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PostFeb 14, 2006#26

The area is blocked off and construction is underway. While some may argue that this is lost development dollars for the city, I say it is a good starting point. Many Clayton Employees have never even considered urban life and when mixed use projects like this go up with the Link nearby, it turns heads for sure.



Has anybody heard a completion date???

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PostFeb 14, 2006#27

Are you talking about the Crescent or the Unnamed Project with 150 condos and 160+ aparments?

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PostFeb 14, 2006#28

Major new project would add to Clayton skyline

By Margaret Gillerman

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

02/13/2006



Developers on Monday offered the latest proposed addition to the Clayton skyline, presenting a multimillion-dollar project that includes a 20-story condominium and six-story apartment complex beside the Ritz-Carlton.



The Clayton City Condominiums and Clayton City Apartments, proposed for three vacant acres just east of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel and garage and north of Forest Park Parkway, also would include retail space and parking. The plan went before the Clayton Plan Commission on Monday night.



The commission postponed its decision on the plan and its architecture after a majority of members and the public raised concerns about issues including traffic, parking, the height of the complex and the appearance of the garage.



Harold Sanger, the commission chairman, said he was concerned that the plan could lead to high-rise buildings lining Forsyth Boulevard from the project site to Hanley Road.



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http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

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PostFeb 15, 2006#29

stlpcsolutions wrote:It is good to see the building will be near metrolink, however, why get excited? This just means that people are tired of the traffic and got a clue. I do not see how this is worth celebrating? Wow, people got a clue, its about time.


This thread has clearly merged two projects: the recently proposed 20-story building / six story apartment building across from metro and the Crescent, the nine story building on carondelet plaza that is under construction. In terms of both projects, I'm am excited about them not because of their location, but because they are URBAN. They promote the lifestyle that everyone on this website loves. As Expat predicted, they are bragging about being Link-ed, as they should be. These people are not just going to be old ladies like everyone assumes (some might be, but even if that was the case, everyone becomes old eventually, and everyone needs a place to stay). They are going to be people who want to be able to walk to dinner or work. They will support local UCITY restaurants and businesses just down Forsyth as well as places in the Loop or CWE, or any other place that is nearby or any place that the Link will take them, particularly downtown. They will be outside walking their dogs and creating vibrancy in the neighborhood. There will be ground-floor retail in both of these projects that folks like myself in UCITY will be able to walk to and enjoy, thus encouraging those already in the URBAN setting of the adjacent established neighborhoods to actually live life in the way their neighborhood was intended to allow them. Most importantly, the people in the 400 or so new units won't be living in SouthCo, WestCo, StCharles, etc. in cul-de-sac subdivisions. While I'm not as excited about this project as I would have been provided it had been downtown, I know that if the city limit was a mile or two further west, not a single person on this board would've objected or criticized, in the same way that nobody would have objected if it was proposed in the CWE or Midtown. Just because Clayton isn't as urban as St. Louis, there is no reason we shouldn't let good projects like these accomplish that. Cities aren't born urban, they become urban. And as Bastiat said, residential projects in this area, although not in the metro-east, are helping to shift the population center back east. Anything that supports and embraces public transit is a postive thing, this is no exception.

I apologize for the lack of brevity.

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PostApr 17, 2006#30

It's a shame that this new development next to the Ritz fell through. However, I don't think the site will sit vacant very long. Unless the entity selling the vacant land is willing to give up total control.

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PostApr 17, 2006#31

What that the Fountains fell through? That's old news.



I hope you are not refering to the Crescent. Let's not confuse but specify.

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PostApr 17, 2006#32

Well, since this thread isn't about the Crescent, I think you'll figure it out. I was talking about the project that was mentioned in this thread. The 20 story condo tower with attached six story apartments.

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PostApr 19, 2006#33

This is news to me, appraisalman. Where did you here that this project (The 20 story condo tower with attached six story apartments :wink: ) was cancelled?

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PostApr 19, 2006#34

I had heard that the project was cancelled because the sellers of the the vacant land had a clause in the contract that they had to approve of the architectural design for the land to be sold, which caused the developers to back out of the deal. Kind of a strange deal if you ask me. It could of been a wonderful project, and definately added to the momentum of the area with the crescent and plaza, along with the ritz.

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PostApr 21, 2006#35

The West End Word mentioned the cancellation of this project today. They listed parking issues as one of the problems. Yes, they pointed out the irony of "not enough parking spaces" for a project located next to a MetroLink stop.

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PostApr 21, 2006#36

^ how sad. But once the metro line opens, I bet someone comes back looking to do a project on the site.

