Black voters turnout is going to be lower this election. I tried to tell people this, but I was just called a Trump supporter.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2024Any idea why voting lines in near North County are so low, compared to the rest of the county?
Line lengths here:
https://stlouiscovotes.maps.arcgis.com/ ... istance=15
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why is the turnout low?goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2024Black voters turnout is going to be lower this election. I tried to tell people this, but I was just called a Trump supporter.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2024Any idea why voting lines in near North County are so low, compared to the rest of the county?
Line lengths here:
https://stlouiscovotes.maps.arcgis.com/ ... istance=15
Apathy. A lot of black people are mad at the Democrats. They feel like they've been neglected.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024why is the turnout low?goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2024Black voters turnout is going to be lower this election. I tried to tell people this, but I was just called a Trump supporter.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 28, 2024Any idea why voting lines in near North County are so low, compared to the rest of the county?
Line lengths here:
https://stlouiscovotes.maps.arcgis.com/ ... istance=15
I'd like love to know exactly what black voters want. White evangelicals and protestants demand all kinds of crap, Trump did absolutely none of it, and they turn out in droves anyway. Black voters demand XYZ and Biden does XY, and they feel neglected, at least according to you.
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But why is Detroit (77% black) having a much higher turn out than the state of Michigan so far in early voting? Philly matching PA
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why were they neglected?goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Apathy. A lot of black people are mad at the Democrats. They feel like they've been neglected.
More like black folks ask for ABC and Democrats promise to do ABC since the 60s, do XYZ for everyone else, then tell black people they need vote or Republicans will take ABC from you, even though we never got ABC in the first place.Auggie wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024I'd like love to know exactly what black voters want. White evangelicals and protestants demand all kinds of crap, Trump did absolutely none of it, and they turn out in droves anyway. Black voters demand XYZ and Biden does XY, and they feel neglected, at least according to you.
Why was there slavery and Jim Crow?
So name me what you desperately want Democrats to do and how they're not doing it.goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024More like black folks ask for ABC and Democrats promise to do ABC since the 60s, do XYZ for everyone else, then tell black people they need vote or Republicans will take ABC from you, even though we never got ABC in the first place.Auggie wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024I'd like love to know exactly what black voters want. White evangelicals and protestants demand all kinds of crap, Trump did absolutely none of it, and they turn out in droves anyway. Black voters demand XYZ and Biden does XY, and they feel neglected, at least according to you.
Because Obama greatly expanded health care to poor Americans, who are disproportionately black. Trump tried repealing that. Biden has expanded funding for the ACA and the number of insured Americans has never been higher. Biden has appointed more black people to the federal courts than any president ever. Biden passed a massive infrastructure funding bill that included tens of billions for transit, something that disproportionately helps black people. The Green Line project in STL, which would greatly help black people, would not have a chance of happening without the Infrastructure bill that Biden pushed. He got federal interracial marriage protections. The American Rescue Plan was one of the single biggest direct redistributions of wealth in a single law the country as ever seen.
So that's not enough? Even though he had razor thin majorities and was blocked for the second half of his term, it just wasn't enough and you feel "neglected". Grow up or admit the only reason you don't like Harris is because she's a woman. Good lord.
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Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
I agree with all of this. Most Democrats are also hostile against any form of reparations for the systematic racism and discrimination that black Americans have faced in this county.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
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Just a reminder that Trump’s rally speakers made racist “jokes” about black people and watermelon. For those keeping score, no racist jokes were heard at Kamala Harris’ recent campaign events.
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I must say, I'm somewhat proud of St. Louis for its efforts on that front.goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024I agree with all of this. Most Democrats are also hostile against any form of reparations for the systematic racism and discrimination that black Americans have faced in this county.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
It seems it is ahead of most cities on this issue.
https://www.stlpr.org/race-identity-and ... arm-report
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MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
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On Dems public option for healthcare "refusal" -- some of you are too young or have short memories. Democrats wanted a public option for health care, like Medicare for all, but as you may know, it would never have passed Congress under Obama with Republicans and blue-dog democrats from the South still in Congress back then. So Obama had to dial back to a version Romneycare for the ACA invented by the Heritage Foundation which kept Insurance companies and their profits in the loop. Still, the ACA was a HUGE improvement.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
1. I still recall the large meeting at McDonnell Douglas where I worked just before the ACA, when the insurance rep stated that now there would be a lifetime limit of $1 million on their payouts. An employee spoke up and said that could be used up fast in a very serious illness like cancer and drive the family to bankruptcy. The rep replied they think only a few will hit that. Fortunately ACA outlawed lifetime limits on ALL health insurance payouts forever.
2. A pre-medicare-age co-worker of mine had serious heart failure issues. But he was still working just for the healthcare insurance. He thought he couldn't retire because no insurance company would insure him due to his pre-existing condition. I informed him that under the newly passed ACA that was illegal for all insurance companies. So he did retire as he should have and got health care insurance and hence was not bankrupted by his numerous healthcare bills.
But apparently, despite all these actual experienced benefits, because it doesn't meet some unattainable ideal of perfection worked up in one's head it means that the ACA is as good as nothing and we might as well get rid of it and not have it at allgary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024On Dems public option for healthcare "refusal" -- some of you are too young or have short memories. Democrats wanted a public option for health care, like Medicare for all, but as you may know, it would never have passed Congress under Obama with Republicans and blue-dog democrats from the South still in Congress back then. So Obama had to dial back to a version Romneycare for the ACA invented by the Heritage Foundation which kept Insurance companies and their profits in the loop. Still, the ACA was a HUGE improvement.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
1. I still recall the large meeting at McDonnell Douglas where I worked just before the ACA, when the insurance rep stated that now there would be a lifetime limit of $1 million on their payouts. An employee spoke up and said that could be used up fast in a very serious illness like cancer and drive the family to bankruptcy. The rep replied they think only a few will hit that. Fortunately ACA outlawed lifetime limits on ALL health insurance payouts forever.
