I don't get this fascination with shipping container architecture. Those things aren't made to last; after a few years they're gonna start looking pretty shabby. Hell, they look pretty shabby to start with. Why not start from scratch?
My two cents is that NGA is going to a bigger driver then most people would think and somewhere within in the world of Amazon Logistics is someone who thinks that the world premier's mapping agency building for the future in St Louis is worth something. The Amazon person might not be high enough in the food change to tip a decision but having NGA stay within the city, its new location & facilities and believe will have an expanding in head count over time will be a driver for West Downtown without a doubt.
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i've seen some pretty sweet-looking examples in San Francisco that i would love to have here. nothing is made to last anymore/things last as long as they're maintained.
i've seen some pretty sweet-looking examples in San Francisco that i would love to have here.
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things last as long as they're maintained.
Is that the one over on Octavia and Hayes? ^
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^ yep. it's in the Hayes Valley retail stretch.
Having just read the article from stltoday, my only concern is the developer said part of the project is contingent on historic tax credits. Does anyone know what we have available, and how much is being asked for in tax credits from other projects? I can put together a lil math on it if someone can point me in the right direction for the info
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Would love to see some new construction like that hotel on Jefferson and the shipping containers look great. Maybe the NGA will spur this Is Jefferson going to be beautified at all as a result?
The shipping container thing will have 80 containers and be just north of Where the Parking Garage and Hotel is going to go. Basically, all of the lots West of Jefferson surrounding the Beaumont Building to the East and to the North will be built on. Great!
This years htc's have been allocated. The developer will probably be in line for next years allocation around July 2018.user28 wrote: ↑Oct 25, 2017Having just read the article from stltoday, my only concern is the developer said part of the project is contingent on historic tax credits. Does anyone know what we have available, and how much is being asked for in tax credits from other projects? I can put together a lil math on it if someone can point me in the right direction for the info
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This is the whole site plan based on the Post Dispatch Story. Shipping Containers to the North. Hotel on Jefferson and Locust. Parking Garage Next door and, the building we already know, the telephone Building. This doesn’t include the Mendenhall Building
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Personally, I could see Jefferson benefiting greatly if the MetroLink goes down it. Even though it would turn onto Delmar, this area would benefit. Locust in particular could benefit greatly and become Downtown’s second Washington Avenue, only better since it connects to Mid Town Alley.
Personally, I could see Jefferson benefiting greatly if the MetroLink goes down it. Even though it would turn onto Delmar, this area would benefit. Locust in particular could benefit greatly and become Downtown’s second Washington Avenue, only better since it connects to Mid Town Alley.
Removing both turn lanes at this intersection and installing a full crosswalk would greatly improve this intersection.
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Unless the MOLEG cuts HTCs I don't think they have to worry about that end; New Markets might be more competitive. What's interesting here is though is that it looks like they are working with some partners on part of the project and different partners on others. so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the pieces are delayed. But it looks like the Mendenhall rehab in Downtown West is ready to get started and that alone will be a boost: the other stuff across the Jefferson divide in Midtown would be icing on the cake.user28 wrote: ↑Oct 25, 2017Having just read the article from stltoday, my only concern is the developer said part of the project is contingent on historic tax credits. Does anyone know what we have available, and how much is being asked for in tax credits from other projects? I can put together a lil math on it if someone can point me in the right direction for the info
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I could see the telephone building taking a while to get in order, but the hotel and container park look like they could be brought to fruition with much less friction (and together being from developers that have collaborated before)
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Couple things run through my mindchriss752 wrote: ↑Oct 25, 2017This is the whole site plan based on the Post Dispatch Story. Shipping Containers to the North. Hotel on Jefferson and Locust. Parking Garage Next door and, the building we already know, the telephone Building. This doesn’t include the Mendenhall Building
Personally, I could see Jefferson benefiting greatly if the MetroLink goes down it. Even though it would turn onto Delmar, this area would benefit. Locust in particular could benefit greatly and become Downtown’s second Washington Avenue, only better since it connects to Mid Town Alley.
I think development going forward, especially hotel & garage part, would suggest a high degree of confidence from capital/finance markets of Wells Fargo Securities firmly planted and maybe even expanding over time in West Downtown/Mid Town Alley. At same time, this development helps reaffirm and maybe help convince Wells Fargo Securities to continue to expand
Second, I rather see N-S focus stay squarely on a downtown routing for both north/south city & country residents whether it be connecting to jobs, entertainment and or sports. Another way to put it, I have tough time seeing north and south county residents buying into Jefferson Ave alignment once they realize that a significant hike, bus or metrolink transfer is needed to get to a Cardinals game.
Instead, Locust, Grand & Jefferson really offer great opportunities to rebuild a city only modern streetcar or BRT network over time that compliments metrolink but ties north/south and central corridor city development/housing to the bulk of jobs whether it be ATT One Center being filled again and or the BJC/WashU/CORTEX,.
I included a better map in my story that I wrote. Seems odd that earlier today, a brewery was planned. I remember reading but is not non-existent in the Post Dispatch article. It is not the "micro breweries". Anyway, my story includes images if the Shipping Container thing down in Tulsa.
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Cool! Is it ok if I throw this into my story?addxb2 wrote:I wanted to see the physical space this development would consume.
Might be incorrect but I believe the Jeff Arms developer noted that his HTC application was held up on a backlog or maybe it was brownfield tax credits..STLrainbow wrote: ↑Oct 25, 2017Unless the MOLEG cuts HTCs I don't think they have to worry about that end; New Markets might be more competitive. What's interesting here is though is that it looks like they are working with some partners on part of the project and different partners on others. so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the pieces are delayed. But it looks like the Mendenhall rehab in Downtown West is ready to get started and that alone will be a boost: the other stuff across the Jefferson divide in Midtown would be icing on the cake.user28 wrote: ↑Oct 25, 2017Having just read the article from stltoday, my only concern is the developer said part of the project is contingent on historic tax credits. Does anyone know what we have available, and how much is being asked for in tax credits from other projects? I can put together a lil math on it if someone can point me in the right direction for the info
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My assumption is a lot of HTC applications went in on the concern of MOLEG cutting tax credits as such. This project might be one more project that moves forward based on state tax credit reform concerns in the next legislative session. Maybe the urgency at the moment is for the better as it gives developers a little more persuasion to get bankers from sitting on the fence because HTC or other state tax credits to bridge the financing gaps aren't as safe as a bet going forward.
Cool. Is this for this development? I don’t see the AT&T building.goat314 wrote:
I didn’t even see that in the Post Dispatch. Thanks Moorlander. Hmmm. I like the design but I can’t get over how it looks a tiny bit like the Scion Hotel in Dallas. Not saying it will be, just looks that way.
Framer, I honestly thought this was going to be some ugly and small hotel. This is pretty nice. Can’t wait to see it happen. It will add some much needed development on Jefferson. The parking garage even carries the design further West.
Framer, I honestly thought this was going to be some ugly and small hotel. This is pretty nice. Can’t wait to see it happen. It will add some much needed development on Jefferson. The parking garage even carries the design further West.