The cbd is less then 70 k.
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You have proof its not?downtown2007 wrote:Have proof?prophett wrote:The cbd is less then 70 k.
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No. Just like no one has proof it's below.
Instead of stating what's wrong. We need to focus on solutions. Get organized and push for solutions.
Instead of stating what's wrong. We need to focus on solutions. Get organized and push for solutions.
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Honeslty i think we all have done about as much as we can. Its time for the St. Louis leadership to step up. We can organize, complain, sugar coat, ignore the red flags all we want. We obviously have had little impact over the past 10 years. Ive been to my share or Metropolis, old DSLRA meetings, etc and they become more frustrating than helpful. We elect leaders for a reason. Do you really think if we were well organized we could have prevented these jobs from leaveing? Highly Unlikelydowntown2007 wrote:No. Just like no one has proof it's below.
Instead of stating what's wrong. We need to focus on solutions. Get organized and push for solutions.
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^^ Sometimes I wish we didn't have a mayor who at times appears to have Stockholm Syndrome. Fight for downtown. Fight for the City. It is not okay that VA leaves a perfectly-centered office building next to metrolink for transit-poor suburbs without one helluva fight. It is not okay that our transit system fails to build our core.
What quincunx just posted here on the mayor of Minneapolis makes me extremely jealous:
http://urbanstl.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 80#p230810
What quincunx just posted here on the mayor of Minneapolis makes me extremely jealous:
http://urbanstl.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 80#p230810
See now when you couple this with the transportation talk, it's talking out of both sides of the mouth. On one front we want the mayor and the city to say f the region but we want n/s MetroLink where we need the region to fund it.roger wyoming II wrote:^^ Sometimes I wish we didn't have a mayor who at times appears to have Stockholm Syndrome. Fight for downtown. Fight for the City. It is not okay that VA leaves a perfectly-centered office building next to metrolink for transit-poor suburbs without one helluva fight. It is not okay that our transit system fails to build our core.
What quincunx just posted here on the mayor of Minneapolis makes me extremely jealous:
http://urbanstl.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 80#p230810
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^ What are you talking about? F the region? The County as well as the City will benefit from a N/S line. And the County as well as the City will benefit from a strong downtown jobs base. We need leadership throughout the region that understands that we can't have a growing region without a strong core. Its basic urban theory that is pretty much beyond debate. We aren't getting left in the dust by other regions just because of bad luck.
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Become organized in a large enough group and push politicians to the brink. Make them work for you. How do you do that? VOTES.bigmclargehuge wrote:Honeslty i think we all have done about as much as we can. Its time for the St. Louis leadership to step up. We can organize, complain, sugar coat, ignore the red flags all we want. We obviously have had little impact over the past 10 years. Ive been to my share or Metropolis, old DSLRA meetings, etc and they become more frustrating than helpful. We elect leaders for a reason. Do you really think if we were well organized we could have prevented these jobs from leaveing? Highly Unlikelydowntown2007 wrote:No. Just like no one has proof it's below.
Instead of stating what's wrong. We need to focus on solutions. Get organized and push for solutions.
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A perfect example of how little our organizing is working. Is Larry Rice. We are all organized to get rid of him for the like 6+ years. . .guess who im looking at outside my window. Ive decided that ive done my part by living down here, bringing friends and dates down here, working down here, shopping down here. Thats about as much as a lot of us have time for. It shouldnt have to come to this. Theres only so much we can do. Leaders have to step up or we will just get sick of it and leave
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^ keep on keeping on, aging Bro!
btw, rumor is that the "big residential item" nextstl is working on is that the NLEC building is going to be purchased at a very attractive price to make it worth Larry's while. Geoff is trying to verify whether it will become a luxury condo conversion or demoed for a 400' tower plated in gold called Rice Pointe. /sarcasm
btw, rumor is that the "big residential item" nextstl is working on is that the NLEC building is going to be purchased at a very attractive price to make it worth Larry's while. Geoff is trying to verify whether it will become a luxury condo conversion or demoed for a 400' tower plated in gold called Rice Pointe. /sarcasm
^I was getting really, really excited until the "Rice Pointe" part registered with me. So was that whole paragraph sarcasm? 
Haha. No worries. It'd be a great joke if it weren't so depressing lol.
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^ just don't tell Gateway City about this development!
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Will do Rog. . .Will Do!!roger wyoming II wrote:^ keep on keeping on, aging Bro!
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Isn't NLEC one of those places that always attracts lots of homeless to the block? That area there has a very Seattle feel to it. Add some rain and used needles on the ground along with a bunch of smug, elitist 18 year olds and ate-up, aging hippies, and it's like you're actually in WA!
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If i open my window i can smell the overprice starbucks. And if i squint the homeless guys glowing blunt tip looks like the tip of the space needleGateway City wrote:Isn't NLEC one of those places that always attracts lots of homeless to the block? That area there has a very Seattle feel to it. Add some rain and used needles on the ground along with a bunch of smug, elitist 18 year olds and ate-up, aging hippies, and it's like you're actually in WA!
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That actually does sound exactly like Seattle (I used to live by there).
Are you arguing that downtown hasn't lost significant number of jobs and still has the 90,000ish number?downtown2007 wrote:Have proof?prophett wrote:The cbd is less then 70 k.
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Personally I think downtown has lost a significant working population over the last decade. I think the boundaries were fudged to minimize these losses. In this report downtown is defined as being bound by Jefferson, Cass, Chouteau, and the river.
"An estimated 88,000 people work downtown, based on the partnership's survey, which was conducted between 2005 and 2006 and is monitored since then. Farrell said his group plans to hire a full-time research manager “to identify the best third-party source for worker data so we can benchmark and track on an ongoing basis.”"
https://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/31 ... ro_graphic
"An estimated 88,000 people work downtown, based on the partnership's survey, which was conducted between 2005 and 2006 and is monitored since then. Farrell said his group plans to hire a full-time research manager “to identify the best third-party source for worker data so we can benchmark and track on an ongoing basis.”"
https://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/31 ... ro_graphic
It wouldn't surprise me at all if they stretched boundaries to add places like Wells Fargo and Sigma Aldrich that previously weren't considered downtown.moorlander wrote:Personally I think downtown has lost a significant working population over the last decade. I think the boundaries were fudged to minimize these losses. In this report downtown is defined as being bound by Jefferson, Cass, Chouteau, and the river.
"An estimated 88,000 people work downtown, based on the partnership's survey, which was conducted between 2005 and 2006 and is monitored since then. Farrell said his group plans to hire a full-time research manager “to identify the best third-party source for worker data so we can benchmark and track on an ongoing basis.”"
https://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/31 ... ro_graphic