Hopefully by 2020 we'll have a Downtown/Downtown West population approaching 15,000. With surrounding nabes, that seems like it would give the area some residential density that starts to really attract some retail interest.True_dope wrote:We should rebuild the street grid and try to get downtown downtown west, midtown, carr square the the area between downtown, soulard and Lafayette square. With a combine population of 100,000 by 2040 that would be a huge serge of growth that would make it that hart of the region. I feel this goal can be done.
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15,000 for DT & DTW would be tremendous. Everything would really have to kick into high gear for the next five years, including: BPV, Jefferson Arms, Butler Brothers, Chemical Bldg., and other projects that haven't been conceived/proposed yet (it would be nice to see a Vanguard style low-rise new construction in/around Downtown), and all of the current projects would have to come through (Arcade, Crowne Plaza Conversion, 720 Olive, Alverne, 1900 Pine).
So, I think 15,000 is attainable, but aspirational. My guess is 12,272 (i.e. the same pop. increase as last decade).
So, I think 15,000 is attainable, but aspirational. My guess is 12,272 (i.e. the same pop. increase as last decade).
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^ I think you're right.... I'd like to see more growth than last decade and get as close to 15K as possible; I do think our supply of units is quickening and so if we continue at a 90% plus occupancy rate we should be adding more people than the 250 or so Downtown Inc. says we've been doing for the past few years.
My assumption is that 500 new units online in a year will net about 550 residents/yr. if we have a steady 90% occupancy rate and 1.25 ppl./unit.
My assumption is that 500 new units online in a year will net about 550 residents/yr. if we have a steady 90% occupancy rate and 1.25 ppl./unit.
Part of the answer is that while not exactly stellar, they do have greater regional growth than what we enjoy.... downtowns across the nation are seeing residential interest and the more we can boost our regional growth the more projects we'll see downtown. Kansas City Streetcar also is being mentioned by developers as a key for moving forward and a willingness of the city to directly back some projects with equity has helped prime the pump. Office-wise it is still a bit of hit and miss with the eco-border wars still going on, but it appears things are starting to settle down a bit on that front.True_dope wrote:http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/reade ... 58044.html
KC must be doing something right. Wonder why things are slower in our downtown?
I believe that I read somewhere that the Missouri side of the Kansas City metro is also benefiting from the collapse of nearby Kansas.
Two St. Louis biz journals downtown related subscriber content stories. I don't have access so not sure if anything to new but interesting to see the article about MX
Work in progress: MX District struggles to reach full potential
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/prin ... reach.html
Arch Grounds update. I really do hope this pushes Drury to go forward with a tower on Laclede's Landing and maybe more.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/prin ... tions.html
Work in progress: MX District struggles to reach full potential
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/prin ... reach.html
Arch Grounds update. I really do hope this pushes Drury to go forward with a tower on Laclede's Landing and maybe more.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/prin ... tions.html
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Apparently Philadelphia's downtown (which they call city center) is having similar problems on getting job Growth in there CBD.
I think attracting jobs to the urban core is a national problem, and not just a STL problem.
http://www.phillymag.com/citified/2015/ ... -how-long/
I think attracting jobs to the urban core is a national problem, and not just a STL problem.
http://www.phillymag.com/citified/2015/ ... -how-long/
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^ I'll have more to say later, but let me begin by saying I hate you for this link which in turn led to a big data dump that is eating up my time. Thanks a lot!!!!
The article is about the strong housing in Center City and the need to address potential problems as the cohort of young people begins to drop in the coming years and briefly mentions job creation as a concern, but you really have to go to the organization's website to get a better look at Philly's downtown jobs situation... they do say that aside from Comcast's plans for hiring thousands, they do have to work harder to retain/draw more office workers. (Of course, they've got tens of thousands more of them downtown than we do and many more thousands of residents so its still a very vibrant place.)i,Iive,to,draw wrote:Apparently Philadelphia's downtown (which they call city center) is having similar problems on getting job Growth in there CBD.
