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PostJul 13, 2010#1

Some cities combine different services on the same transit map. BRT + Light Rail + Commuter Rail on one map for example. Lines that are under construction, but not yet built are often shown as dotted lines on the map in order to build anticipation.

I've seen a number of maps for what our proposed transit system would look like with combined bus and rail, but I've yet to see one that's user friendly for people using the service showing transfer points and so on.

Anybody know of a good program to use to generate such a map?

I guess the loop trolley ought to be included as well.

This doesn't tell me where to transfer,


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PostJul 13, 2010#2

maps.google.com

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PostJul 13, 2010#3

if you want something made for you, no idea, but if you're willing to make it yourself, photoshop or gimp would work well.

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PostJul 14, 2010#4

not so helpful, but I'll get back to you guys when I get around to making something.

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PostJul 14, 2010#5

Like this?

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PostFeb 17, 2021#6

Decided to make another, more realistic, map of how I might lay out some future transit lines in St. Louis.  The first one I did was a bit more fantasy and I posted it in the Transportation Catch All thread, but didn't want to take that thread too far off topic.  This seems like a good enough spot.

Made quite a few changes from the first map that I'll detail a bit more below.  I split the system up into three divisions; Urban, Suburban, and Regional and switched the orientation back to the more traditional north/south view I think most of us view the region in.  Illinois will come a bit later.  Here's the map...right click, view in new tab should get you some decent zoom:


Urban Division:
The Urban division has four lines (Yellow, Orange, and Green A/B).  The Yellow line remains the Cross City line, running from Spanish Lake to South Broadway with no direct downtown service.  The Orange line runs from Florissant Valley to downtown.  The Green A/B lines split at Grand and Gravois.  Line A continues down Grand and Lemay Ferry to Mehlville Terminal.  Line B continues down Gravois to Affton.  Once the Green and Orange lines meet on Jefferson, they turn east and run down Olive to 8th over to Spruce then to 14th and back to Olive creating a downtown loop that would connect with the existing 8th & Pine, Stadium, and Civic/Gateway stations.

The rolling stock can be left up to your imagination.  It can be ART, BRT, LRT, or STC.  I tried to design this somewhat in line with what is likely to be proposed in the near future with N/S (my routings are obviously a bit different).  There is really no chance it's going to be the high floor vehicles that we use on the existing lines...so whether it's low floor street running LRT or BRT or something else, the lines I've drawn in this division don't require sharing any trackage with the existing MetroLink.

Suburban Division:
This one is pretty self-explanatory, it's just MetroLink!  Like I said, I kept the original alignment this time around and the extensions mapped out here (Turquoise, Silver, and Blue) largely track (heh) with Metro's older long range plan.  I did eliminate the Blue Bird commuter rail in favor of the Turquoise line that runs from downtown to Sunset Park in Florissant.  It would divert from the Red line at the 70/170 interchange...where Metro has already partially started the flyover.  The Silver, or Cross County, line would run from the Airport to Mehlville Terminal, which is also where the Blue line extension would end.  I shifted these two lines into the BNSF corridor for a more direct route to South County and I routed the Cross County line to the Airport instead of Florissant because I think a one seat airport ride from Clayton is ideal.  Lambert Junction was created to facilitate transfers between those three lines for airport and other users.  There would be no ground access at that station, simply a transfer between the Red, Silver and Turquoise lines.

Speaking of other MetroLink extensions...I did note the funded and coming MidAmerica expansion in Illinois on the key.  It'll make into an Illinois map eventually.

Regional Division
I personally think a commuter rail system as envisioned here is quite unlikely for the St. Louis region, even if I think it might be cheaper and more politically feasible in faraway places like St. Charles, etc.  But it's fun to think about, so I kept it.  Biggest change here, aside from the removal of the Blue Bird, was changing all the Missouri lines to pink.  Eventually I'll get around to mapping out Illinois and I have some commuter rail ideas there...those lines will be purple.  I extended the Cannon Ball to Washington as well.  Pulled the fantasy Central Exchange station I had originally put downtown and just ended these lines at the existing Gateway Station.  Though I would imagine a multi-line system like this would require a larger station...or a least a couple more platforms.

I did take @symphonicpoet's advice on a couple of the MoPac names too!  The Pacific was switched to the Scenic and the Frisco to the Firefly.

