Yeah, I don't think most people are going to want to go back to in-office work after getting a taste of remote work. Businesses just need to realize that the sunk-cost fallacy is very real and start giving up on real estate, or at least downsizing real office space significantly.
It's a strange thing because while I rarely go into the office, I am a firm believer in the value of doing business face-to-face with our customers and my team which is what drives a significant amount of travel. Relationships matter. I don't see value in going into a office to sit on a computer and do administrative tasks.
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Agreed. Anecdotally, it seems that is already happening. The job market, at least in my industry, is starting to shift and employers are feeling more empowered to call employees back to the office (at least part time).dtgwvc wrote:I think a lot of upper business types hate work from home but only put up with it cause the labor market is so tight. I don’t know if this necessarily something to root for but a looser labor market could empower companies to enforce back to work policies without worrying about losing staff.
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Of all the people I personally know living in StL, the small handful of people working 100% or nearly 100% remote are working for non-StL companies. Everyone I know who works for an StL company is back in the office physically at least 3 days per week. Office space demand by employers will come back gradually over the next few years.
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My team has been remote since covid, The bank wants us back 3x per week but our boss works remote, loves it, and won't enforce it. The bank I work also has closed one downtown branch, sold two downtown office buildings and consolidated operations for the most part to Earth City, where we have two buildings. I thought I would have heard something in the news, but never did. Our Ops center was near the dome, and was once in the news for stray gunfire that went through an office window. I was in that building and I was moved to the tower on Wash Ave. The few times I have been in, our floor was pretty empty. Not sure if that has improved.
I do want to see the office space improve, but agree overall more residential is going to help the retail / restaurant industry. Even if it is during concerts, sports or other events, downtown offers periods of highest density.
I do want to see the office space improve, but agree overall more residential is going to help the retail / restaurant industry. Even if it is during concerts, sports or other events, downtown offers periods of highest density.
Why downtown St. Louis needs more than just office space to bounce back from the pandemic
https://stlpr.org/economy-business/2023-11-03/why-downtown-st-louis-needs-more-than-just-office-space-to-bounce-back-from-the-pandemic
https://stlpr.org/economy-business/2023-11-03/why-downtown-st-louis-needs-more-than-just-office-space-to-bounce-back-from-the-pandemic
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3 office tenants choose to stay in downtown St. Louis: 'Didn't want to abandon the city'
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2023/11/03/downtown-renew-leases-oculus-fox-architects-jnpa.htmlThree companies in the same downtown St. Louis office building have renewed long-term leases over the past year, choosing to stay in their current offices and footprints after examining options elsewhere.
Two tenants have renewed leases in the past month at Gateway Tower, 1 Memorial Drive, and another renewed earlier this year, said Ben Albers of commercial real estate firm Newmark Zimmer, the leasing broker for the building, owned by New York investment firm Sovereign Partners.
Two architecture firms, Oculus and Fox Architects, renewed this fall, while the nonprofit Jefferson National Parks Association signed up for a new lease term earlier this year, Albers said. The deals range between five and seven years, he said. Oculus’ renewed lease for its 14,808-square-foot office was ranked by commercial real estate firm Cushman and Wakefield as one of the largest lease deals signed in the region in the third quarter.
All three of the tenants examined other options before deciding to renew at Gateway, Albers said. Oculus considered moving to Clayton, as has been the trend with many of the companies moving from downtown, said Lisa Bell-Reim, co-founder and president of the firm. Rents downtown averaged $18.31 per square foot in the third quarter, according to Cushman & Wakefield, versus $30.39 per square foot in Clayton.
The latest lease renewals are welcome news for a downtown that has struggled to recover after the pandemic and has lost some significant tenants, as vacancy has inched up since 2021, for example.
Another current downtown tenant, law firm Brown & James, has in recent months also opted to renew its lease at Bank of America Plaza, another downtown office tower.
It’s also welcome news for Gateway, especially given the pending departure of its longtime anchor tenant, television station KMOV, which is building out a new television station in Maryland Heights. Tenant ShipWorks, which leased about 10,000 square feet on the building’s top floor, also pulled out of its office there due to a pivot to remote work.