I think attracting jobs to the urban core is a national problem, and not just a STL problem.
http://www.phillymag.com/citified/2015/ ... -how-long/
But what I really enjoyed was the ton of data and reports they've got t their site....
http://www.centercityphila.org/
Hopefully we'll see some more reports here now that the downtown organization has hired a research director. This project from the Center CIty folks was particularly cool.... it looks at a number of different employment nodes in various cities across the nation, including Saint Louis:
http://definingdowntown.org/
The maps feature is really cool and takes a look at employment and residential numbers for the node as well as 1/2 mi. and 1 mile tracts. It's 2011 data so a bit dated but still useful and nice to compare between cities. For downtown Saint Louis, it has 10,000 residents and 67,000 workers and for the 1/2 mile tracts (roughly Greater Downtown) it has 17,000 residents and 80,000 workers. This compares favorably to Cincy and KC, but well below Pittsburgh & even Milwaukee & Cleveland. Unfortunately, it doesn't have data for the CWE node, which would be nice to compare to some of the eds and meds disticts in other cities.
NYT takes a look at Cincy's growing downtown:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/reale ... iness&_r=1
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/reale ... iness&_r=1
^ Might as recognize Indy's downtown as well:
http://www.indystar.com/story/money/201 ... /24000905/
wow! I've seen with my own eyes growing residential in downtown Indy but this is something...
Downtown living is popping up nearly everywhere you look, and much more is coming.
By 2020, a surge of residential construction, mostly high-rent apartment buildings, will result in as many as 30,000 residential units in the area, according to projections by Downtown Indy, a public-private partnership that promotes activities and living in the heart of the city.
That compares to about 18,300 in 2010, the last time a count was done....
And it's not all spread out. Rather it is occurring in something that urban planners covet — density, or a significant number of people living and working close together. That's what gives a Downtown vitality, the group said.....
Who is buying all these pricey units? Much of the demand is being generated by young people making $90,000 and more — "the millennial crowd that every city is chasing," said Sherry Seiwert, president of Downtown Indy.
The group also said all Downtown construction — including housing, offices and commercial — adds up to 58 projects in the pipeline between now and 2017, with an investment of more than $1.36 billion. Of that, more than half, or about $714 million, is geared toward residential construction.
I don't want to discount the fair amount of rehab work we've got going, but we can't even get a freaking residential tower going up next to one of the most coveted entertainment brands in the nation. More high paying downtown jobs, please!
http://www.indystar.com/story/money/201 ... /24000905/
wow! I've seen with my own eyes growing residential in downtown Indy but this is something...
Downtown living is popping up nearly everywhere you look, and much more is coming.
By 2020, a surge of residential construction, mostly high-rent apartment buildings, will result in as many as 30,000 residential units in the area, according to projections by Downtown Indy, a public-private partnership that promotes activities and living in the heart of the city.
That compares to about 18,300 in 2010, the last time a count was done....
And it's not all spread out. Rather it is occurring in something that urban planners covet — density, or a significant number of people living and working close together. That's what gives a Downtown vitality, the group said.....
Who is buying all these pricey units? Much of the demand is being generated by young people making $90,000 and more — "the millennial crowd that every city is chasing," said Sherry Seiwert, president of Downtown Indy.
The group also said all Downtown construction — including housing, offices and commercial — adds up to 58 projects in the pipeline between now and 2017, with an investment of more than $1.36 billion. Of that, more than half, or about $714 million, is geared toward residential construction.
I don't want to discount the fair amount of rehab work we've got going, but we can't even get a freaking residential tower going up next to one of the most coveted entertainment brands in the nation. More high paying downtown jobs, please!
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^ How much is this a function of the CWE which is something that most cities don't have at such a scale?
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^ And Clayton. I worry about all their high rise plans setting back downtown residential.
I know Indy pretty well -- used to live downtown -- and I'd say that it really does benefit from the more condensed nature with downtown being both a strong jobs and cultural hub with even things like the zoo and botanical garden on the White RIver; IUPUI also is part of greater downtown so that helps with density.
But I also think their greater regional growth and jobs performance is fueling most of their downtown activity; we can only get so far with lackluster performance.
I know Indy pretty well -- used to live downtown -- and I'd say that it really does benefit from the more condensed nature with downtown being both a strong jobs and cultural hub with even things like the zoo and botanical garden on the White RIver; IUPUI also is part of greater downtown so that helps with density.
But I also think their greater regional growth and jobs performance is fueling most of their downtown activity; we can only get so far with lackluster performance.
The Indianapolis Zoo really sucks though. It has hardly anything interesting(other than dolphins, but the exhibit was closed when we visited) and it is really expensive for really not a lot of zoo at all. Our Zoo is at least 4 times better.
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^ I'd say our zoo is more like 40 time better, but whose counting?
The city should buy railway exchange from the lender and just GIVE it for free with a 15 year tax abatement to Twitter, Express Scripts or any large, young, fast-growing company.