You'll notice I did keep out the Westport MetroLink extension in favor of the Cannon Ball commuter rail line.  Despite Westport being a regional attraction and having a significant number of jobs, I just think it's too sprawled and too industrial in nature to be worthy for an expensive light rail investment.  I think the Cannon Ball line depicted here combined with robust shuttle and bus service (or other last mile services) can provide service to Westport, Creve Coeur (City and Park), 39 North, Old Olive, and more.

Other:
As before, I did note a few other things on the map.  Mostly some high-frequency bus lines and various greenway and cycling connections.  I added several more than I did the first time around too.  Most of the greenways depicted here are already completed.  I also drew out the funded and soon to start Tower Grove/Vandeventer/Sarah and 20th Street cycle tracks, plus the planned Tucker track and a potential connection to the Trestle.  There could be dozens more of these (like Brickline) but I didn't want to clutter the map too terribly much.

Like I said in my last map post...high-frequency buses don't have to be BRT or anything fancy...just buses that run every 10 minutes or so.  Proposed routes depicted here:
Washington/MLK/Rock Road
14th/West Florissant/Jennings Station/367
14th/Chouteau/Manchester
4th/7th Boulevard/South Broadway
Grand Boulevard
Kingshighway/Morgan Ford
Wabash/McCausland/Skinker/Jennings Station/367
Jamieson/Hampton/Germania
Lindbergh Boulevard
Gravois (south of Affton Station to Gravois Bluffs)

If I think of some more notes I'll add them.

Enjoy!

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PostFeb 17, 2021#7

Nice! My only scruple is that the Southsider seems like a much better corridor for Metrolink. It goes through existing dense neighborhoods and is surrounded by warehouses and industry which provide jobs in the short term and space for TOD in the long term.

sc4mayor
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PostFeb 17, 2021#8

^ Thanks! I did consider that actually and while that would be nice for the city portion I thought a third light rail line stretching out into South County in the same general area was a bit overkill.

But it could work!

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PostFeb 17, 2021#9

One of the main reasons Grand was not chosen for the Southside Metrolink alignment is because it is narrow, there wouldn't be room for dedicated LRT tracks and 2 lanes of traffic. I think it's really best suited for a BRT that would have dedicated lanes north of Arsenal but could run in the street as a frequent bus to the south. 

Otherwise cool system, I especially like the regional rail and frequent buses. 

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PostFeb 17, 2021#10

Speaking of BRT, has anyone thought through this with no N/S Metrolink line and just multiple BRT lines. Considering that conversation is probably happening right now for the prop N/S lines? 

sc4mayor
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PostFeb 17, 2021#11

^^ & ^ To add to both of your comments, the “urban division” I’ve depicted here (which includes the N/S alignment) could be BRT. Like I said I laid this “division” out here as a separate system from MetroLink...so let your imaginations run wild.

^^ I did some spot measurements in another thread (and even added some streetmixer graphics). I do agree that Grand is more narrow than some other identified routes, but I don’t think it should be off the table. I also see absolutely no reason Grand should be two lanes in each direction in any of its segments, north or south.

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PostJul 05, 2022#12

Is there really no way to use public transit to cross over the Missouri River into St. Charles County from St. Louis County – even to their famous Main Street?
 
I was playing around with the Google Maps and Transit apps, and both show an inability to cross the river using public transportation.
 
For a suburb that is hellbent on achieving acknowledgement and respect, it seems backwards to cut themselves off from the 1.3 million residents across the river.

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PostJul 05, 2022#13

SCAT will take you where you need to go!



https://www.stcharlescitymo.gov/331/Park-and-Ride

PostJul 05, 2022#14

Wow, they used to go to the Hanley Metrolink Station, but don't even do that any more.

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PostJul 05, 2022#15

Keep in mind that St. Charles Country does not offer any public bus services - the SCT is operated by the City of St. Charles. And at least it still connects to Metro Route 34 - Earth City / Rider Trail Stop. Though you have to schedule the ride 24 hours in advance. So it's really not surprising that there's no other connectors between St. Charles County and St. Louis County - St. Charles just doesn't have public transit at all.

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PostJul 05, 2022#16

From what you presented me, it appears you could get there by first painstakingly reaching Metro Route 34 - Earth City / Rider Trail Stop.

And that option only would work between 6:30 AM and 6:00 PM.