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PostApr 21, 2006#37

I don't think the lack of parking spaces is fully accurate reporting if that's the excuse being cited in the West End Word. The Clayton Planning Commission was actually considering ways to lower their parking requirements for this development, especially the non-residential components. I think the fact this site straddles two cities (U-City and Clayton) that can't figure out how to divide any development of the site's taxes or even cooperatively jointly review a proposed project made led to this developer walking away from a offer contigent on too little time to secure needed approvals from not one, but two cities. Also, the option to lease shared parking from the Ritz, as suggested by Clayton planning staff, may not have gone anywhere.

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PostMay 19, 2006#38

Mixed-use condo in Clayton will walk the walk of new lifestyle

By Kathie Sutin

SPECIAL TO THE POST-DISPATCH

05/19/2006



When the Crescent in Clayton, a mixed-use condominium project, begins to take shape in a few weeks at 155 Carondelet Plaza across from the Ritz Carlton, it won't be the high-rise called for in earlier plans.



Instead of a 30-story skyscraper considered by an earlier developer, the Crescent will be a nine-story building that "hugs the street and defines the street and the plaza in its center," architect Andrew Trivers said. The brick and glass fa?ade will follow the curve of the fountain and the center island in front of the Ritz, giving the building its name.



Because of high land costs in Clayton, the initial inclination was to put something "very tall" on the site, said Trivers, principal of Trivers Associates in St. Louis. "But there are times when a tall building just doesn't make as much sense, and I think this is one of those where that was the case."



The biggest challenge was trying to make the building work with those already on the south side of the street and with the Ritz, he said. "A high-rise just ?didn't make any sense."



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PostMay 20, 2006#39

Is it better to have a building built with steel over concrete?



The article said that is where the majority of savings is.

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PostMay 22, 2006#40

I think this is a great project which will serve its intended purpose of activating street life in the area and adding some attractive retail. However, I do not understand the highrise approach "not making sense." The Plaza is just across the street and certainly does not conflict. Maryland Walk is also another great recent addition to the skyline. Once the building's footprint is established, why does height matter? The appeal is the shape and how is wraps around the circle drive, but does that necessitate a smaller building (Renaissance Hotel by airport)? Anyone have an explanation?

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PostMay 23, 2006#41

Some very rich and influential people live on the top of the Plaza right across the street. The height may have "not made sense" to those people who want unobstructed views above the 8th floor.

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PostMay 24, 2006#42

that very well could be, but the prime views are to the east (dt) and the west (sunsets).

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PostMay 25, 2006#43

Come on people it makes sense!



Who wants to take the stairs above the 8th floor without an elevator (besides me)?



In a sustainable city and pedestrian oriented/friendly one an 8-story midrise is perfect and proves the Parisian point that density works at 3-8 stories.



However, for this to be entirely true for Clayton it also means many of those mansions and other beautiful homes giving way to mid/low rises.

What expensive single family neighborhood should be buldozed first?

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PostMay 25, 2006#44

SMSPlanstu wrote:Come on people it makes sense!



Who wants to take the stairs above the 8th floor without an elevator (besides me)?



In a sustainable city and pedestrian oriented/friendly one an 8-story midrise is perfect and proves the Parisian point that density works at 3-8 stories.



However, for this to be entirely true for Clayton it also means many of those mansions and other beautiful homes giving way to mid/low rises.

What expensive single family neighborhood should be buldozed first?


Do what you wish with "Old Town" but if you are for bulldozing any of the other neighborhoods you are freaking insane. Clayton is our #1 suburb in terms of architecture and it beats the hell out of the other suburbs that I have visited that are supposedly on par with it. For example, for Washington, DC: Bethesda, Maryland = Frontenac. Potomac, MD = Town and Country. Clayton is too beautiful to be replaced by higher density.



Put your midrises in west downtown or midtown.

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PostMay 25, 2006#45

Supply/Demand & opposition :wink:

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Construction of Crescent, August 8, 2006.

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PostAug 11, 2006#47

God, I love the sight of steel going up. :D

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PostAug 11, 2006#48

They are moving fast on this project. I took these just a week and a half ago.








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PostAug 12, 2006#49

Its great to walk around the circle roundabout (its not a cul-de-sac since another road jutts out from the northeast) and see the two highrises and new midrise with a special walkway to a Metrolink station. I believe their are parking lots along the northeast road that could be built on.

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PostAug 12, 2006#50

Orchard Development, the Chicago-based firm responsible for several loft projects downtown, is supposedly going to develop the remain 3-acres on the Clayton Hole site, which is near the Ritz and Crescent. Plans call for 3 new buildings, 2 low rises and 1 high rise.



-St. Louis Business Journal: $150-million plan for Clayton Hole

-Urban St. Louis thread

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