^ Heck, give the Railway Exchange to CORTEX. I'm still convinced the best way to market that building is as First & Second stories as retail (think CityTarget2 if Geoff is right about the letter of intent), Stories 3-8 with its high ceilings as a data center, couple of stories of office space and top remaining floors as residential.
I'm leaning towards the next residential high rise tower(s) being built downtown or CWE most likely between Drury on the Landing and Koplar/Koman/Clayco at corner of Lindell & Kingshighway. I would try to get Railway Exchange happening before backing Cordish/DeWitt if I was city leadership. Heck I would back a Drury tower before Cordish/DeWitt jus to make a point. New Arch Grounds, new gleaming tower and Vikings cruise vessel tied up on the riverfront. Picture is getting better and better.
I'm leaning towards the next residential high rise tower(s) being built downtown or CWE most likely between Drury on the Landing and Koplar/Koman/Clayco at corner of Lindell & Kingshighway. I would try to get Railway Exchange happening before backing Cordish/DeWitt if I was city leadership. Heck I would back a Drury tower before Cordish/DeWitt jus to make a point. New Arch Grounds, new gleaming tower and Vikings cruise vessel tied up on the riverfront. Picture is getting better and better.
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^ I agree Railway Exchange may be best suited for mixed-use with a heavy residential component and largely taken off the office rolls. In Pittsburgh plans were released today for the similarly-sized 1.2 million square foot downtown Macy's building calling for the store on floors 1-4, a 156 room hotel on 5-6 and 311 apartments on 6-12.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/b ... above.html
I would like to think local economic development officials and the state are working their asses off to get companies into though into other buildings like One AT&T, but I really don't think that's happening. Especially if it means luring someone from the County god forbid. Doubt we'll ever see Nixon appoint a Peacock task force to build downtown employment up.... our destiny is the NFL!
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/b ... above.html
I would like to think local economic development officials and the state are working their asses off to get companies into though into other buildings like One AT&T, but I really don't think that's happening. Especially if it means luring someone from the County god forbid. Doubt we'll ever see Nixon appoint a Peacock task force to build downtown employment up.... our destiny is the NFL!
I'm not sure where to put this national report on core versus periphery job trends, but it shows how the core has really had a jobs comeback in much of the nation since 2007:i,Iive,to,draw wrote:Apparently Philadelphia's downtown (which they call city center) is having similar problems on getting job Growth in there CBD.
I think attracting jobs to the urban core is a national problem, and not just a STL problem.
http://www.phillymag.com/citified/2015/ ... -how-long/
http://cityobservatory.org/wp-content/u ... r-Jobs.pdf
The report only goes through 2011 as its based on census data, but it does show some pretty impressive results for many cities like Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and Philadelphia. Interestingly, while annual average job growth from 2007-2011 in our own core dropped - .5%, the drop in the periphery was actually higher at -.8%. I'm pretty sure job growth has improved even more in most cores across the country, although the comparative rate with the periphery may vary,
Anyone have $2.7 million to buy this surface lot and the ability to get quality infill financed?
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http://www.colliers.com/p-usa1006852

http://www.colliers.com/p-usa1006852
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"Strong historic net income". Sounds to me like they are marketing it to remain parking.
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Is there anyway to increase the property taxes on surface parking lots? I would love to see that as a way to fund this police initiative. That would lower the cap rate on the property which would really lower the value of these property as parking lots. These parking lots are some of my least favorite downtown. They are terribly taken care of and don't help downtown at all. I never see them full.
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Land value capture property taxes! It makes the idea of free (or private profit) parking lots completely ridiculous as they don't generate enough value to pay for the streets around them.mjbais1489 wrote:Is there anyway to increase the property taxes on surface parking lots? I would love to see that as a way to fund this police initiative. That would lower the cap rate on the property which would really lower the value of these property as parking lots. These parking lots are some of my least favorite downtown. They are terribly taken care of and don't help downtown at all. I never see them full.
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They are on my crap list as well. It is especially sad to see on geo saint louis that this surface lot is actually 9 different parcels/addresses, all of which I assume had buildings at one point. I estimate a total of around $50,000 in property taxes are paid on the vast lot.mjbais1489 wrote: These parking lots are some of my least favorite downtown. They are terribly taken care of and don't help downtown at all. I never see them full.
For the lot to the east and behind t-rex, tech480 suggested that if the Rams vacate the Dome it is in the realm of possibility that t-rex could purchase the lot with an eye towards expansion.... that is one of my downtown dreams.



