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Pedestrian infrastructure wins thread

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PostMar 04, 2022#1

Couldn’t find a specific thread for this so I made one. Mods feel free to move this if there is a better place for it.

Either way wanted to post this pedestrian infrastructure win getting installed at Mississippi and Chouteau. As someone who goes to 21st St Brewers bar a lot and crosses this intersection on a regular basis I am thrilled to see this going in!




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PostMar 04, 2022#2

No this can’t be. Christine Ingrassia swore to me that Chouteau is not an urban street when she supported the QT constructions at Jefferson.

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PostMar 07, 2022#3

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
Mar 04, 2022
No this can’t be. Christine Ingrassia swore to me that Chouteau is not an urban street when she supported the QT constructions at Jefferson.
Now, it'll be safer to walk to QT! 

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PostMar 07, 2022#4

I wouldn't trust anyone observing those signals and they'll just keep flying along at 50mph, 60mph or more. 

I hope and pray I'm wrong, but I bet you someone gets severely hurt or killed crossing Highway 100.

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PostMar 12, 2022#5

They need those dotted medians all the way down Chouteau to Manchester.  Sad that we need to forcibly make people drive humanely.

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PostApr 08, 2022#6

Nextstl - Imagining St. Louis Without Slip Lanes

https://nextstl.com/2022/04/imagining-s ... lip-lanes/

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PostApr 18, 2022#7

NY Times: Raising Crosswalks to Make Deadly Intersections Safer in New York
Mayor Eric Adams wants to raise hundreds of crosswalks across New York amid a surge in traffic violence during the pandemic, in part because of an epidemic of speeding and reckless driving. Citywide, a total of 273 people — including 125 pedestrians — were killed in crashes last year, the highest number of traffic deaths since 2013, according to city records.
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Many cities have increasingly turned to re-engineering crash-prone intersections, according to Alex Engel, a spokesman for the National Association of City Transportation Officials.  “The intersections are the hardest part of the street to design — they are where the most conflicts are,” said Mr. Engel, whose organization is helping cities apply for federal infrastructure funds to help pay for street redesigns.
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Research studies have shown that raised crosswalks can increase the visibility of pedestrians and reduce traffic speeds and crashes, according to traffic engineers and experts. In New York, pedestrian injuries have typically declined after a raised crosswalk was installed, officials said.  Raised crosswalks are also popular because they can be relatively quick to install and inexpensive.
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The new crosswalks, which will be financed with city and federal funding, will not be placed on major roads to avoid disrupting bus and truck routes, city officials said. Instead, they will be aimed at other intersections heavily used by pedestrians, especially children and older people, with many near schools, parks, playgrounds and senior centers.
Are there any raised crosswalks in the city? Seems like something that might be useful connecting large parks with their neighborhoods, or in accessing attractions where there is a lot of ancillary street parking that requires visitors to cross a street (e.g., MoBot, the zoo, etc.)

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PostApr 19, 2022#8

rbeedee wrote:NY Times: Raising Crosswalks to Make Deadly Intersections Safer in New York
Mayor Eric Adams wants to raise hundreds of crosswalks across New York amid a surge in traffic violence during the pandemic, in part because of an epidemic of speeding and reckless driving. Citywide, a total of 273 people — including 125 pedestrians — were killed in crashes last year, the highest number of traffic deaths since 2013, according to city records.
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Many cities have increasingly turned to re-engineering crash-prone intersections, according to Alex Engel, a spokesman for the National Association of City Transportation Officials.  “The intersections are the hardest part of the street to design — they are where the most conflicts are,” said Mr. Engel, whose organization is helping cities apply for federal infrastructure funds to help pay for street redesigns.
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Research studies have shown that raised crosswalks can increase the visibility of pedestrians and reduce traffic speeds and crashes, according to traffic engineers and experts. In New York, pedestrian injuries have typically declined after a raised crosswalk was installed, officials said.  Raised crosswalks are also popular because they can be relatively quick to install and inexpensive.
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The new crosswalks, which will be financed with city and federal funding, will not be placed on major roads to avoid disrupting bus and truck routes, city officials said. Instead, they will be aimed at other intersections heavily used by pedestrians, especially children and older people, with many near schools, parks, playgrounds and senior centers.
Are there any raised crosswalks in the city? Seems like something that might be useful connecting large parks with their neighborhoods, or in accessing attractions where there is a lot of ancillary street parking that requires visitors to cross a street (e.g., MoBot, the zoo, etc.)
I do believe there are a handful on government dr in forest park. I for one think raised intersections at key pedestrian oriented areas would be great. Say a place like Euclid and Maryland.

