Very good to hear. Someone needs to take pics. I won't be able to make it down there until tomorrow.
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sethslu wrote:I am looking out my 39th story window at a great site! Actual Ground Breaking on the newest residential development to hit downtown in decades! The drill is hard at work as we speak. I would argue that today is a bigger day in downtown Saint Louis history than either of those last week. Why? Because after years of folks on this board and around St. Louis dreaming, speculating, discussing, complaining, wondering, hoping, about the future of downtown, today, for the first time in decades, there is construction being done on new residential development. The Roberts Tower actual groundbreaking today, Oct. 1, 2007 marks a new day in my opinion. Finally, someone without the incredible tax incentives of rehabbing a historical structure, had enough faith in the city to start building. Before Ballpark Village, before Skyhouse, before Park Pacific, or any other “Big Talker’s” broke ground, the Roberts Bros. actually did it. This is a big day!
That is without a doubt one of the better posts I have ever read.
Please...that drill will sit there for months before it actually is used. People do this all the time, staging with a big piece of equipment...
Eats own foot.
sethslu wrote:I am looking out my 39th story window at a great site! Actual Ground Breaking on the newest residential development to hit downtown in decades! The drill is hard at work as we speak. I would argue that today is a bigger day in downtown Saint Louis history than either of those last week. Why? Because after years of folks on this board and around St. Louis dreaming, speculating, discussing, complaining, wondering, hoping, about the future of downtown, today, for the first time in decades, there is construction being done on new residential development. The Roberts Tower actual groundbreaking today, Oct. 1, 2007 marks a new day in my opinion. Finally, someone without the incredible tax incentives of rehabbing a historical structure, had enough faith in the city to start building. Before Ballpark Village, before Skyhouse, before Park Pacific, or any other “Big Talker’s” broke ground, the Roberts Bros. actually did it. This is a big day!
Awesome mangs!! Let me quote you. There we go.
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How long does it take for Skyscraper page to update their building status on city highrises? If it is really the case Roberts Tower should be listed as "under construction" and not "proposed" and finaly be added to the St.Louis diagram list.
In any case the fact that one of the many proposed highrises projects downtown is finaly underway is very exciting!!! This is a historic day.
In any case the fact that one of the many proposed highrises projects downtown is finaly underway is very exciting!!! This is a historic day.
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i need some evidence. i'm not saying i don't believe you, i want to see for myself. i want to see that drill penetrating the ground. i apologize if that came off dirty. wait, not i don't.
Directorscut18 wrote:How long does it take for Skyscraper page to update their building status on city highrises? If it is really the case Roberts Tower should be listed as "under construction" and not "proposed" and finaly be added to the St.Louis diagram list.
In any case the fact that one of the many proposed highrises projects downtown is finaly underway is very exciting!!! This is a historic day.
I know that often status's don't change until the caissons are in place. I'm not sure I agree with that, but that's the way it goes. I guess it's still possible to bail out when no steel has been added above ground.
I think the Roberts claim of being the first residential building to be built downtown in X number of years is actually true. A great day for the city.
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newstl2020 wrote:sethslu wrote:I am looking out my 39th story window at a great site! Actual Ground Breaking on the newest residential development to hit downtown in decades! The drill is hard at work as we speak. I would argue that today is a bigger day in downtown Saint Louis history than either of those last week. Why? Because after years of folks on this board and around St. Louis dreaming, speculating, discussing, complaining, wondering, hoping, about the future of downtown, today, for the first time in decades, there is construction being done on new residential development. The Roberts Tower actual groundbreaking today, Oct. 1, 2007 marks a new day in my opinion. Finally, someone without the incredible tax incentives of rehabbing a historical structure, had enough faith in the city to start building. Before Ballpark Village, before Skyhouse, before Park Pacific, or any other “Big Talker’s” broke ground, the Roberts Bros. actually did it. This is a big day!
That is without a doubt one of the better posts I have ever read.
Please...that drill will sit there for months before it actually is used. People do this all the time, staging with a big piece of equipment...
Eats own foot.
What, you think this is the first time I've eaten my own foot? Huh? Not a chance...I snack on this thing all the time...
I took pics today. Will post in a bit. I have some vacuuming to do at the moment.
I'm serious.
I'm serious.
Directorscut18 wrote:How long does it take for Skyscraper page to update their building status on city highrises? If it is really the case Roberts Tower should be listed as "under construction" and not "proposed" and finaly be added to the St.Louis diagram list.
In any case the fact that one of the many proposed highrises projects downtown is finaly underway is very exciting!!! This is a historic day.
You have to push them to do so. They have dated facts about St. Louis, few diagrams on our new buildings, and will give you a harder time if you give them any suggestions. I mean, this is based on my experience. I gave up.
How could they be starting and have such a bad webpage? They have absolutly no information: no floor plans, no prices.
I like Pyrimds web site, they have everything on them including PRICES which already anyone does now a days.
I like Pyrimds web site, they have everything on them including PRICES which already anyone does now a days.
Could someone go to Matt's house and vacuum so he can post the pictures?
I had to do an oil change as well. A diesel engine takes a few minutes longer.
The lower floors, from what I have heard, are actually going to be additional ballroom and service space for the hotel. They had always planned on using that ground for a hotel addition, so it is highly likely that they are putting in the infrastructure for the tower, but only building out the hotel portion on the lower floors.
nope. they're not doing a ballroom/meeting facility anymore. They will use the Roberts Orpheum for banquet space. Hopefully, they'll do a better job remodeling it.
But they will still be connected right? I thought I read that the Roberts Tower will provide the hotel with additional lobby space, or something to that effect. Maybe they realized just how expensive it would be to tie the two buildings together and just nixed that whole idea.
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^ There's still to be conceirge service provided by the hotel to residents of the tower, so I'd imagine there would be a direct connection, though they may need nothing more than a hallway.
New pics from today. Work was already done for the day by the time I made it by. Looks like a fair amount of progress has been made. I can't wait to see the tower crane going up.
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It says tunnel on the street...assuming that has to do with the connection to the hotel then?
Metrolink Tunnel.
I doubt there will be a tunnel in the building because the new tower appears to be at grade. Excavation would have been done before any drilling if there was to be an underground level. It would be a doorway anyway, since they are adjacent. I imagine any connection will just be doors. Pretty simple to do.
I doubt there will be a tunnel in the building because the new tower appears to be at grade. Excavation would have been done before any drilling if there was to be an underground level. It would be a doorway anyway, since they are adjacent. I imagine any connection will just be doors. Pretty simple to do.
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Thanks, that makes sense. Just to clerify, however, excavation is not necessary done before pile/caisson drilling is done. Chicago Spire right now is an excellent example of this technique. I would have a very hard time believing this tower would not have any basement level, as it would seem necessary for maintenance/mechanical functions. I'm assuming there will be at least 1 below grade level.
As the Chicago spire shows, it can be done. They are likely going to go both ways at the same time. It's explained here better than I could with an image as well. This method is not used much around here, or many places, really
I don't see this happening in this case. The size of the site wouldn't make it worth it, and there is no secant wall going in. Drilling service actually does secant walls, so they would be going in already. Tieback walls would also be a possibility, but they have not gone in either, so I am thinking this will be on grade. There is no underground parking either. Of course, we will find out for sure soon enough.
I don't see this happening in this case. The size of the site wouldn't make it worth it, and there is no secant wall going in. Drilling service actually does secant walls, so they would be going in already. Tieback walls would also be a possibility, but they have not gone in either, so I am thinking this will be on grade. There is no underground parking either. Of course, we will find out for sure soon enough.