I would've guessed the heart of the CWE to have the highest density in the metro. And it seems retail is fairly well supported there (at least with respect to where retail is at in this day-and-age).
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I would guess because it's a destination neighborhood.San Luis Native wrote: ↑Jun 12, 2017I would've guessed the heart of the CWE to have the highest density in the metro. And it seems retail is fairly well supported there (at least with respect to where retail is at in this day-and-age).
Retail in other neighborhoods would work as well. For Downtown, it needs to recapture its magic before people will start venturing back down there for fun, in droves.
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Junior was on Cardinals Insider and said they're making progress on Phase II and hope to break ground late this year/early next year.... he did mention "maybe even a hotel" as part of the construction that will go for a couple seasons. So pretty much what we already knew.
Pardon my stupidity, but I don’t know what “for a couple seasons” means. Anyway... could they be holding back to build everything including the tower at 8th and Walnut? Plus... of course, pushing it back more.STLrainbow wrote:Junior was on Cardinals Insider and said they're making progress on Phase II and hope to break ground late this year/early next year.... he did mention "maybe even a hotel" as part of the construction that will go for a couple seasons. So pretty much what we already knew.
And where can I find the interview with him
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^ I heard the interview on KMOX this evening; not sure if they have an onine link or not. Anyway, how I interpreted it was that construction on the project will take a couple years and baseball seasons to complete as they previously mentioned.
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The number of residents + household income = retail.wabash wrote:^^^Is there any support for the premise that retail development follows residential density?
The largest shopping center in the region at this point seems to be Chesterfield Commons, with a negligible residential density. The densest part of the entire metro is probably the Gravois Park/Tower Grove East/Benton Park West area. And while Cherokee seems to be coming along at a slow but steady pace, it's a long way from being any sort of a retail Mecca and is more known for its bars and restaurants.
This day and age I don't think there's much correlation between retail and residential density.
Gravois Park has one component. CWE has both. Retail loves discretionary income.
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If it is an entirely new component to the project, I would expect it to add about $100 Million to the project.STLrainbow wrote:^ I heard the interview on KMOX this evening; not sure if they have an onine link or not. Anyway, how I interpreted it was that construction on the project will take a couple years and baseball seasons to complete as they previously mentioned.
I still take this as another non-committal response of DeWitt by giving the end of the year oh but wait it could also be early next year which leaves the door open for everyone to forget the comments he made six months ago. Still as frustrating and meaningless his last several comments that seem to come out the blue every 3 to 6 months that suggest something but no hard date, no hard statement on finance, or tenant anchors....STLrainbow wrote: ↑Jun 13, 2017Junior was on Cardinals Insider and said they're making progress on Phase II and hope to break ground late this year/early next year.... he did mention "maybe even a hotel" as part of the construction that will go for a couple seasons. So pretty much what we already knew.
Just come out and say we don't have the financial backing nor or we willing to speculate any of our riches to make this happen.
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While I absolutely hold out the utmost skepticism and cynicism towards this development, the idea of a fall groundbreaking makes sense if only for the fact that right now they are parking cars at something like 30 bucks a vehicle for every game. I would not expect them to turn that revenue faucet off so they can create a construction site, at least until the season is over.
I don't have the numbers to really support the argument either way but it seems to me the revenue from surface parking would be chump change in the scheme of Cardinals total revenue picture as well as the potential revenue to develop. This has to be the one surface parking lot in downtown that it absolutely makes the most sense to build on where as other downtown surface lots have a big hill to climb for the cost of new construction vs. return on downtown's current lease rates.americancitizen wrote: ↑Jun 13, 2017While I absolutely hold out the utmost skepticism and cynicism towards this development, the idea of a fall groundbreaking makes sense if only for the fact that right now they are parking cars at something like 30 bucks a vehicle for every game. I would not expect them to turn that revenue faucet off so they can create a construction site, at least until the season is over.
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Is there anyone I can contact regarding this project?
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This has got to be the most long drugged out annoying agitating infuriating aggravating project in all of St.Louis. This gone from Centene Stifel as potential anchor tenants to now can't find one company in the area thats remotely interested cause both Cordish and Cardinals are dragging berries on the ground 
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Once they decide to make another announcement not sure how excited enthused i'll be this is more i'll see it when theres actual construction equipment dirt being moved and a erection the sky
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I'd contact the mayor or your local alderman. Reaching out to the Cardinals or Cordish will get you either 1) no response or 2) generic FAQ messaging.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Jun 13, 2017Is there anyone I can contact regarding this project?
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Those who lived through the 30-year process for the Arch construction may beg to differ!St.Louis1764 wrote: ↑Jun 14, 2017This has got to be the most long drugged out annoying agitating infuriating aggravating project in all of St.Louis. This gone from Centene Stifel as potential anchor tenants to now can't find one company in the area thats remotely interested cause both Cordish and Cardinals are dragging berries on the ground
Once they decide to make another announcement not sure how excited enthused i'll be this is more i'll see it when theres actual construction equipment dirt being moved and a erection the sky
At least it had the upside of being a giant parking lot for all the companies who were still downtown...kinger wrote: ↑Jun 14, 2017Those who lived through the 30-year process for the Arch construction may beg to differ!St.Louis1764 wrote: ↑Jun 14, 2017This has got to be the most long drugged out annoying agitating infuriating aggravating project in all of St.Louis. This gone from Centene Stifel as potential anchor tenants to now can't find one company in the area thats remotely interested cause both Cordish and Cardinals are dragging berries on the ground
Once they decide to make another announcement not sure how excited enthused i'll be this is more i'll see it when theres actual construction equipment dirt being moved and a erection the sky
Anyone else find this project winning any sort of award from the Urban Land Institute staggeringly ironic?
