Yes, hopefully a official announcement is made soon on the tenants of the Phase 2 and construction ground breaking. When it comes down to Phase 3 and the Hotel portion of it, it will almost surely be Cordish's new Live! Branded Hotel.St.Louis1764 wrote: ↑Apr 21, 2017Well if PwC is going to be the official tenant of the office building in BP 2 then its only a matter of time before we get an announcement? Im curious about phase 3 cause thats suppose to have more of a hotel concept i wonder what hotelier would be interested. My opinion it should be something new to the St.Louis region.
Not sure if there is any reason to read into this more deeply, but the developer in charge of BPV, Chase Martin, has left Cordish for another company. He has been replaced by Nick Benjamin, who previously worked on Power & Light.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... rdish.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... rdish.html
Well then the new guy better get cracking. We have a Development to get done
Well I know the project manager Chase Martin left Cordish last month and he was replaced with another guy named Nick Benjamin.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... rdish.html
Probably cancelled. Wouldn’t surprise me. The new guy is slacking. I suggest they sell each lot to other developers who want to build next to the stadium.
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iirc it was to be a fall/winter start so I'm not sure how much we should expect to hear before then.
^Yeah, these things take time. I still have faith, although I do wish they'd release some info now and then, just to reassure the public that it's still happening.
Like Rainbow said I thought it was supposed to be a fall start. So I'll be optimistic until I hear differently. It would be nice to hear an update once in awhile but I'll keep the faith.
A new rendering every once in a while would do it for me or a note from the new head of the project. If it still is happening, I expect a September/October groundbreaking. If the new guy wishes to move along fast, then maybe Just sometime in September. But we will see. Things change fast on things like this.
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I get the pessimism on this project, but there's zero reason for them to release new renderings. I'm pretty confident we would have heard from someone if this was dead... Don't correlate lack of new renderings or major press releases with the project being dead. Especially with Cordish/Cardinals.
Also, the new guy will almost certainly not move fast. That is not and has never been Cordish's way. They are control freaks who like to release as little information as possible and only after something is 100% set in stone.
Now, if they haven't broken ground or gone back to silence mode come next fall/winter then that's a completely different story.
Also, the new guy will almost certainly not move fast. That is not and has never been Cordish's way. They are control freaks who like to release as little information as possible and only after something is 100% set in stone.
Now, if they haven't broken ground or gone back to silence mode come next fall/winter then that's a completely different story.
^Certainly no reason to freak out. But plenty of reason to wallow in a state of heightened skepticism, frustration, and disappointment.
I applaud many of you for your exceptional optimism though.
I applaud many of you for your exceptional optimism though.
I am optimistic still but also pessimistic. Cordish is lazy. That make everyone excited and then do nothing and laugh. But when they do get stuff going, it always ends up being good.
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Just saw the rendering of Baltimores new 414 light street apartment tower not only i think its beautiful but its tall 500 feet. I'm optimistic about BPV though i wait hold my breath on it.l it'll happen when its meant to happen in the mean time i hope that the new 100 tower will be revised to top 400 feet and the possible new BPV tower will be revised to top 350 to 400..
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^I don't believe 414 Light St. in Baltimore is Cordish though.
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Downtown development seems to be in a great state of wait right now. We have a few redevelopments currently underway, but pretty much ho-hum stuff; but if the big projects lined up actually get going that will really move things forward downtown. I think we'll either be really excited with what's under construction next Spring or really disappointed.
Agreed. BPV and RRX seem to hold the greatest potential for moving the needle. Still waiting for mid-rise construction (like The Euclid, Ceylon, 9 N Euclid, 3949 Lindell, etc...) in/around DT to at least be tested/attempted.
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I think you're right it's not a Cordish development i stand correct though that building would fit in perfectly downtown.
A 500 footer would completely change our skyline preferably where those Keiner garages are..
If when Arms Exchange Village even Convention get rolling i think people will get more of a sense that things haven't been abandoned but i must say our streets look awful almost worse than gravel roads.
With the addition of 9 new Dunkins coming into the region maybe downtown will finally get one of those.
Ballpark Village has the opportunity to bring retail to Downtown again the same with Washington Avenue. I don’t mean bars, I mean stores. So I hope this project does well in this category.
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^Retail will return downtown once the population density increases. Don't hold your breath on BPV being the catalyst for a ton of retail... at least not in the near future. Let's focus on getting a Walgreens, CVS, or other basic retail tenants in place before expecting to see retail really take hold.
Making A Lasting Difference: Twenty-Five Extraordinary Developments From Around the World Are Finalists for the Urban Land Institute’s Global Awards for Excellence
-RBBWASHINGTON (June 5, 2017) — Twenty-five extraordinary developments from around the world have been selected as finalists for the Urban Land Institute’s (ULI) 2017 Global Awards for Excellence, which is widely recognized as one of the land use industry’s most prestigious award programs. This year’s finalists include three located in Asia, two in Europe, and 20 in North America.
A group of winners chosen from the finalists will be announced in October at the 2017 ULI Fall Meeting in Los Angeles. The finalists (developers and designers in parentheses) are:
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Ballpark Village, St. Louis, Missouri, United States (Developer: The Cordish Companies; Designer: Design Collective, Jeffrey Beers International)
^^^Is there any support for the premise that retail development follows residential density?
The largest shopping center in the region at this point seems to be Chesterfield Commons, with a negligible residential density. The densest part of the entire metro is probably the Gravois Park/Tower Grove East/Benton Park West area. And while Cherokee seems to be coming along at a slow but steady pace, it's a long way from being any sort of a retail Mecca and is more known for its bars and restaurants.
This day and age I don't think there's much correlation between retail and residential density.
The largest shopping center in the region at this point seems to be Chesterfield Commons, with a negligible residential density. The densest part of the entire metro is probably the Gravois Park/Tower Grove East/Benton Park West area. And while Cherokee seems to be coming along at a slow but steady pace, it's a long way from being any sort of a retail Mecca and is more known for its bars and restaurants.
This day and age I don't think there's much correlation between retail and residential density.
I think that retail still tends to follow population & jobs so downtown to extent, maybe not necessarily BPV, but things will get better if BPV phase II happens, Jeff Arms and Railway Exchange break ground this sure. However, should not expect a whole lot of retail out of BPV as Wabash noted simply because you have density. I think you really need a big big increase in jobs & residents downtown.
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Starting with Brick and Mortar retail in itself is in huge period of uncertain times IMO. First, you got the develops who disconnected retail from ownership that made place like Chesterfield Commons happen at tax payer expense. Plus the convenience of automobile didn't require an immediate population (now is see the winners and losers). Next came retail chains with massive expansion followed by private equity buying up & leveraging massive debt on over built stores fronts. Finally, online shopping has significantly changed retail on top if it all. You will always have eateries, coffee shops, etc. but how much more commercial space can those places support without a big population increase??
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My last piece of the puzzle, online retailers like Amazon probably prefer density as consolidates and creates cost efficiencies in delivery.
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Starting with Brick and Mortar retail in itself is in huge period of uncertain times IMO. First, you got the develops who disconnected retail from ownership that made place like Chesterfield Commons happen at tax payer expense. Plus the convenience of automobile didn't require an immediate population (now is see the winners and losers). Next came retail chains with massive expansion followed by private equity buying up & leveraging massive debt on over built stores fronts. Finally, online shopping has significantly changed retail on top if it all. You will always have eateries, coffee shops, etc. but how much more commercial space can those places support without a big population increase??
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My last piece of the puzzle, online retailers like Amazon probably prefer density as consolidates and creates cost efficiencies in delivery.