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STLUP: McDonads

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PostMar 21, 2006#1

http://www.urbanreviewstl.com/archives/000561.php



Lets get a plan together. We need to protest. The time for emails and kind letters has ended; lets get some real dissent and media attention. Many citizens are either unaware of this situation, or do not understand why it is so important. We need to take a stand if St. Louis is going to have any real changes.



I was very angry driving to Schnucks yesterday; I was looking at the Hampton Village McDonalds, and its vast waste of land. We need to keep these large parking lot out of key areas.

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PostMar 31, 2006#2

I'll be emailing Dale in the near future to start to determine our plan of action. I'll keep everything open, so we can make group decisions based upon our own schedules and whatnot.

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PostMar 31, 2006#3

Sam, thanks that is good, once we find out what City Hall is doing, we can plan the protest.







Trent, please paste the official names and titles of the Gravios Park Members. One was the president, however, I cannot remember her name?

PostMar 31, 2006#4

Protest Details:



We are going to be participating in a protest against the South Grand McDonalds development. Once we hear when the hearing on this proposed development takes place, we will have the time and date posted.



As you know, there are many reasons to protest this development:



1. Suburban design which wastes valuable land, in exchange for parking lots.

2. Proposed in an area that already has many fast food restaurants.

3. Residents do not want this development in their back yard. City residents do not want this type of development to occur in their neighborhood.

4. Fast Food restaurants create a lot of trash, as well as, noise pollution; they also negatively impact public health.

5. The franchise owner, who resides in the Central West End, has no fast food restaurants in his back yard. His existing McDonalds has numerous health violations. Should he be allowed to open a new McDonalds instead of changing existing policies?

6. The plan to turn the old McDonalds into a Senior Citizens home has not been finalized, nor have plans released; in effect, we are taking Florida's word.

7. Previously, before Florida's election, an ordinance was passed prohibiting the construction of new fast food restaurants.



In summary, as citizens of Ward 15, and the surrounding neighborhoods, we are overwhelmingly against this development, for a wide variety of reasons. We generally feel that our politicians, especially Jennifer Florida, are not representing the neighborhood, and our goal of urban progress and vitality. Florida obviously has ulterior motives, evident in Pyramid financing her campaign. She obviously feels threatened since she introduced Proposition R, which limits our ability to have a recall.



The reasons are many. We smell collusion. Make a sign. We will give you the time and date.



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PostMar 31, 2006#5

With regards to #5, there is a fairly suburban Mickey D's on Lindell, near Sarah.

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PostMar 31, 2006#6

Yes, thanks for the clarification. I was not sure if that is considered the west end or midtown.

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PostMar 31, 2006#7

I consider it midtown. It's close to SLU, SLU is midtown.



Rita Ford is the president of the Gravois Park Association.



The other gentlemens names were Dale Sweet and Eric (forgetting his last name).

PostMar 31, 2006#8

Latest from Dale:


Hi Sam.



Good meeting all y?all tonight. Thanks for writing Rita with the invitation.



For the flyer, I believe I can come up with succinct text, bulleted and digestible. To make it more powerful, however, my partner Eric Bothe suggests a graphic for the top, an equation even:



[McD arches] + [outline of state of Florida] + [Pyramid Companies logo] = BAD FOR S. GRAND



You know visuals engage the reader to possibly read the rest of the sheet.



Could anyone you know put this together easily in a JPEG or something we can insert into a Word document? Maybe the three graphics and the equals sign take up the top line of the page and the BAD FOR S. GRAND the second. The resolution should be high enough that we could print it out big for protest signs, to save a step in the future.



Also it?s a quick turnaround but I?m thinking of Tuesday?s election. Those voters who do bother to turn out will be, I?m guessing, also those likely to actually write or act upon receipt of the flyer. Also they?ll be those likely to vote on future aldermanic races. We might do better passing out flyers on sidewalks in front of Ward 15 precincts, you know, rather than going door-to-door. How many precincts are in the 15th Ward, and how many people would it take to put someone on the sidewalk outside of them from 7-7 on Tuesday? I can call the Board of Elections. Can?t seem to find this easily online without inputting various, random 15th Ward addresses?



Thanks.



Dale Sweet


I can't attend on Tuesday because of school. At least I wouldn't be able to be there until after 5.



Is there anyone proficient with graphics who could work up the McD's + State of FL etc idea?

PostMar 31, 2006#9

Dale also forwarded me a rough draft of a flyer.



I need everyones email addy so I can forward this around.



