door to door in Tower Grove South. Is there an actual campaign underway?
stlwriterman wrote:Someone yesterday asked me to sign a petition about legalizing marijuana. They were going door to door in Tower Grove South. Is there an actual campaign underway?
not that i know of. did they say what organization they were with, if any?
stlwriterman wrote:Someone yesterday asked me to sign a petition about legalizing marijuana. They were going door to door in Tower Grove South. Is there an actual campaign underway?
not that i know of. did they say what organization they were with, if any?
Was in a hurry so I didn't ask. Should have. But let's just say they didn't seem like professional signature-gatherers, more like they may have a rooting interest in the topic.
Personally, I'm benignly indifferent to whether someone's smoking a bowl at their home, not around their kids, and not driving stoned. My only issues with it are the source of the pot, considering all the problems of drug gangs in Mexico terrorizing the populace, especially near the borders. Weird as it sounds, Buy American means a whole lot here. Otherwise, this could do a whole lot for clearing up the dockets in the City for possession charges, and it could potentially be a tax revenue source for the coffers.
Of concern: Outstate MO voters already loathe us Cityfolk, and that it's fun to ignore StL & KC (just ask Jay Nixon). Could such legislation further isolate the City from the general state electorate on major issues, or further drive an idea that the City is not to be supported? I'm thinking of infrastructure funding and support for urban redevelopment projects not being supported by outstate voters who would think StL is all about "Littering and... littering and... littering and smoking the reefer."
Doug wrote:Most of our pot probably comes from California or British Columbia, dude.
rest assured probably 80% of pot (NOT A VERIFIED STATISTIC DURR) in any given area of the US (excluding california) is going to be from mexico. higher grade stuff could be a different story, but the crap teenagers buy is coming straight from our neighbors to the south or any given national forest.
just gonna throw it out there: let's not turn this into "that thread". it hasn't happened yet, but it always does. so if anybody is thinking about going there, please don't.
Nerfdude wrote:rest assured probably 80% of pot (NOT A VERIFIED STATISTIC DURR)
How can I rest assured, if it isn't verified?
However, I would feel better about the sources if legalization allowed the growing of plants. Just to decriminalize its use is going to create a lot more demand for Mexican product. I don't see the feds allowing commercial grow fields. And if you think the farmers have trouble now with meth heads stealing & tampering with their chemical tanks, imagine how they are going to keep those darned kids out of their fields. But on the plus side, it would probably mean we could eliminate a lot of farm subsidies.
Missouri joins California, Mass, Colorado, Washinton, and Oregon.
The initiative would:
Remove marijuana from the state's schedule of controlled substances;
Legalize marijuana possession by adults over 21 (no amount specified);
Legalize the cultivation of up to 100 square feet of marijuana for personal use;
Allow for licensed commercial marijuana cultivation and sales;
Allow the legislature to enact a tax of up to $100 a pound on marijuana sold for personal use;
Allow for medical marijuana use with a doctor's recommendation and apply protections to doctors and patients;
Allow employers to fire workers who are impaired on the job;
Make no changes to impaired driving laws; and
Allow for the production of industrial hemp.