i'd say there are considerably more than a thousand folks within frame here:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/StLouis/comments/1lbyesn/very_proud_of_stl_today_no_kings/
https://www.reddit.com/r/StLouis/comments/1lbyesn/very_proud_of_stl_today_no_kings/
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^I'm inclined to agree with you that the shot from Reddit looks like a lot more people, and there are a few possible explanations. One possibility is that there really are more people in the reddit shot you linked than the aerial shot, as maybe people were still arriving and the crowd size grew. And it's also possible someone shopped the thing. (I mean, they did, but not necessarily to grow the crowd. You can see that someone censored out a bunch of posters at least.) But the angle and the lens really do make a difference. The aerial view makes the crowd look less dense because you can see the boundaries of the crowd better and you can see the ground between people. (Though, man, they really are jammed in there.) And the "ground" level view gets rid of the boundaries and nearly all of the ground, making the crowd look both more dense than it really is and more indefinite, and thus harder to gage. I do a lot of miniature photography and as an odd bit of storytelling I set up a crowd scene and a parade, so I have two pictures of a crowd from nearly identical angles to what you have there; an aerial shot like Quincunx's and a just above ground shot like yours. Bear with me. It's a bit off topic. But maybe it shows the effect. Since I set them up I can promise the two crowds aren't merely the same size, but they're in the same positions. I didn't move anything but the camera. (And maybe a light or two.) And hey, the crowd is celebrating the inclusion of aliens in their community in direct defiance of the glorious leader, so . . . it even fits. (It wasn't really about present events. I had my parade five years ago. It was just an accidental parallel. But . . . well . . . it feels suddenly apt.)
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It's like that STL Density photo posted here a few years ago. When you take a photo at that angle, all the parking lots aren't visible that we know are there and flattening miles of buildings STL looks really dense.
Either way, that's a historical STL pic. It's getting lots of buzz around the country, too.
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Anecdotal, but a coworker of mine said that he went to a birthday that day downtown and the birthday girl was nearly an hour late to the party as she had to wait more than half an hour to cross the street in front of her hotel due to how tightly packed the throng of protesters was.
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It’s clear that there were many thousands of people at the protest in StL. Exactly how many is hard to tell but it’s well over 1K.
It certainly looks like more people attended the StL protest than attended the stupid parade in DC
It certainly looks like more people attended the StL protest than attended the stupid parade in DC
The president who promised in his campaign to end the Russia-Ukraine war in 24 hours and to quickly restore peace to the Middle East, and who said Kamala Harris would start WWIII, is now seriously close to entering a war with Iran.
It should go without saying how disastrous this would be for the United States without any meaningful strategic benefit.
Iran is not Iraq. Iran is Mountainous and has 90 million people. Its population centers and seats of power are nowhere near the Persian Gulf.
The US death toll in any such campaign would dwarf the Iraq war.
It should go without saying how disastrous this would be for the United States without any meaningful strategic benefit.
Iran is not Iraq. Iran is Mountainous and has 90 million people. Its population centers and seats of power are nowhere near the Persian Gulf.
The US death toll in any such campaign would dwarf the Iraq war.
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Nobody becomes president without the OK from the military-industrial complex.
The MIC would have preferred Kamala because she is far more controllable.
Trump is a loose cannon and strays from the leash sometimes, but he’s doing a fine job of going along with the MIC right now.
The MIC would have preferred Kamala because she is far more controllable.
Trump is a loose cannon and strays from the leash sometimes, but he’s doing a fine job of going along with the MIC right now.
I live in Tampa now, but I recently visited St. Louis. My friends from Chicago and New York were surprised how dense and urban St. Louis was. My New York friend was impressed with neigborhoods, said they remind her of Brooklyn. Even the northern part of the city has a lot of structural density still. I think the problem is that a lot of neighborhoods are just disjointed and we definitely need to have some sort of blight campaign.
Tampon is your typical sprawled, bland suburban hellscape that most sunbelt cities are. Lol
Thanks to the Supreme Court, personal rights will look different depending on which side of the river you live on. In some ways, St. Louis will be unique in offering the ability to have Illinois (American Constitution) and Missouri (Gilead) in one region.
Maybe that’s a silver lining.
Maybe that’s a silver lining.
Level up your nutrition and exercise routine. Healthcare is going to get worse and more expensive.
But 
said energy bills would go down by half in a year!
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/27/climate/ ... y-costs-dg
said energy bills would go down by half in a year!https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/27/climate/ ... y-costs-dg
https://www.pennlive.com/business/2025/ ... al-pa.html
Btw, this is what most of the "billions of investments" Trump touts will ultimately end up being. I guess it's good for the steel industry, construction industry, and computer industry, for the material to build all this, but the local economy will ultimately not see much of an improvement.
