Starbucks at 6th and Olive is closed permanently. There are hotel based Starbucks (Hyatt and Marriott) left
Ok. So they come in disorganized and fragmented bite-sized chunks of progress. There's still no plan for really implementing the full plan, though, is my worry. The cycle track was a different entity altogether, no? Trailnet is different than the group who put together the multi-modal plan, right? What's being done to 7th street needs to be done Downtown-wide, and even that plan doesn't return 7th street to two-way traffic.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2021yeah, recently $1,100,000 was granted from East West Gateway for Tucker improvements including a cycle trackbwcrow1s wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2021So, when does anything get done? Has the ball begun to roll on funding?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 11, 2021Plan was developed and approved in late 2018
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... -study.cfm
The signals are being reprogrammed to add leading pedestrian interval (if you've noticed those start the Ped walk single a few seconds before the light turns green which allows a pedestrian to get into the gross walk and be seen by a driver turning left or right)
and a $4m or so project on 7th street from Wash Ave to Busch was recently approved for funding (construction this fall, i think)
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... Size-1.pdf
I just think we need to get one entity on top of this instead of a bunch of different stakeholders. File behind a unified vision and execute. I don't even live Downtown and the combination of slow rate of progress, feet dragging, and bandaids is maddening. Let me know if I'm misunderstanding the situation though.
Ballpark Village location is open, and it's open like twice as many hours per week than the 6th and Olive one was.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2021Starbucks at 6th and Olive is closed permanently. There are hotel based Starbucks (Hyatt and Marriott) left
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Trailnet had Tucker as part of their connected STL plan or something like that, in 2018 they approached the City about doing a pilot (I was at the meeting) and the Traffic Commissioner at the time (she’s left for the county to be basically the chief of staff for Page) said why bother with a pilot let’s do something permanent, so that’s how the project was started but the downtown multimodal plan was addressing Tucker as wellbwcrow1s wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2021Ok. So they come in disorganized and fragmented bite-sized chunks of progress. There's still no plan for really implementing the full plan, though, is my worry. The cycle track was a different entity altogether, no? Trailnet is different than the group who put together the multi-modal plan, right? What's being done to 7th street needs to be done Downtown-wide, and even that plan doesn't return 7th street to two-way traffic.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2021yeah, recently $1,100,000 was granted from East West Gateway for Tucker improvements including a cycle trackbwcrow1s wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2021So, when does anything get done? Has the ball begun to roll on funding?
The signals are being reprogrammed to add leading pedestrian interval (if you've noticed those start the Ped walk single a few seconds before the light turns green which allows a pedestrian to get into the gross walk and be seen by a driver turning left or right)
and a $4m or so project on 7th street from Wash Ave to Busch was recently approved for funding (construction this fall, i think)
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... Size-1.pdf
I just think we need to get one entity on top of this instead of a bunch of different stakeholders. File behind a unified vision and execute. I don't even live Downtown and the combination of slow rate of progress, feet dragging, and bandaids is maddening. Let me know if I'm misunderstanding the situation though.
Plus the Hilton.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2021Starbucks at 6th and Olive is closed permanently. There are hotel based Starbucks (Hyatt and Marriott) left
I know it's 20 blocks away but the Jefferson one is open now.
Either way support local and go to Park Avenue Coffee.
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Catalyst at 13th and Pine is also fantastic and not talked about enough within the STL coffee community
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If the goal is to eliminate downtown as a viable option for office, by all means leave the traffic and streets situation as is. It is and will work to achieve that goal expeditiously.
What if the goal is to create a wild west theme park?newstl2020 wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2021If the goal is to eliminate downtown as a viable option for office, by all means leave the traffic and streets situation as is. It is and will work to achieve that goal expeditiously.
Where is it that you're seeing significant delays in getting to/from the office? I'm just curious more than anything, having rarely seen significant downtown traffic, and what's there is limited to like two streets while the other several dozen are empty.newstl2020 wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2021If the goal is to eliminate downtown as a viable option for office, by all means leave the traffic and streets situation as is. It is and will work to achieve that goal expeditiously.
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Depends - are we talking about android "hosts" or roller coasters here?
Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2021Depends - are we talking about android "hosts" or roller coasters here?
I hadn't even thought of the hosts angle. Are you thinking Yul Brynner or Evan Rachel Wood models? Introducing the latter to all the wannabe cowboys downtown could be fun. Everyone always underestimates her..."These violent delights have violent ends."
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Rarely seen downtown traffic ever? Or rarely seen it since the barricades have gone up? If it’s since the barricades have gone up, that’s because there’s many multiples less people downtown compared to 14 months ago, a situation which isn’t going to change as long as the barriers/streets situation remains. Because if the streets situation remains and office capacity is what is was 14 months ago, there will be no jobs left downtown within the year.eee123 wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2021Where is it that you're seeing significant delays in getting to/from the office? I'm just curious more than anything, having rarely seen significant downtown traffic, and what's there is limited to like two streets while the other several dozen are empty.newstl2020 wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2021If the goal is to eliminate downtown as a viable option for office, by all means leave the traffic and streets situation as is. It is and will work to achieve that goal expeditiously.
