New Orleans has the same population and they support two franchise decently if not very well.
Plus tourism is similat
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St. Louis sues NFL for a billion.
GIT DAT MONEY.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nfl-l ... SKBN17E2D3
GIT DAT MONEY.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nfl-l ... SKBN17E2D3
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As part of any settlement, Kroenke should be forced to bankroll the $60 million for an MLS stadium, give up his place in the MO. Sports HOF and relinquish any rights to the Rams practice facility. That would be a start... 
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^I hope they have a strong case. If they come out empty handed then they'll have just wasted a bunch more money on the Rams.
If they win it seems like the precedent would be catastrophic for these leagues in the efforts to squeeze markets for tax dollars. So much so that I can't see them taking it all the way to a court decision if they thought there was a significant chance they would lose. My money is the league settles out of court for the cost St. Louis spent trying to keep them here. ~$200M
If they win it seems like the precedent would be catastrophic for these leagues in the efforts to squeeze markets for tax dollars. So much so that I can't see them taking it all the way to a court decision if they thought there was a significant chance they would lose. My money is the league settles out of court for the cost St. Louis spent trying to keep them here. ~$200M
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If nothing else, this makes it very clear to the NFL that St. Louis isn't interested in ever having a team again. I don't have a problem with that.
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Well as long as we get enough money for that MLS stadium it's all good.
The mayors spokesperson was quoted in the PD that the lawyers are working on retainer and will only be paid if the lawsuit is won.STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2017^I hope they have a strong case. If they come out empty handed then they'll have just wasted a bunch more money on the Rams.
If they win it seems like the precedent would be catastrophic for these leagues in the efforts to squeeze markets for tax dollars. So much so that I can't see them taking it all the way to a court decision if they thought there was a significant chance they would lose. My money is the league settles out of court for the cost St. Louis spent trying to keep them here. ~$200M
Agree that the NFL settles this out of court.
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I find it interesting that the NFL "Policy and Procedures for Proposed Franchise Relocations"
https://www.leg.state.mn.us/webcontent/ ... nrules.pdf were later called "guidlines" when it started looking like the NFL would need to ignore them to move the Rams. And the articles in the Post Dispatch http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football ... 948d9.html point to those rules as part of a court ordered settlement of a case in the 1980's when the Raiders first moved to LA from Oakland. The piece says that the court said the NFL needed to create those relocation rules to avoid losing their anti-trust exemption. Now that they violated the part about -- doing everything possible to keep teams in current markets --, I think it leaves them vulnerable to loss to a jury, which may prompt them to settle.
If the NFL was smart, they will settle out of court and at least restore the $16 million spent on the effort due to the NFL's false encouragement.
I was at the PSL meeting with Kevin Demoff Feb 2014 where he said "Stan is looking at lots of pieces of land around the world right now and none of them are for football stadiums." This was in response to the leak that Kroenke was buying the land in Inglewood where his is now building a stadium. Of course we now know that Kroenke called Kevin summer of 2013 and told that site was perfect for a new stadium. So Kevin lied. Kevin's job was to mislead fans so we would keep buying tickets.
And in that same PSL holder meeting, Kevin said upgrading the dome was not the right answer for St Louis. He said St Louis needs to build a whole new stadium, and that he personally preferred open air.
https://www.leg.state.mn.us/webcontent/ ... nrules.pdf were later called "guidlines" when it started looking like the NFL would need to ignore them to move the Rams. And the articles in the Post Dispatch http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football ... 948d9.html point to those rules as part of a court ordered settlement of a case in the 1980's when the Raiders first moved to LA from Oakland. The piece says that the court said the NFL needed to create those relocation rules to avoid losing their anti-trust exemption. Now that they violated the part about -- doing everything possible to keep teams in current markets --, I think it leaves them vulnerable to loss to a jury, which may prompt them to settle.
If the NFL was smart, they will settle out of court and at least restore the $16 million spent on the effort due to the NFL's false encouragement.
I was at the PSL meeting with Kevin Demoff Feb 2014 where he said "Stan is looking at lots of pieces of land around the world right now and none of them are for football stadiums." This was in response to the leak that Kroenke was buying the land in Inglewood where his is now building a stadium. Of course we now know that Kroenke called Kevin summer of 2013 and told that site was perfect for a new stadium. So Kevin lied. Kevin's job was to mislead fans so we would keep buying tickets.
And in that same PSL holder meeting, Kevin said upgrading the dome was not the right answer for St Louis. He said St Louis needs to build a whole new stadium, and that he personally preferred open air.