We've also been in touch with Rita:


Hey Dale,



That is a great idea!. You are really doing some great thinking.

You are like the energized bunny. I am working on doing some

signs for the protest but please feel to come up with some slogans

as well. Dale, we can use those sticks that we had from the judge

protest. I will also have some made up in poster size. Those get a little

expensive, but we will need them. Let's try to come up with a date for the

protest. I was thinking Sunday April 9th or the following Sunday after our neighborhood

meeting. ( That will give us some time to get the word out ) What do you guys think?.

After we have decided upon the date, I will call the TV stations and other media.



Thanks All

664-3425



Rita Ford

Gravois Park Block Link Neighborhood Association

Meeting: 2nd Tuesday 6 P. M.- St. Matthew Church"

2613 Potomac @ Jefferson & Potomac

" Where Citizens Drive the Process of Neighborhood Change"


and I'm not sure who Shirley Wallace is, but she has been in contact this morning with the emails...


Dearest Dale, the passion jumps right off the page. The problem is it starts to look like a witch hunt against Jennifer.

We don't want the Mayor and Alderpersons to feel sorry for her.

The fact that she received $2400 dollars is good information but not part of our issue. It is not illegal.The fact that she doesn't balance is a problem (for her). We need to find out who we report that too. It's a lot easier to hammer her on a blog than on a flyer with Gravois Park's name on it.

We need to stay on message. $850,000 to get the ground ready for 26 market rate houses that do not exist. While a land swap may be legal it is improper and unethical.

We can't hammer the tax abatement this round because we want the Lawrence group to stay neutral and they will be getting it also. The difference being they paid for their ground. Remember at the end of the day Jennifer is still their Alderperson.

Rita and I have been discussing whether or not the Journal main office on Chippewa is also in Jennifer's ward.

Your information about who to contact is great. I wouldn't put the are you not lovin' it part but I could be wrong (would not be the first time) but you did ask for input.

Shirley


And here was my reply to Dale regarding the flyer:


Dale,



First, regarding the date...I will bring it up with the others, but I know that I won't be able to be there. I work at a high school, and on Tuesdays I usually don't get out until after 5. I will approach the other STLUP members to see if they can be there.



Also, regarding the flyer, I think it's good. But it reminds me of a democratic vs. republican campaign. The democrat trys to get in too many issues, and their overall message gets lost, whereas the republicans are almost over simplified which is why they've been so successful in the last 15 years. We need to approach this more like the republicans. Keep it simple.



What are our main issues against this project? I personally wouldn't even bring up the trash/noise issues. I also wouldn't put in the campaign contributions to Florida, because I don't think what they did is illegal. Unethical, probably, but not illegal. I think the main points for this need to be the ordinance against the fast food drive-thru, Pyramid not following through on their promises (the bailout), the Lawrence Group developments, the McDonalds current owners other problems with his restaurants.



Basically, you take the main players in the deal, and cloak them in the illegality of them building something that is specifically against ordinance.



That would be my approach. If you frame them as the bad guys, its much easier to understand them as the bad guys. I also wouldn't even worry about the 'pro' part on the flyer. Because frankly, there isn't one as far as we're concerned.



Thanks,



Sam


I also included some discussion about the flyer itself, but I omitted that since it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense without first seeing the flyer.

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PostMar 31, 2006#10

I think trash is an issue, because it does create trash. He mentioned trash as being a problem already.



The campaign funds is a problem, because it shows her motive for supporting the project. It may be legal, yet it reveals her intentions.



The argument that all politicians operate this way is moot, because they should not operate this way.



I am idealistic, however, in this situation, it shows why Jennifer is so unwilling to compromise.



Tuesday is definately a no-go for me, as I have a very important german test on WED.



Sunday would work for the protest.

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PostMar 31, 2006#11

My point was that our message needs to be simplified. If our message is simple and clear, it paves the way for the other issues to be discussed. But right now, I think we need to focus on the main problems. One is the fact that the ordinance specifically says that a drive thru restaurant can't be put there.



Instead of giving people 15 reasons for their support, give them one really good one, and support it with 3 or 4 other good ones.



If anyone is interested in a copy of the flyer, post your email, or send me a PM.

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PostMar 31, 2006#12

My distinguished and honorable collegue from Tower Grove,



I respectfully disagree.



I believe there are many reasons to protest this development.



Choosing a few, when there are more than a few, limits our ability to relate to those we are trying to reach.



Our message should be that there are many reasons to protest the McDonalds.



