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Great idea! Marquette Park is in one of the densest parts of the region so making it a better green oasis away from city life is welcomed!

Yes, I also dream of a reconstructed I-64 and Forest Parkway to relieve Forest Park of its highway restraint and connect it better to its surrounding neighborhoods. It is its one MAJOR flaw


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They should have buried 64 along Forest Park when they rebuilt it 20 years ago. 

Let me know if this should be in Unbuilt STL instead.

Miss Shell wrote:They should have buried 64 along Forest Park when they rebuilt it 20 years ago. 

I don’t recall seeing any AI images of what it could look like on here, so I took a stab at creating a rendering. I’m sure it would cost north of $1B, but it would be worth every penny to connect Forest Park to the neighborhoods south of it.

Los Angeles' proposed E Line LRT extension comes in at $7.9 billion for 4.7 miles and an estimated 7,550 daily riders. The line includes a mix of underground, elevated, and grade running sections. They are seeking federal funding for half the project.

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LA really has pretty good transit now. It certainly has coverage. Needs more for its population but it is underrated in my opinion. People act like it is a transit hellscape yet its miles of rail are getting up there

It just has bad transit culture. People don’t take advantage of it enough


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^^^Yes definitely needs more adoption. I will be honest though, I've seen more wild sh*t on the LA metro in maybe 6-7 trips there than the Metrolink here in my entire adult life. The security is lackluster at best, but I think that's sort of systemic. 2x the passengers could head some of that off. But chicken vs. egg...

The downtown light rail tunnel made connections so much more efficient. The A and E Lines now run straight through Downtown as opposed to previously being like 4 different lines that all terminated downtown. It's actually pretty cool that downtown LA has multiple subway tunnels now.

What sucks is that most of their sports stadiums are not transit connected at all. Crypto.com Arena being downtown is fine, but Dodgers and Angels Stadiums are terrible, Honda Center is terrible, Sofi Stadium is terrible, and the Intuit Dome is a very long walk to the nearest metro station though it's doable. So it's hard for me to make an excuse to go to LA and try out their transit since my primary travel excuse is to go watch the Cardinals play an away game :/

Visited LA last year, stayed at the JW Mariott downtown, and walked across downtown, but I couldn't find an excuse to try the transit like I'm normally able to do. Obviously not indicative of someone who lives there.

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In 1926, the City of St. Louis Government commissioned a Rapid Transit Report, which proposed a network consisting of six subway and elevated lines radiating from the downtown area to the city limits.
This featured parking facilities at each terminus, aiming to replace certain streetcar routes and integrate with bus lines.
A missed opportunity which could still be rectified with a subway system to enhance the marketability of our city.

https://imgur.com/a/rcXQPNj

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... -top-story

MLK Bridge replacement will cost $629 million and take 15 years. The bridge sees about 7,000 vehicles cross per day.

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That bridge does not seem historic in any way and it “hides” views of the historic Eads bridge. Would they use the existing piers and totally replace the deck and superstructure?


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Or widen the new bridge to allow for traffic to be closed across the Eads

Is a replacement even necessary? Between the PSB, Eads, and Stan Span, it seems like we have already have enough, and getting rid of it would open up the opportunity to develop the lots on Laclede’s Landing that the MLK Bridge covers.

^This is my question. I feel like having just one lane going westbound is an admission of surplus infrastructure.

The article says about 2,500 vehicles go west everyday vs 4,500 that go east. It also says the bridge is primarily used as a sort of release valve for the Polar Street Bridge should there be an accident or construction.

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Bring back the car deck on the MacArthur, cowards!

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:Add the additional lanes to the Stan Span and develop the landing with Marina and residential. 

I feel like IF a replacement happens it will be a flat concrete little brother to the poplar.  I had always wanted the MLK painted yellow or some bright color, similar to bridges in Pitt or WV - add to the downtown visual.  Anyway, hope its not a value engineered POS. 

Fully support that. Maybe I’m misremembering, but wasn’t there talk of eventually adding a second Stan Span to have one bridge fully WB and one going EB? That and the PSB should be more than enough.

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TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:Add the additional lanes to the Stan Span and develop the landing with Marina and residential. 

I feel like IF a replacement happens it will be a flat concrete little brother to the poplar.  I had always wanted the MLK painted yellow or some bright color, similar to bridges in Pitt or WV - add to the downtown visual.  Anyway, hope its not a value engineered POS. 

Fully support that. Maybe I’m misremembering, but wasn’t there talk of eventually adding a second Stan Span to have one bridge fully WB and one going EB? That and the PSB should be more than enough.

Yes. that is a possibility and the layout has that in mind.

Isn't one issue too the PSB may be nearing end of life in the near future? A PSB rebuild would be an opportunity to improve other infrastructure at the same time. Thinking make it a multipurpose bridge by adding dedicated passenger rail tracks which would allow shifting Amtrak and any other potential services off existing lines increasing capacity to move rail freight. Could also design it in a way to add High Speed Rail on the same span allowing the bridge to solve multiple transportation issues.

I think there's a certain value to having a variety of different bridges near one another. I'd honestly like something like the Merchants replacement: keep the look of the current bridge, as best as possible, but enlarge it and modernize it. Poplar Street will be the next bridge requiring replacement, I suspect. You can probably replace that one half at a time, so long as MLK can take the overflow. Make that a signature bridge in a contemporary style. (But not Calatrava!) Once that's complete pedestrianize Eads. Make it a linear park. MLK is a remarkably useful alternative during construction, and there will be a lot of it.

MLK is a remarkably useful alternative during construction,  foresight analysis I agree

^It's almost a quote out of one of the articles I'd read. Your article by chance? All that said, I completely believe it. Forest Park is usually quiet, but particularly busy when 40 is closed. MLK helps out when there's trouble on the Poplar Street. That's why they call them "relievers" I suppose.

BarryGlick wrote:In 1926, the City of St. Louis Government commissioned a Rapid Transit Report, which proposed a network consisting of six subway and elevated lines radiating from the downtown area to the city limits.
This featured parking facilities at each terminus, aiming to replace certain streetcar routes and integrate with bus lines.
A missed opportunity which could still be rectified with a subway system to enhance the marketability of our city.

https://imgur.com/a/rcXQPNj

My goodness this is almost like the perfect map for transit in StL. I can’t believe we didn’t get this done at the time

Instead we got dividing interstates and a 70 year decline


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