I think the Locust side’s future hinges on the redevelopment of the Railway Exchange.
That one really hurts, hopefully another gym maybe takes over? Planet Fitness or something?
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Too bad there isn't a dense walkable neighborhood directly adjacent to this "unused parkspace" that could really use investment.
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Pretty sure this would help with that..StlAlex wrote:Too bad there isn't a dense walkable neighborhood directly adjacent to this "unused parkspace" that could really use investment.
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Why not a more pragmatic and doable approach of removing a raised freeway between Wash Ave and Cass Ave to reconnect convention space and near northside with Laclede's landing & North Riverfront. Agree with Alex, why not reconnect and rebuild the built environment you have instead of trying to imagine one more dense walkable area/or dream of once was competing with walkable areas that still need a lot of effort and development to go.
Well for one, this would instantly be the most desirable and popular neighborhood in the region, and would bring an energy/excitement back to downtown in a way that almost nothing else could. The ripple effects would be massive for the rest of downtown.dredger wrote:Why not a more pragmatic and doable approach of removing a raised freeway between Wash Ave and Cass Ave to reconnect convention space and near northside with Laclede's landing & North Riverfront. Agree with Alex, why not reconnect and rebuild the built environment you have instead of trying to imagine one more dense walkable area/or dream of once was competing with walkable areas that still need a lot of effort and development to go.
I do agree that this will likely never happen, and that removing the elevated freeway and reconnecting downtown and the north riverfront would be a massive first step.
Developing the park space makes a lot of sense. Cincinnati has a wider freeway in almost the same the configuration as St Louis (separating the riverfront and downtown proper). But there's no issues with development on either side (now).
Cincinnati is better run in general, but I think STL's issue is the lack of any meaningful residential/commercial across the highway. The riverfront would be great if it were better developed.
Cincinnati is better run in general, but I think STL's issue is the lack of any meaningful residential/commercial across the highway. The riverfront would be great if it were better developed.
Cincinnati has no fewer than 3 sports stadiums on the riverfront, please ignore this fact.
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Yea my point is that we should develop it. Sports stadium or otherwise. Trust me, it wasn't always as great as it is now.
How about we fill up all the other empty lots, surface parking, and empty buildings in downtown first?
Trump does love his classical architecture. There is a world where the right right wing influencer "truths" a picture of a plan like this and Trump sees it, determines that it would piss off the libs, and decides to build it over the park ground.
More likely he would try and turn the Arch Grounds into a private golf course though
More likely he would try and turn the Arch Grounds into a private golf course though
If the Arch grounds were ever developed into a mixed use neighborhood, it should only happen if the east riverfront is added to the national park (which is already in the works).
This should be the long term vision for St. Louis
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This should be the long term vision for St. Louis
We have a National Mall level federally maintained/funded park as a massive amenity to downtown residents at virtually no municipal cost, and for some reason unbeknownst to me, we are fantasizing about getting rid of it for some imaginary developments that will attract some imaginary demographic while our current downtowm struggles with high vacancy and slow movement on real developments that actually might possibly happen this century.
Don't have to look to far to see why St. Louis keeps losing.
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Don't have to look to far to see why St. Louis keeps losing.
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To be fair, half the reason I spend so much time on this forum is to fantasize about silly pipe dreams
To be Honest , this is what they should of done back in the 30's instead of clearing the whole arch grounds.
I ride my bike around the arch often. I agree I would rather see the sea of parking south of 64 be activated. That helps connect downtown to Soulard, and maybe helps develop the music row if can get get some residents there.
Yes, people on an internet forum posting fun pie in the sky ideas about improving downtown are the reason St. Louis keeps losing.StlAlex wrote:We have a National Mall level federally maintained/funded park as a massive amenity to downtown residents at virtually no municipal cost, and for some reason unbeknownst to me, we are fantasizing about getting rid of it for some imaginary developments that will attract some imaginary demographic while our current downtowm struggles with high vacancy and slow movement on real developments that actually might possibly happen this century.
Don't have to look to far to see why St. Louis keeps losing.
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Very intelligent response.
It's really about sentiment. It's classic St. Louis. Youre using generative AI to imagine taking away one of downtown's biggest amenities in a massive well kept park space that the city doesn't even have to pay for in favor of tons of magical development while our downtown struggles in real life and the areas north and especially south of the arch literally look like theyre out of a zombie movie. And youre spinning this all as a....net positive? It's just stupid and clutters this thread.
We have a whole thread for AI slop.
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We have a whole thread for AI slop.
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Ozzy's Market says they are closing on Saturday.
Interesting concept that would have probably had a better shot in a better part of downtown.
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Interesting concept that would have probably had a better shot in a better part of downtown.
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It was great. I went Saturdays. Probably the most approachable coffee shop with a good bfast sandwich.
Context wise, Omen coffee has a Manospheric cult following that people seem to love. Starbucks on Jefferson always has lines in the drive thru, and caters to corporate. So I’m sure those 2 took bites out of Ozzys.
Context wise, Omen coffee has a Manospheric cult following that people seem to love. Starbucks on Jefferson always has lines in the drive thru, and caters to corporate. So I’m sure those 2 took bites out of Ozzys.
Add in the fact that the 20th street connector has been under construction since winter-ish. And they’ve been blocking the pedestrian access to Ozzys for almost that whole time.