The people we give the flier to should simply pick the issue that they find the most important. I do not think we should limit the list of complaints.

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PostMar 31, 2006#13

That's my point though. There are almost too many.



You pick the few that are the biggest. Give people a simple reason, something that is true and to the point. Then once you've got their interest, you pull them in with the others. If you present so many from the gitgo, your overall message gets lost in things that aren't as important. Plus, I feel that if we personally attack someone, then we are failing at what we are trying to do.



They've basically got one reason to force this project through. We've got 100 for them not to. If they want to maneuver politically to get this done without us, then we have to outmaneuver them politically to get it stopped. The first step is unifying the residential base. If we keep our message simple, then we're more likely to lure in a larger group of residents, as opposed to having a complex message which will only stagnate the general public.



I think our flyers should reflect that. We can always carry additional information for those that are more interested. But the flyer is to gain interest and support for our position. If you make the flyer verbose and long, it will basically go straight into the trash. If you make it short and to the point, with little to read, most will read it.

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PostMar 31, 2006#14

I agree with Trent - keep your message simple. Your strongest selling point is probably the fact that an ordinance was passed to prevent any new fast-food outlets from opening. Secondary to that is the fact that the majority of residents in the neighborhood oppose it (or at least that's the impression that I've gotten). When you get into the issue of why the neighbors oppose it, then you get into the trash, noise, wasteful use of land, etc.

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PostMar 31, 2006#15

Alright, I just don't want to limit the list of complaints, but I understand how you go about selling the sale.

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PostMar 31, 2006#16

I just e-mailed Jennifer Florida.

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PostApr 01, 2006#17

What did you say?

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PostApr 01, 2006#18

Try http://www.mcspotlight.org/campaigns/cu ... index.html for flyers, placards and graphics. This is a great resource.

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PostApr 04, 2006#19

any news?

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PostApr 04, 2006#20

Sorry this is such a late posting, but I just got back home and got this email from Dale.


Many folks in Gravois Park and other parts of South St. Louis are

opposed to the McDonald's relocation.



Recently I proposed to some of you the idea of passing out a flyer

(draft attached) to voters on Tuesday in the 15th Ward (political

location of the new McD).



The concept that those who turn out to a simple school board election

will be the opinion-shapers, those likely to act upon reading, blah blah

blah. We stand on the sidewalk and offer our flyer to voters

approaching.



And therefore it's much more efficient to pass out flyers in front of

the polls rather than going door to door.



Anyway, I've determined that although there are six precincts, there are

ONLY TWO polling places in the 15th Ward:

Mann School, 4047 Juniata, and

Fanning School Gym, 3417 Grace (enter from Giles)



The polls are open 7-7, I believe, Tuesday.



So we could do this with as few as six people, one at each polling place

for a morning, a lunch hour and a late afternoon/early evening shift.

If our availabilities don't overlap, so what--at least we cover the

busiest times.



SCHEDULE:

Mann School

Morning Dale 7-10:30

Lunch you?

Evening 5:30-7



Fanning School Gym

Morning you?

Lunch you?

Evening you?



So we need at least four other volunteers to contact me on Monday,

please. (I'm in court from 8:45-10 then otherwise at cell #574-7445 or

evening at home 762-0296.) I will have the flyers with me at home

Monday night for you to pick up or I can bring them to you.



This is not a Gravois Park Neighborhood Association-sponsored activity.

The opinions are not necessarily those of the association.



Thanks.

Dale Sweet


If anyone can help out, it would be great. There are flyers available. Unfortunately I will be tied up the entire day tomorrow, but you should be able to contact Dale at 314-762-0296. His best available time is early mornings.



Unfortunately none of you yahoos make any of your email addys public, so I can't forward the PDF to anyone for use tomorrow. I will try to check my email tomorrow morning if you want the PDF, just shoot me a PM.

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PostApr 04, 2006#21

I'd love to help hand them out, but I am booked all day unforunately.

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PostApr 04, 2006#22

I am handing out fliers at 4-7 today at Fanning School.

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PostApr 04, 2006#23

unrelated:



but in time we get more visible and legitimate we could give out awards for best urbanist project, best rehab, landscaping/lighting, etc.



They could be the 'Upwards' (STLUP + Award)



Award could also be given for worst projects as well, they would be could 'Downwards.'

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PostApr 04, 2006#24

^That is an interesting idea. We should fingure out how to do something like this. I don't think we need any awards ceremony, but some type of award to hand out and a press release would be cool.

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