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Can we bring back this level of decor and installations throughout downtown and the gateway mall? I know our downtown lacks shopping but seriously look how festive and lively these things make our city look. I will add because of our lack of shopping, it’s time to get a Christkindl/seasonal vendor market downtown (or at least somewhere in the city, I always though Benton Park (the actual park) or Soulard market plaza would actually be more interesting since they are german heritage neighborhoods and would be more unique). Anyways people eat that stuff up, why aren’t we doing this?

The steamboat in this video rocks

Wheelhouse is closing. Apologize if already posted. Didn’t check…

keepstlbrick wrote: ↑

Dec 19, 2025

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Can we bring back this level of decor and installations throughout downtown and the gateway mall? I know our downtown lacks shopping but seriously look how festive and lively these things make our city look. I will add because of our lack of shopping, it’s time to get a Christkindl/seasonal vendor market downtown (or at least somewhere in the city, I always though Benton Park (the actual park) or Soulard market plaza would actually be more interesting since they are german heritage neighborhoods and would be more unique). Anyways people eat that stuff up, why aren’t we doing this?

The steamboat in this video rocks

I was just in Germany and got to experience the Christmas markets, and wondered the same thing. The best answer I could come up with is that it would be utterly ruined by over-commercialism. Something like RibFest.

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑

Dec 20, 2025

Wheelhouse is closing. Apologize if already posted. Didn’t check…

Kind of a side note, but Id really like MODOT to consider the removal of the on and off ramps that interrupt the Cupples complex that run by Wheelhouse’s location. They make Busch Stadium/Enterprise siphoned off from Cupples and it’s a dicey pedestrian experience on Clark because of it. The 4 ramps between 8th and 14th along Clark are just poor design, and they all should be removed. I’m not sure why when this was designed they didn’t choose to make all the ramps on the south side of the interstate and on to Tucker given it is the widest road and the area south is already railroads so it would be unusable for development anyways. Why they sliced north into downtown right into existing buildings 4 times in about 4 blocks is beyond me.

Maybe this is in the Transit & Mobility Plan, been trying to get around to reading it, idk.

Just my thought of the day why downtown can be unpleasant, its design like that

I met with a few planning and development friends last night. Conversation turned to AI and the future of work, especially impact on corporate and office real estate. One works for a real estate company (household name) and shared insight to internal conversations. Belief that American downtowns need to be focused on elevating entertainment first, residential second, and office third. They do not anticipate the office market will ever return to pre-COVID in strength (vacancy, quality, and rental rate) and in some markets the square footage provided today will be the most ever provided.

The conversation went much further than the impact on corporate office jobs. The second big change will be vehicle automation which will reduce demand for parking (lowering cost to build) but will also accelerate suburbanization as the cost of traffic will be reduced and home delivery more standard. Percent of population sharing a car (automated ridehail) could outpace percent using public transportation by 2040. 

keepstlbrick wrote: ↑

Dec 21, 2025

DogtownBnR wrote: ↑

Dec 20, 2025

Wheelhouse is closing. Apologize if already posted. Didn’t check…

Kind of a side note, but Id really like MODOT to consider the removal of the on and off ramps that interrupt the Cupples complex that run by Wheelhouse’s location. They make Busch Stadium/Enterprise siphoned off from Cupples and it’s a dicey pedestrian experience on Clark because of it. The 4 ramps between 8th and 14th along Clark are just poor design, and they all should be removed. I’m not sure why when this was designed they didn’t choose to make all the ramps on the south side of the interstate and on to Tucker given it is the widest road and the area south is already railroads so it would be unusable for development anyways. Why they sliced north into downtown right into existing buildings 4 times in about 4 blocks is beyond me.  

Maybe this is in the Transit & Mobility Plan, been trying to get around to reading it, idk.

Just my thought of the day why downtown can be unpleasant, its design like that

I agree.  Just even on a basic level, you don't need highway ramps/access every four effing blocks.  Drive the extra 30 seconds to a minute..

Spending 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Dec 27, 2025

New project for 2026, month to month apartment occupancy for these select properties
basically, it's the ones that i know have good public data on availability and its also a good mix of Downtown east of tucker, DT west and the Landing. 

We are finishing 2025 with 293 available out of these 2,425 (12%)
next update late Jan 2026 

What is Victors occupancy ? 

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Dec 27, 2025

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Dec 27, 2025

New project for 2026, month to month apartment occupancy for these select properties
basically, it's the ones that i know have good public data on availability and its also a good mix of Downtown east of tucker, DT west and the Landing. 

We are finishing 2025 with 293 available out of these 2,425 (12%)
next update late Jan 2026 

What is Victors occupancy ? 

301/384

When I interned for Downtown St. Louis Inc in 2016 one of my jobs was to email all the building owners to collect occupancy data. Quite the experience.

addxb2 wrote: ↑

Dec 27, 2025

When I interned for Downtown St. Louis Inc in 2016 one of my jobs was to email all the building owners to collect occupancy data. Quite the experience.

I know a few of the owners on the list and talk to them regularly, so it shouldn’t be too difficult

Nice new building signage too

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File this one under "just for fun" but...I was walking around downtown during my lunch break just now and took this wide-angle photo as my "before" shot for a ChatGPT redesign of the Kiener Garage/Plaza blockface:

When I prompted it to remove the garage and put some rowhouses in instead, it gave me these:

I think quite often about how much downtown needs this type of human-scale housing, especially in a post-COVID, increasingly remote-work-friendly world.

Thoughts?

^ I love it!  And it would not be hard or far-fetched to do. 

I agree that this type of housing would be great for Downtown, especially downtown west. I don’t think across the plaza would be appropriate. Should be much taller housing/hotel/office.

I almost got excited thank goodness I read it slowly lol.. I would love to see this type of development near downtown I could see something like this near the dome on those empty lots.


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stldotage wrote: ↑

6:28 PM - Jan 08

File this one under "just for fun" but...I was walking around downtown during my lunch break just now and took this wide-angle photo as my "before" shot for a ChatGPT redesign of the Kiener Garage/Plaza blockface:

1000014547.jpgWhen I prompted it to remove the garage and put some rowhouses in instead, it gave me these:


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I think quite often about how much downtown needs this type of human-scale housing, especially in a post-COVID, increasingly remote-work-friendly world.

Thoughts?

It'd be great. But as always, how do you get the land spectators to sell for a price where building that makes sense?

Garages are staying but I wouldn’t rule out chances of something being built on top of them

addxb2 wrote: ↑

8:02 PM - Jan 08

I agree that this type of housing would be great for Downtown, especially downtown west. I don’t think across the plaza would be appropriate. Should be much taller housing/hotel/office.

Yep,  Some great empty/surface lots near a soccer stadium in west downtown begging for some good ol tree lined  rowhouse development.  A mini neighborhood feel in downtown core

Love the AHM proposed timber tower for west downtown but some great vertical infill such as another BPV tower, Millennium redo or some more vertical infill for Cupples or Old Muni courts  happening first would be more desirable in my opinion.  However, I also think having a Wrigley like feel by incorporating a mixed of townhouse/rowhouse development around the soccer stadium instead of another commercial like village for west downtown would be just as great.   Also, I think it would be much more achievable for downtown if residential development can get more diversified.    

Watching the figure skating on NBC and it has been a good presentation of StL. Great drone shots showing off the city and our urban environment and the crowd is energetic. Hopefully positive news and discourse comes out of this week! Nice to see a little better presentation after the Frozen Four last year got a little bit of negative commentary