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If their hope is to recoup tax incentives from the new retail space, I just don't see how that stretch of Watson can support additional retail in the numbers necessary to make that viable.

Faint signs of life: https://callnewspapers.com/crestwood-malls-plan-is-economically-viable-and-is-moving-forward/

The risk of one big development by one developer. The city should have bought the mall and subdivided it.

quincunx wrote: ↑

Jun 03, 2020

The risk of one big development by one developer. The city should have bought the mall and subdivided it.

It's not too late. They still could, it would seem. Just takes someone with some vision.

I think Crestwood needs to bite the bullet and re-zone most of the area for single-family homes. I know they crave the sales tax dollars, but times have changed. Put apartments and commercial along Watson, and single-family behind it. 

I trot out my neighborhood idea again.

^Yeah; something like that. 

sToP bUiLdInG hOmEs iN tHe sUbUrBs!!! bUiLd tHeM iN tHe CiTy!!!

Just kidding. I like your neighborhood idea.

framer wrote: ↑

Jun 04, 2020

I think Crestwood needs to bite the bullet and re-zone most of the area for single-family homes. I know they crave the sales tax dollars, but times have changed. Put apartments and commercial along Watson, and single-family behind it. 

Yep, I think your idea should be applied more then ever within the I270 ring.   

To much of county muni's leadership has sacrificed population and neighborhoods in the name of sales tax only to see those people & the needed retail move out of the county.    As more retail shifts online and a percentage of the workforce remains at home after covid you will see less overall retail and office development.  The central corridor will still be the strongest area for mixed use development going forward leaving many inner and west muni's will need to think more in terms of single home residential going forward IMO    

Probably the most predictable project to get killed by current circumstances. I too think a relatively dense neighborhood would do quite well in this spot.

Latest RFP from Crestwood. No responses yet. Due date moved back to August 18.

Crestwood Plaza RFP

Black02AltimaSE wrote: ↑

Aug 20, 2020

Two developers submitted proposals. No details have been made public at this time.

City of Crestwood Press Release

My bet is that at least one if not both proposals have taken their idea from quincunx, Crestwood Neighborhood with a fair number of single residential lots and townhomes that can be easily be built and phased out over a number of years.  With Covid, Online retail taking a bigger share, multiple entertainment venues and fair share of proposed office space what other options does a developer have to run with?

https://callnewspapers.com/crestwood-ha ... mixed-use/

One of the submissions is for only part of the site, while the other is a mixed-use proposal for the full site. One of the proposals is from a “known name that I think anybody  in the St. Louis area has heard of,” and when asked if Simpson sees a proposal among the two submitted that could be the large-scale redevelopment plan the city has been hoping for, he said, “I do.”

Well, my guess would be that the name we all know so McBride for homes on half the site. As for the mixed use project, I’m interested in seeing that just because this would be the third mixed use project proposal on that site

Looks like the site will become a Dierbergs and and a bunch of McBride homes. Another missed opportunity for Crestwood.

https://www.cityofcrestwood.org/Documen ... -12-20-PDF

I remember going to Crestwood Mall frequently, we even had a family business location there and Frontenac. I truly miss “The Mall” only 2-3 miles from home. However, I frequent the shops at Sunset Hills and Kirkwood, along with Brentwood and Maplewood areas. I also live in Webster and shop locally weekly, and visit South City eateries and businesses all the time. The point is - I live central to all these retail districts and neighborhoods currently. Another retail hub or district is not needed for this area.

I have given a ton of thought to what should be the highest and best use for the parcel, and I truly believe residential is the best fit. I wish it wasn’t going to be McBride, and wish it would be more “urban” with some multifamily (owner and renter).

Dierbergs will do well in this area. Maybe we can hope this will be similar to the Manchester Dierbergs. Maybe we can hope that some multifamily will be proposed. Maybe there’s some hope this will turn out okay.


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I had stupidly raised my expectations because Crestwood was talking about changing their zoning to allow Watson to become more pedestrian friendly and I thought that whatever was in the works here was the reason for that. But no, just another grocery store, across the street from two other grocery stores (Schnucks and Aldi). 

Hoping for a nice Dierbergs with covered parking like Des Peres but not holding my breath.

^Oh, they're going to have some "city style" homes like their La Colina project. Phew.  And here I was worried it was going to be more generic plywood boxes.

Honestly, given how much even the school district rebelled at the idea of multi-family I don't see how this could have gone any other way. Crestwood has been running out renters at lest since the trailer court closed. (That might have been the highest density residential in the history of the town.) Given an average of about three people per single family home this will come out to about 5.17 people per acre, which is darned close to the extent 5.15 reported by wiki. It's surely an "oh well" moment. But . . . they weren't going to go urban. They'd fight it to their last breath. I literally have this fight with a particular Crestwood resident or other nearly every other week.

Stltoday - Dierbergs, McBride plan to redevelop Crestwood Mall site

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 62119.html

The La Colina houses have been very underwhelming to the point of head scratching for how much they're asking. Although underwhelming is a word that I think is almost always appropriate for McBride developments.

From the sound of it this proposal would have an assessed value of $10-15M, far below the mall's peak of $26M many years ago.