This $26 billion turns into 70 guaranteed jobs, scaling up to 175 permanent jobs. Literally burning $26 billion so rich people can mess around with AI. And who knows how much behind the scenes dealings are being made to subsidize it.
I guess they'd better tax the sh*t out of these properties to at least get more tax revenue.
Btw, this is what most of the "billions of investments" Trump touts will ultimately end up being. I guess it's good for the steel industry, construction industry, and computer industry, for the material to build all this, but the local economy will ultimately not see much of an improvement.
This $26 billion turns into 70 guaranteed jobs, scaling up to 175 permanent jobs. Literally burning $26 billion so rich people can mess around with AI. And who knows how much behind the scenes dealings are being made to subsidize it.
I guess they'd better tax the sh*t out of these properties to at least get more tax revenue.
^ Thanks for positing. I would love to see the breakdown of what actually makes up say the $5 billion for a data center development/park. No doubt the computers/severs or what is inside the warehouses makes up the greatest portion of that number/value. From there I assume and speculate the mechanical/electrical systems powering & keeping things cool is the next biggest cost item as well as the backup generators (which has turned out good for Caterpillar & other industrial suppliers). Followed far down the list the value of the building and site itself.
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In other words, whoever is providing the inner workings is benefitting an are or region the most as you are talking manufacturing & supporting facilities employing hundreds and hundreds of jobs vs glorified server filled warehouses with a lot less employees. So yes, dollars make great headlines but the value & investment in those number literally coming from somewhere else. Just curious how that all breaks down.
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In other words, whoever is providing the inner workings is benefitting an are or region the most as you are talking manufacturing & supporting facilities employing hundreds and hundreds of jobs vs glorified server filled warehouses with a lot less employees. So yes, dollars make great headlines but the value & investment in those number literally coming from somewhere else. Just curious how that all breaks down.
Lots of talk about Missouri redistricting and cracking Kansas City to make it a 7-1 map for 2026.
Bloomberg - The High Costs of Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful’ New Car Loan Deduction
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... is-no-gift
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... is-no-gift
Missouri Mapper uploaded 2024 precinct level data for the state, meaning we have city level data!!
City: 2024 Margin (2016-2024 swing)
Overland: D+24 (D+10)
Olivette: D+57 (D+2)
Creve Coeur: D+27 (D+9)
Clayton: D+55 (D+7)
University City: D+66 (R+2)
Richmond Heights: D+47 (D+5)
Maplewood: D+56 (D+11)
Shrewsbury; D+33 (D+15)
Kirkwood: D+28 (D+11)
Maryland Heights: D+28 (D+14)
Brentwood: D+27 (D+14)
Webster Groves: D+48 (D+12)
Crestwood: D+22 (D+17)
Ladue: D+8 (D+10)
Lemay: D+3 (D+3)
Affton: D+15 (D+12)
Mehlville: R+0 (D+6)
Concord: R+2 (D+12)
Oakville: R+15 (D+10)
Sappington: D+2 (D+12)
Sunset Hills: R+8 (D+14)
Fenton: R+16 (D+9)
Valley Park: D+3 (D+11)
Des Peres: R+3 (D+15)
Frontenac: D+2 (D+9)
Town and Country: R+10 (D+10)
Chesterfield: D+5 (D+15)
Manchester: D+8 (D+14)
Ballwin: D+2 (D+16)
Ellisville: R+9 (D+15)
Wildwood: R+17 (D+12)
St. Charles City: R+2 (D+12)
St. Peters: R+7 (D+15)
O'Fallon: R+19 (D+9)
STL City: D+65 (D+1)
STL County: D+23 (D+7)
St. Charles County: R+17 (D+9)
City: 2024 Margin (2016-2024 swing)
Overland: D+24 (D+10)
Olivette: D+57 (D+2)
Creve Coeur: D+27 (D+9)
Clayton: D+55 (D+7)
University City: D+66 (R+2)
Richmond Heights: D+47 (D+5)
Maplewood: D+56 (D+11)
Shrewsbury; D+33 (D+15)
Kirkwood: D+28 (D+11)
Maryland Heights: D+28 (D+14)
Brentwood: D+27 (D+14)
Webster Groves: D+48 (D+12)
Crestwood: D+22 (D+17)
Ladue: D+8 (D+10)
Lemay: D+3 (D+3)
Affton: D+15 (D+12)
Mehlville: R+0 (D+6)
Concord: R+2 (D+12)
Oakville: R+15 (D+10)
Sappington: D+2 (D+12)
Sunset Hills: R+8 (D+14)
Fenton: R+16 (D+9)
Valley Park: D+3 (D+11)
Des Peres: R+3 (D+15)
Frontenac: D+2 (D+9)
Town and Country: R+10 (D+10)
Chesterfield: D+5 (D+15)
Manchester: D+8 (D+14)
Ballwin: D+2 (D+16)
Ellisville: R+9 (D+15)
Wildwood: R+17 (D+12)
St. Charles City: R+2 (D+12)
St. Peters: R+7 (D+15)
O'Fallon: R+19 (D+9)
STL City: D+65 (D+1)
STL County: D+23 (D+7)
St. Charles County: R+17 (D+9)
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Isn't this counter to everything we saw actually happen in '24?Auggie wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2025Missouri Mapper uploaded 2024 precinct level data for the state, meaning we have city level data!!