Tenants renewing at Gateway Tower considered the ease of staying in their current space; the proximity of Ballpark Village and its food and entertainment options; the office building’s location next to the Gateway Arch; and affordable rent that could run half what a tenant might pay in Clayton, Albers said.
Oculus decided to stay after an 18-month search in which the firm took tours and received offers from buildings in Clayton, elsewhere in St. Louis County and other buildings downtown, said Bell-Reim.
The decision to stay downtown for another five years came down to how much the firm likes its current office, Bell-Reim said. Gateway Tower is one of the closest office buildings to the Arch, and Oculus’ offices on the 14th and 15th floors have windows that give every employee an Arch view. It was renovated in 2019 just before the pandemic with new cafe areas, wellness rooms, huddle rooms, conference areas and modern amenities, she said.
“We really love the building we’re in because it has the best views of any building in the city. We have the catbird seat view of the Arch and the Arch grounds, which is amazing,” Bell-Reim said.
Although employees can grow accustomed to the sight, clients who visit “absolutely go gaga off the fact that there’s this beautiful national monument right in front of them that is spectacular,” Bell-Reim said.
The other architectural firm that renewed its lease in the building, Fox Architects, also has a 360-degree view of the Arch from its office windows.
At Oculus, employees work a hybrid schedule with time divided between the office and working remotely, Bell-Reim said. The firm has about 60 employees total, with about 35 in its St. Louis headquarters and the others divided between offices in Portland, Oregon, and Dallas.
The architecture firm has been headquartered in the city limits of St. Louis since it was founded in 1994. After operating during its first decade from the Central West End, Oculus has been at Gateway Tower ever since. Staying in the city limits was a major consideration, since the company has taken pride in a city location.
“We didn’t want to abandon the city. We were really excited about being there, and really believe that it’s not going to get better if everyone moves,” Bell-Reim said. “And I think it will get better. I think there’s a lot of positive things happening too.”
As part of the lease renewals, Oculus was able to negotiate for more parking inside Gateway Tower, which also helped sway the firm to stay, Bell-Reim said. One of the reasons the firm had chosen to look at county options was that parking might be closer, Bell-Reim said. By staying downtown, the firm also has a right of first refusal for adjacent office space in case it needs to expand.
Albers said Oculus and the other firms renewing also considered downtown's accessibility from the Metro East, with its workforce and customer base.
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Gotta love the BJ’s bs. Paint the decision of these companies as one of charity and totally ignore the fact that they’re happy (1) with their building (2) with being downtown and (3) with having first class views of a world class monument.
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They didn’t ignore those facts. They are quoted directly in the article.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Gotta love the BJ’s bs. Paint the decision of these companies as one of charity and totally ignore the fact that they’re happy (1) with their building (2) with being downtown and (3) with having first class views of a world class monument.
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He is commenting on the tenor. Information is there for those looking but cursory scan gives impression that the companies prioritized their presences impact downtown over what is best for their own employees. For a casual reader this comes off as 'downtown sucks but were staying to make it better' instead of "downtown is has exciting momentum and we want to be part of it". He is not wrong.
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The Downtown negativity has gone so far overboard it's verging on the ridiculous.
No one is naive to the realities of crime or anti social behavior, but in terms of brand visibility, access to sports and entertainment, public transit, major highways, it's hands down the best place in the metro still. There's almost a sheep like expectancy from some quarters that there's this path to Clayton, 270/64 etc that every office tenant would be blind not to follow and staying Downtown is a literal death warrant.
Not aimed at any user on here more just a general rant....
No one is naive to the realities of crime or anti social behavior, but in terms of brand visibility, access to sports and entertainment, public transit, major highways, it's hands down the best place in the metro still. There's almost a sheep like expectancy from some quarters that there's this path to Clayton, 270/64 etc that every office tenant would be blind not to follow and staying Downtown is a literal death warrant.
Not aimed at any user on here more just a general rant....
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I guess you could’ve picked a different quote for the title, I’ll give you that. But they did spend a good portion of the article highlighting the positive aspects of working downtown, as quoted by these tenants. The article is fair to me and one’s interpretation of it likely depends on how they already feel about downtown.STLEnginerd wrote:He is commenting on the tenor. Information is there for those looking but cursory scan gives impression that the companies prioritized their presences impact downtown over what is best for their own employees. For a casual reader this comes off as 'downtown sucks but were staying to make it better' instead of "downtown is has exciting momentum and we want to be part of it". He is not wrong.