So once again, if the goal is to eliminate the office component and have many multiples less people downtown on a daily basis/eliminate downtown from being a “downtown” then yes, leave the streets/traffic situation as is.
You still haven't said where it is that there's a major impediment. So you won't work downtown now because barricades might cause a problem at some point in the future?newstl2020 wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Rarely seen downtown traffic ever? Or rarely seen it since the barricades have gone up? If it’s since the barricades have gone up, that’s because there’s many multiples less people downtown compared to 14 months ago, a situation which isn’t going to change as long as the barriers/streets situation remains. Because if the streets situation remains and office capacity is what is was 14 months ago, there will be no jobs left downtown within the year.eee123 wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2021Where is it that you're seeing significant delays in getting to/from the office? I'm just curious more than anything, having rarely seen significant downtown traffic, and what's there is limited to like two streets while the other several dozen are empty.newstl2020 wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2021If the goal is to eliminate downtown as a viable option for office, by all means leave the traffic and streets situation as is. It is and will work to achieve that goal expeditiously.
So once again, if the goal is to eliminate the office component and have many multiples less people downtown on a daily basis/eliminate downtown from being a “downtown” then yes, leave the streets/traffic situation as is.
Even pre-pandemic, the daily amount of time in which downtown traffic is congested would be measured in minutes. It's easy to live downtown and not ever see traffic if you don't go out to a specific street during a very small window of time.
And that's what I'm saying, even if I give you the benefit of the doubt that it's a major cluster for one hour per day max, the barriers make it much better for the other 23 hours per day. That should be prioritized, the 23 hours over the 1 hour.
It's not an interstate. It's a neighborhood.
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urbanitas wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021
"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Java Plus is a good (local) option too - they have locations in Met Square and 500 N. Broadway.dweebe wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2021Plus the Hilton.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2021Starbucks at 6th and Olive is closed permanently. There are hotel based Starbucks (Hyatt and Marriott) left
I know it's 20 blocks away but the Jefferson one is open now.
Either way support local and go to Park Avenue Coffee.
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Ok then.eee123 wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021You still haven't said where it is that there's a major impediment. So you won't work downtown now because barricades might cause a problem at some point in the future?newstl2020 wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Rarely seen downtown traffic ever? Or rarely seen it since the barricades have gone up? If it’s since the barricades have gone up, that’s because there’s many multiples less people downtown compared to 14 months ago, a situation which isn’t going to change as long as the barriers/streets situation remains. Because if the streets situation remains and office capacity is what is was 14 months ago, there will be no jobs left downtown within the year.eee123 wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2021Where is it that you're seeing significant delays in getting to/from the office? I'm just curious more than anything, having rarely seen significant downtown traffic, and what's there is limited to like two streets while the other several dozen are empty.
So once again, if the goal is to eliminate the office component and have many multiples less people downtown on a daily basis/eliminate downtown from being a “downtown” then yes, leave the streets/traffic situation as is.
Even pre-pandemic, the daily amount of time in which downtown traffic is congested would be measured in minutes. It's easy to live downtown and not ever see traffic if you don't go out to a specific street during a very small window of time.
And that's what I'm saying, even if I give you the benefit of the doubt that it's a major cluster for one hour per day max, the barriers make it much better for the other 23 hours per day. That should be prioritized, the 23 hours over the 1 hour.
It's not an interstate. It's a neighborhood.
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“Because if the streets situation remains and office capacity is what is was 14 months ago, there will be no jobs left downtown within the year.”
Pointing you to Jane Jacobs readings at the Central Library. Please seek them out.
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How's he supposed to get there with all those barriers installed???Downtown1999 wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2021Pointing you to Jane Jacobs readings at the Central Library. Please seek them out.
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If we would just enforce the laws there would be no need for street barriers. It's a shame that the lawlessness of a few trump the experiences of the many.
Yes and no. The streets are too wide. Even if the police stopped the fastest 5-10% from being reckless, most of the rest would still be speeding. Nobody is going 25MPH down Broadway through downtown without barriers/congestion. Especially not with our ridiculous long stoplight times that encourage driving really fast when lights are green.southcitygent wrote: ↑Apr 17, 2021If we would just enforce the laws there would be no need for street barriers. It's a shame that the lawlessness of a few trump the experiences of the many.
Tucker is 35, so everyone is going fast enough to kill me and most are following the law, or close enough to not be ticketed.
The wide streets and really long stoplight times just enable/encourage everyone to push the boundaries of safe speed, not just the jackasses in their new Dodges.
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Yes, I understand that good urban policy does not dictate our current downtown structure. My point is that the downtown office worker in St. Louis doesn't care. I am not saying that is right. I am saying losing further large chunks of the employee base isn't going to help downtown progress as it needs to either.Downtown1999 wrote: ↑Apr 15, 2021“Because if the streets situation remains and office capacity is what is was 14 months ago, there will be no jobs left downtown within the year.”
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We can make strides towards a better city while also not ignoring current reality and shooting ourselves in the foot at the same time.
But I'm relatively over this and we can likely put it to bed for the sake of the thread. I give.