BPV is one of the most inward-looking, anti-urban downtown projects we've seen in my lifetime. Surrounded by a huge parking lot, it's business model is heavily predicated on tax breaks and robbing-peter-to-pay-paul (meaning, stealing restaurant biz from existing downtown establishments like Charlie Gitto's, Mike Shannon's, Wash Ave, Soulard and more.)
For the remaining BPV land development, Cordish needs to be fired, not awarded.
https://americas.uli.org/awards/ballpar ... -finalist/
Ballpark Village – 2017 Global Awards for Excellence Finalist
POSTED ON MAY 11, 2017 BY BATEL YONA
Ballpark Village
Location: St. Louis, Missouri, United States
Developer: The Cordish Companies
Designer: Design Collective, Jeffrey Beers International
Site Size: 10 acres
Ballpark Village, a partnership between the St. Louis Cardinals and The Cordish Companies, represents a groundbreaking approach to urban development, the first time a professional sports venue was master planned and fully integrated into a broader mixed-use development. Recognized for its quality, scale, creative design and impact on the community, Ballpark Village has played a pivotal role in the revitalization of downtown St. Louis. Lauded by the City as its most important development in a decade, Ballpark Village was the result of a unique public-private partnership between the City, State and Federal Governments. Professional sports teams across the country are using Ballpark Village, which created a new year-round gathering place that is active both day and night, as a model in enhancing the sports experience.
BPV is one of the most inward-looking, anti-urban downtown projects we've seen in my lifetime. Surrounded by a huge parking lot, it's business model is heavily predicated on tax breaks and robbing-peter-to-pay-paul (meaning, stealing restaurant biz from existing downtown establishments like Charlie Gitto's, Mike Shannon's, Wash Ave, Soulard and more.)
For the remaining BPV land development, Cordish needs to be fired, not awarded.
https://americas.uli.org/awards/ballpar ... -finalist/
Ballpark Village – 2017 Global Awards for Excellence Finalist
POSTED ON MAY 11, 2017 BY BATEL YONA
Ballpark Village
Location: St. Louis, Missouri, United States
Developer: The Cordish Companies
Designer: Design Collective, Jeffrey Beers International
Site Size: 10 acres
Ballpark Village, a partnership between the St. Louis Cardinals and The Cordish Companies, represents a groundbreaking approach to urban development, the first time a professional sports venue was master planned and fully integrated into a broader mixed-use development. Recognized for its quality, scale, creative design and impact on the community, Ballpark Village has played a pivotal role in the revitalization of downtown St. Louis. Lauded by the City as its most important development in a decade, Ballpark Village was the result of a unique public-private partnership between the City, State and Federal Governments. Professional sports teams across the country are using Ballpark Village, which created a new year-round gathering place that is active both day and night, as a model in enhancing the sports experience.
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I legitimately don't understand. Do these people think the renderings are photos of a finished product or something? Are they not aware the mixed-use development exists only in concept?soulardx wrote: ↑Jun 15, 2017Ballpark Village, a partnership between the St. Louis Cardinals and The Cordish Companies, represents a groundbreaking approach to urban development, the first time a professional sports venue was master planned and fully integrated into a broader mixed-use development. Recognized for its quality, scale, creative design and impact on the community, Ballpark Village has played a pivotal role in the revitalization of downtown St. Louis. Lauded by the City as its most important development in a decade, Ballpark Village was the result of a unique public-private partnership between the City, State and Federal Governments. Professional sports teams across the country are using Ballpark Village, which created a new year-round gathering place that is active both day and night, as a model in enhancing the sports experience.
maybe it's considered mixed because it has a few bars AND a few restaurants?
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don't forget the Majestic store! Restaurants, bars and tiny sports-apparel store!
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Well i didn't say history but maybe people back then were more okay with the ample amount of parking downtown had to offer. I think if boomers in St.Louis had there way downtown be one big parking lot catered to the Cardinals organization 
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Yes. I wasn't saying parking is the highest and best use long term, I was just saying that given that they are already halfway through the season I can easily see them scheduling the start of construction on Phase 2 until after the season is over. Small in the scheme of things for them or not, +/- 200 cars at $30 a car x 40 more games is something like $240,000 which is basically free money to them at this point. And its probably more than that. But nobody turns down something like a quarter million dollars of essentially free money. That's all I was saying regarding the start of construction and potentially why it hasn't started yet. Of course there may well be other reasons it hasn't started yet, and Lord knows these people deserve all the skepticism in the world.dredger wrote: ↑Jun 13, 2017I don't have the numbers to really support the argument either way but it seems to me the revenue from surface parking would be chump change in the scheme of Cardinals total revenue picture as well as the potential revenue to develop. This has to be the one surface parking lot in downtown that it absolutely makes the most sense to build on where as other downtown surface lots have a big hill to climb for the cost of new construction vs. return on downtown's current lease rates.americancitizen wrote: ↑Jun 13, 2017While I absolutely hold out the utmost skepticism and cynicism towards this development, the idea of a fall groundbreaking makes sense if only for the fact that right now they are parking cars at something like 30 bucks a vehicle for every game. I would not expect them to turn that revenue faucet off so they can create a construction site, at least until the season is over.
^ I just hope their box scores are better for the second half of season for those plunking down the money. It has been brutal following the Cards bullpen giving up runs from afar and I'm doing it on the cheap
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Asked earlier and got no response.
Is there any city or officials that I can contact regarding this project? Any steps that can be taken by the public to get answers?
Is there any city or officials that I can contact regarding this project? Any steps that can be taken by the public to get answers?