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I ran a search on the BJ’s website and they’ve made ZERO mention that General Dynamics opened its first office in StL in decades and did so Downtown.
Hard to believe a Business Journal could miss the arrival of F-500 company. Color me a downtown optimist all you want, if General Dynamics opened an office in Centene Plaza C, you would have heard about it in the BJ.
Hard to believe a Business Journal could miss the arrival of F-500 company. Color me a downtown optimist all you want, if General Dynamics opened an office in Centene Plaza C, you would have heard about it in the BJ.
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The timeline of GD’s return to St Louis is admittedly confusing. But I believe they opened an office in Cortex back in ‘21.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:I ran a search on the BJ’s website and they’ve made ZERO mention that General Dynamics opened its first office in StL in decades and did so Downtown.
Hard to believe a Business Journal could miss the arrival of F-500 company. Color me a downtown optimist all you want, if General Dynamics opened an office in Centene Plaza C, you would have heard about it in the BJ.
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St. Louis hotel tax revenues soar, beating expectations
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https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/business/st-louis-hotel-tax-revenues-soar-beating-expectations/article_75683846-7e53-11ee-9666-f303d2e925bd.htmlA little more than $20 million was collected from the tax — more than $3.5 million higher than what officials with the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission expected during the past fiscal year that ended in June.
The commission, also known as Explore St. Louis, collects the 3.75% tax from hotels in St. Louis city and county. The tax is generated from nightly hotel stays.
Hotel taxes in St. Louis spiked 84% during the same year-over-year period — from July 2022 to June 2023 — while St. Louis County hotels saw an increase of 47%, the commission reported Wednesday during its monthly meeting.
Officials cited the lifting of COVID-19 travel and meeting restrictions for the increase. They believe hotel tax revenues will increase again over the next fiscal year as leisure and business travel continues to rebound.
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If you follow me Twitter and my taxable sales updates this isn’t news to you, I told you this months ago
Well, we don't all follow you on Twitter, so I'm grateful that Airforce guy shared the article.
Why don't you also share the total taxable downtown revenue data with BJ and STLtoday comparing us to other comparable market sizes since they can't seem to do their own research. It is striking. Unless, of course, their research is seeing a BS ranking or quote bashing the city... That will always serve as a foundation for a story. And always remember, nobody goes downtown. Too scary...dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 08, 2023If you follow me Twitter and my taxable sales updates this isn’t news to you, I told you this months ago
#AllForCITY will be moving into its new DT West HQ from Clayton starting next week. It’s spent over $20m renovating this building & will occupy the entire 60k+ Sq feet. It bought the building in 2021 for $4.7m & will pay $230k a year in property tax, it’s $200k more than last use
I think you can make a strong case on Hotel Sales tax earnings that the city should spend some of its RAMs Settlement funds to make sure Convention Center Phase II gets built out.
Conventions and Sports not the cure all for downtown but a big plus for city that the region has kept everything downtown. Hopefully Wells Fargo hotel(s) proposal & Drury west downtown hotel replacement move forward. Will only help drive hotel tax receipts
Conventions and Sports not the cure all for downtown but a big plus for city that the region has kept everything downtown. Hopefully Wells Fargo hotel(s) proposal & Drury west downtown hotel replacement move forward. Will only help drive hotel tax receipts
The county should be shamed into covering the gap since their foot dragging is the cause of the shortfall.
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^I'm hoping that Biden "Commercial-to-residential Conversion" loan program will help someone get a few of the conversions currently going on downtown moving in the right direction.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... properties.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... properties.
Went to Idolwolf (21C Museum Hotel) this weekend. Far exceeded all of my expectations. Everything we ordered was delicious and the space/bar/atmosphere was incredible. As a former member of that Y, I was blown away with how they used the great bones of that building to transform it into the piece of art it is now.
What an incredible addition to downtown west. And love seeing all the building lit up at night down that strip of Locust now.
If only Tin Can would have survived...
What an incredible addition to downtown west. And love seeing all the building lit up at night down that strip of Locust now.
If only Tin Can would have survived...