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PostApr 19, 2022#9

rbeedee wrote:
Apr 18, 2022
NY Times: Raising Crosswalks to Make Deadly Intersections Safer in New York
Mayor Eric Adams wants to raise hundreds of crosswalks across New York amid a surge in traffic violence during the pandemic, in part because of an epidemic of speeding and reckless driving. Citywide, a total of 273 people — including 125 pedestrians — were killed in crashes last year, the highest number of traffic deaths since 2013, according to city records.
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Many cities have increasingly turned to re-engineering crash-prone intersections, according to Alex Engel, a spokesman for the National Association of City Transportation Officials.  “The intersections are the hardest part of the street to design — they are where the most conflicts are,” said Mr. Engel, whose organization is helping cities apply for federal infrastructure funds to help pay for street redesigns.
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Research studies have shown that raised crosswalks can increase the visibility of pedestrians and reduce traffic speeds and crashes, according to traffic engineers and experts. In New York, pedestrian injuries have typically declined after a raised crosswalk was installed, officials said.  Raised crosswalks are also popular because they can be relatively quick to install and inexpensive.
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The new crosswalks, which will be financed with city and federal funding, will not be placed on major roads to avoid disrupting bus and truck routes, city officials said. Instead, they will be aimed at other intersections heavily used by pedestrians, especially children and older people, with many near schools, parks, playgrounds and senior centers.
Are there any raised crosswalks in the city? Seems like something that might be useful connecting large parks with their neighborhoods, or in accessing attractions where there is a lot of ancillary street parking that requires visitors to cross a street (e.g., MoBot, the zoo, etc.)
The main SLU crosswalk across Grand isn't a true raised crosswalk (footpath level with sidewalk), but it feels like the street does elevate a bit there and the road surface changes. I would love raised crosswalks not just at busy intersections, but near every crosswalk across a road with a speed limit of 25 mph. Imagine Downtown or Soulard where every corner had these, it would be so much better of an experience for pedestrians.

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PostApr 22, 2022#11

^ Maybe Reed's suggestions gain some traction.  Pedestrian, bicycle, basic sidewalk stuff including more instead of less trees is certainly in the realm of streetscape improvements that would be a long term benefit & quality of life improvement.

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PostApr 23, 2022#12

^^That's not at all bad, but I'd love to see the bike lane get some protection.

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PostJun 06, 2022#13

In my neck of the woods...

In Webster, a lane of traffic has been removed from Lockwood between Rock Hill Road and Berry.  A bike lane has been added in its place.

Good progress has been made on adding sidewalks to Manchester Road from Rock Hill through Brentwood.  Should be a really nice improvement when it's all finished.

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PostJun 09, 2022#15

Folks are in Denver are trying to put an initiative on the ballot to make sidewalk maintenance the city's responsibility and charge fees based on feet of frontage to fund  it. Something Stl should consider?

https://secure.everyaction.com/tk1eidRYWEmNJrETZCilJg2

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PostJun 09, 2022#16

^ the sidewalk maintenance here is already the city's responsibility but they just give you the options to move up the list if you pay half

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PostJun 09, 2022#17

Property owners are required to maintain their sidewalks in good repair.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... rogram.cfm

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PostJun 09, 2022#18

^wtaf! This is craziness in my opinion. The city I live in requiring 50% match to fix my f’d up sidewalk would really piss me off.

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PostJun 09, 2022#19

^ I think it’s actually pretty common. KC was the same way when I lived there. Residents were responsible for sidewalk updates. The city would still do them…you just had to pay. Not sure if it’s still the same way over there.

In Florissant the city will repair a slab free of charge but only to fix a trip hazard, nothing else.

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PostAug 04, 2022#20

StlToday - Ted Drewes to get median, crosswalk after two killed in traffic, alderman says

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 7eeb2.html

PostAug 23, 2022#21

I guess he patches the potholes in front of his property.

Denver 7 -Sidewalks ballot initiative could cost some homeowners nearly $1,000 or more
Vigil said. “But why should I pay for other people’s sidewalks?”
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/l ... 00-or-more

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NextSTL - Bollards at Skinker and Forest Park Parkway Needed

https://nextstl.com/2022/08/bollards-at ... k-parkway/

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StlToday - St. Louis ignores feds, paints crosswalks on the Hill

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 5c396.html

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PostSep 02, 2022#24

^ Nice - the city should buy concrete paint for every neighborhood get volunteers and we should paint the heck out of our crosswalks. 

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PostSep 02, 2022#25

I thought this wasn't up to some sort of standard. Some neighborhood (grove?) did intricate designs with their crosswalks a few years ago and had to stop or revert them back iirc.

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