City: 2024 Margin (2016-2024 swing)
Overland: D+24 (D+10)
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St. Charles County: R+17 (D+9)
Yes sort of. I showed the difference from 2016 to 2024, not 2020 to 2024 since 2020 was pretty much a Democratic landslide on the popular vote. From 2016 to 2024, STL County and St. Charles have both shifted well to the left. It's part of a national trend where suburbs generally are becoming more liberal while rural areas are becoming more conservative.Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2025Isn't this counter to everything we saw actually happen in '24?Auggie wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2025Missouri Mapper uploaded 2024 precinct level data for the state, meaning we have city level data!!
City: 2024 Margin (2016-2024 swing)
Overland: D+24 (D+10)
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St. Charles County: R+17 (D+9)
What's most interesting to me is cities like Ballwin, Chesterfield, and Manchester look like they are probably going to be reliably Democratic moving forward even though they have a conservative reputation.
Trump won the popular vote in 2024 not because he won suburbs, but because there were massive right-ward shifts in major cities, probably due to big declines in turnout.
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Off-topic but relevant economic commentary:
Expect broader market momentum to pivot towards anemic forward progress, perhaps even the breakout of a full-on contraction. We have declining employment and fewer jobs than jobseekers; higher prices of goods for both individual and corporate consumers, bringing down sentiment indicators for both; six straight months of manufacturing declines (see: ISM Manufacturing PMI); the loss of international markets priced out from tariffs, etc.; and inflation growing higher, eschewing the "soft landing" in favor of something, well, not so soft. And this is all amidst a growing climate of geopolitical upheaval, whether discussing the rise of China after the Shanghai Cooperation Organization last week, or the prolonged continuation of the Russo-Ukrainian War, or whatever the Epstein Thing delivers next, noting that the "Birthday Card and Poem" from the current President to the dead financier, pimp, and underage sexual slaver back on the latter's 50th birthday was just published this afternoon. Throughout all this time, our new tariff regime keeps progressing through the courts, now approaching the US Supremes, and no certainty to what happens next.
The Wall Street Journal had a cover story today on the rising costs of lumber. This is very important to construction as a base material for new builds. It also acts as a harbinger for growing price inflation, as well as a sector strength indicator for construction as well as general employment.
Keep your eyes on the tariffs for basic materials, including steel, aluminum, and lumber. If these spike, then we'll likely see that construction slowdown no one wants. Happy Monday.
Expect broader market momentum to pivot towards anemic forward progress, perhaps even the breakout of a full-on contraction. We have declining employment and fewer jobs than jobseekers; higher prices of goods for both individual and corporate consumers, bringing down sentiment indicators for both; six straight months of manufacturing declines (see: ISM Manufacturing PMI); the loss of international markets priced out from tariffs, etc.; and inflation growing higher, eschewing the "soft landing" in favor of something, well, not so soft. And this is all amidst a growing climate of geopolitical upheaval, whether discussing the rise of China after the Shanghai Cooperation Organization last week, or the prolonged continuation of the Russo-Ukrainian War, or whatever the Epstein Thing delivers next, noting that the "Birthday Card and Poem" from the current President to the dead financier, pimp, and underage sexual slaver back on the latter's 50th birthday was just published this afternoon. Throughout all this time, our new tariff regime keeps progressing through the courts, now approaching the US Supremes, and no certainty to what happens next.
The Wall Street Journal had a cover story today on the rising costs of lumber. This is very important to construction as a base material for new builds. It also acts as a harbinger for growing price inflation, as well as a sector strength indicator for construction as well as general employment.
Keep your eyes on the tariffs for basic materials, including steel, aluminum, and lumber. If these spike, then we'll likely see that construction slowdown no one wants. Happy Monday.