I say let's settle for $50 million, and spend it all on MetroLink security.
"Why St. Louis could win it's lawsuit against Kronke"
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id ... an-kroenke
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id ... an-kroenke
"NFL sending its A-team of lawyers to fight St. Louis"
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football ... 5e0d9.html
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football ... 5e0d9.html
If its the same team they sent after Brady I like our chancesframer wrote: ↑May 12, 2017"NFL sending its A-team of lawyers to fight St. Louis"
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football ... 5e0d9.html
Meanwhile, things are getting ugly over in England:
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... e-10471172
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... e-10471172
Cal Is F!#&ed Because Of Its Stupid Stadium Deal
https://deadspin.com/cal-is-*****-beca ... 1795896858
https://deadspin.com/cal-is-*****-beca ... 1795896858
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This could have been St. Louis. From tonight's NBC Nightly News.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vi ... 9058499919
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vi ... 9058499919
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no disrespect intended at all, Gary, butgary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2017This could have been St. Louis. From tonight's NBC Nightly News.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vi ... 9058499919
$15M in community agreements (that are notoriously difficult to quantify in terms of return) vs. how many tens of $M in subsidies?
how long are we going to continue speculating about this?
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right, and Atlanta's economy is not suffering because football whereas our economy is suffering because no football.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2017Yep. Atlanta is really suffering compared to us. What were they thinking. I spent my Rams season ticket dollars in Europe this fall. Not downtown as Showme claimed I would. My entertainment dollars don’t stay where there is no entertainment.
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At least we have all that extra money to fund the cities policing needs.... oh wait. 
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 86ee2.html
So now I'm being asked to pay more in taxes but still don't get NFL or MLS. Sports fans in the city really got screwed in this deal.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 86ee2.html
So now I'm being asked to pay more in taxes but still don't get NFL or MLS. Sports fans in the city really got screwed in this deal.
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How many times did we hear people on TV and radio argue that we could use that billion dollars to add more police and reduce crime in St. Louis? So how's that working out. And Governor Nixon in February 2015 said the North Riverfront would still be derelict for the next 10 years. We are 1/4 the way there. At least NBC News and the folks they talk to think the Atlanta stadium is good for them.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2017right, and Atlanta's economy is not suffering because football whereas our economy is suffering because no football.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2017Yep. Atlanta is really suffering compared to us. What were they thinking. I spent my Rams season ticket dollars in Europe this fall. Not downtown as Showme claimed I would. My entertainment dollars don’t stay where there is no entertainment.
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Don't get me started with those old arguments. There was NO billion dollars.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 24, 2017How many times did we hear people on TV and radio argue that we could use that billion dollars to add more police and reduce crime in St. Louis? So how's that working out.
$750 million was from the NFL loan and Kroenke, the reminder, IIRC, from a ticket tax.
People argue like that 'billion dollars' is in some Bank of Robin Hood account that's theirs to decide.
Kroenke was going to move the team regardless, he had no intention to stay in St. Louis. We could have paid for the stadium 100% and he still would have left.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 24, 2017How many times did we hear people on TV and radio argue that we could use that billion dollars to add more police and reduce crime in St. Louis? So how's that working out. And Governor Nixon in February 2015 said the North Riverfront would still be derelict for the next 10 years. We are 1/4 the way there. At least NBC News and the folks they talk to think the Atlanta stadium is good for them.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2017right, and Atlanta's economy is not suffering because football whereas our economy is suffering because no football.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2017Yep. Atlanta is really suffering compared to us. What were they thinking. I spent my Rams season ticket dollars in Europe this fall. Not downtown as Showme claimed I would. My entertainment dollars don’t stay where there is no entertainment.
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c'mon. the police thing is a straw man. that the city wouldn't have been on the hook for tens of millions of $ is a fantasy. the city would have had to front a sh*t-ton of money and then *hope* to get it back over 30 years (longer than the life of the stadium) from various taxes. stop pretending like it was some sort of freebie that we threw away.
urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2017no disrespect intended at all, Gary, butgary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2017This could have been St. Louis. From tonight's NBC Nightly News.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vi ... 9058499919
$15M in community agreements (that are notoriously difficult to quantify in terms of return) vs. how many tens of $M in subsidies?
how long are we going to continue speculating about this?
Exactly, how many times have we heard so-and-so "hopes [insert mega project here] will be the spark that transforms the community."
Rather than get down with hard work and make the city more efficient and easy for businesses to set-up and function, and good places to live, our leaders go looking for the next silver bullet.