2. A pre-medicare-age co-worker of mine had serious heart failure issues. But he was still working just for the healthcare insurance. He thought he couldn't retire because no insurance company would insure him due to his pre-existing condition. I informed him that under the newly passed ACA that was illegal for all insurance companies. So he did retire as he should have and got health care insurance and hence was not bankrupted by his numerous healthcare bills.
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Does anyone know what percentage of eligible voters are undecided? Also, what percentage of voters on an average do not end up voting?
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5-8% are undecidedstlurbanist wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Does anyone know what percentage of eligible voters are undecided? Also, what percentage of voters on an average do not end up voting?
and about 32-35% of registered voters will not vote this year, about 70% of adults are registered to vote
if you look at the entire adult pop, in most years the split between candidate A, B and not voting is pretty close...35/32/33 or some variation
*RepublicansMarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
Then just stop talking. Because you're opinion is beyond useless if you think Democrats need to do all that impossible sh*t for you to not "feel neglected".goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024I agree with all of this. Most Democrats are also hostile against any form of reparations for the systematic racism and discrimination that black Americans have faced in this county.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
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None of that is any more impossible than airlifting trillions of dollars of explosives onto middle eastern schools. The Democrats pretend it's impossible because they don't want to do those things, they just want to be the ones getting paid to not do those things.Auggie wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Then just stop talking. Because you're opinion is beyond useless if you think Democrats need to do all that impossible sh*t for you to not "feel neglected".goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024I agree with all of this. Most Democrats are also hostile against any form of reparations for the systematic racism and discrimination that black Americans have faced in this county.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
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Here is where I'm at
i think these are the 3 most likely outcomes, Harris wins in 2.
i think these are the 3 most likely outcomes, Harris wins in 2.
I agree 100%. Both parties have been totally paid off.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024None of that is any more impossible than airlifting trillions of dollars of explosives onto middle eastern schools. The Democrats pretend it's impossible because they don't want to do those things, they just want to be the ones getting paid to not do those things.Auggie wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Then just stop talking. Because you're opinion is beyond useless if you think Democrats need to do all that impossible sh*t for you to not "feel neglected".goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024
I agree with all of this. Most Democrats are also hostile against any form of reparations for the systematic racism and discrimination that black Americans have faced in this county.
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I'm extremely aware of every facet of the ACA as both a former Democrat and an insurance professional. The ACA was the bare minimum needed to keep the status quo shambling along without fixing the fundamental problems with health care. The fact that it was a material improvement just goes to show how awful and inhumane the prior system was, but the ACA is still mostly as bad most of the time. Millions of Americans still can't afford health care, they just got taxed for care they couldn't afford to use. Not to mention skyrocketing costs and collapsing provider networks across the country that Democrats are doing nothing about. At least people have insurance they can't cover the deductible on to pay for the hospital that closed.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024On Dems public option for healthcare "refusal" -- some of you are too young or have short memories. Democrats wanted a public option for health care, like Medicare for all, but as you may know, it would never have passed Congress under Obama with Republicans and blue-dog democrats from the South still in Congress back then. So Obama had to dial back to a version Romneycare for the ACA invented by the Heritage Foundation which kept Insurance companies and their profits in the loop. Still, the ACA was a HUGE improvement.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Democrats refused to create a public option for health care, refused to raise the federal minimum wage, refused to support unions (card check, rail strike), refused to legalize abortion, refused to control police violence, and support an ongoing genocide in Gaza.
I'm sure there are people who don't support Harris because of misogyny, but not nearly as many as Democrats would like to pretend. She seems to have a significantly higher approval rating than Biden, for instance.
1. I still recall the large meeting at McDonnell Douglas where I worked just before the ACA, when the insurance rep stated that now there would be a lifetime limit of $1 million on their payouts. An employee spoke up and said that could be used up fast in a very serious illness like cancer and drive the family to bankruptcy. The rep replied they think only a few will hit that. Fortunately ACA outlawed lifetime limits on ALL health insurance payouts forever.
2. A pre-medicare-age co-worker of mine had serious heart failure issues. But he was still working just for the healthcare insurance. He thought he couldn't retire because no insurance company would insure him due to his pre-existing condition. I informed him that under the newly passed ACA that was illegal for all insurance companies. So he did retire as he should have and got health care insurance and hence was not bankrupted by his numerous healthcare bills.
Fundamentally the problem is that health care is incompatible with capitalism, and Democrats will never fix that voluntarily.
It's meaningless to say "the Democrats wanted a public option but couldn't get it through the Democrats in Congress". They could've easily passed it, they had like 3/5 of both houses. They put rules in place to prevent themselves from being able to pass it, then said they couldn't pass it. They do this with every major issue, they bury it in bureaucracy and tell voters they tried their best. "Sorry, we needed 60 votes to pass it, but we only had 58. We need 50 votes to change the rules to pass it with 51 but we only had 49 votes for a rule change. It's all because of the bad Democrats, but remember to vote blue no matter who. Anyway, will your donation be by cash or check?"
I think the fact that 80% of what I hear in support of Harris is along the lines of "she doesn't tell racist jokes" tells me everything I need to know about her material impact on our lives.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2024Just a reminder that Trump’s rally speakers made racist “jokes” about black people and watermelon. For those keeping score, no racist jokes were heard at Kamala Harris’ recent campaign events.