Uh, forgive my ignorance if I missed something...but where the hell is the Creepy Crawl going?



I think I'm about to be pissed...

Great place, great location. I like the idea of pumping some younger night life into Grand Center.

This should attract even more SLU students. While I don't necesarilly like that they have to leave downtown, I think this is a great location for them.

I think this is a good move. The slu students should provide more than ample patronage. However we can only hope that they take better care of their new location than they did on Tucker.



Rich by lindenwood park.

With the Creepy Crawl leaving, they could tear down that building and put up a new highrise. Good location for it.

Exactly what Grand Center needs.



I can't understand why Grand Center hasn't attracted more retail/dining by now. It has great density, a built-in population, and sits between the ever-expanding downtown and CWE.



Does anyone know when the Metropolitan bldg. rehab will begin?

JMedwick wrote:The businesses already in Grand Center struggle to get traffic and stay afloat. The area desperatly needs more employment or housing density around it to support such establishments. It can fill up with all the arts stuff it wants, but untill it adds some jobs or residents, the streets will be dead.

That is exactly what Grand Center Inc does not seem to get, especially the housing part. Imagine if all parking lots (and other assorted dead area) around Grand and Lindell were developed into into's Townhouses and homes similar to what's going on in Gaslight Square. That would do much more for the area than any art museum.

I know that if Grand Center (or that area of Midtown) were more residential, it would be one of the few areas of the city that could lure me away from my treasured TGS.

Okay, what's the Creepy Crawl?

Basically an always all-ages rock club that plays everything from touring independent bands to local acts of limited experience to fill in the gaps. Mostly punk, "indie," and maybe some metal here and there. I used to see shows there in high school. I always felt like the place needed more space.



www.creepycrawl.com

Outstanding. I've been looking for a place in STL that has live bands on the weekends. That's one thing I miss about living in Bham...there were plenty of good local bands playing on the weekends.



All of the techno music in STL can get tiring and monotonous.

UAB,



If you like live music, and don't like the club stuff, there are tons of places you can go. From musical venues like the Duck Room, Mississippi Nights and Creepy Crawl, to bars like Venice Cafe, BBs, Mangia (has live music later at night)...



Really, just pick up an RFT and find what you want to hear, and there's places to see it.

and don't forget radio cherokee. it's a coffee house/music venue on cherokee. a bit more on the creapy crawl side in terms of atmosphere, with out the booze. then wait, why would I ever go there??!??!???!

It's funky to think about but Grand Center was once the cultural clashing hub of St. Louis by being the crossroads between north-south city and linking the core middle neighborhoods like the Mississippi River through the middle of our nation or examples continue:





Today the central corridor west of the City is the meeting ground and it is a much larger area since the Galleria, West County Mall, Chesterfield Mall, and the St. Louis Mills are relatively in the crossroads of capital or money and regional culture; the same is true for making the Loop so popular since young people from all over the region flock there. St. Lukes, St. Johns, MO Baptist, St. Mary's like BJC are all relatively centrally located hospitals



This is long, sorry, but I included the above paragraph to relate how today's crossroads of money, ideas, ideals, culture, and more come into interaction at a place of centrality just like how Grand Center was once that crossroads and place of centrality and interaction and conflict. The first place that comes to mind is Ben Yahuda in Jerusalem or Times Square in NYC



sorry for the rant, but how can Grand Center have that position again while laying aside the population argument?

From the RFT:

After weeks of uncertainty, punk mecca the Creepy Crawl has finally confirmed its new location.



According to owner Jeff Parks, the venue will be moving to Grand Center, a few doors down from Jazz at the Bistro and about a block from the Fox Theatre. Parks says the space will have a capacity of between 550 and 600.



"I'm really stoked," Parks says. "It's a real step forward for us.... It should really be great for us in the long run. We're still going to have a nice, intimate feel to it. I'm glad we're preserving that quality."



The planned opening date for the new location is March 17, but Parks intends to send out the old Creepy with a bang on March 13. The lineup features the Spunks, Gito Gito Hustler, the Independents and "Surprise Special Guest" Peelander-Z.

I will reiterate how great it is that the venue size has increased.

Parks says the space will have a capacity of between 550 and 600.

This is from an earlier Riverfront Times on a "Christmas List" for the STL Music Scene:

What: A 500-capacity indie-rock club

Why? The KC-Lawrence area draws so many bands (see above) because they have the venues to properly accommodate 'em. It's difficult to bring bands that are between up-and-coming and established to town when venues are tiny (Hi-Pointe, Fred's) or too big (Mississippi Nights, the Pageant). The Gearbox (R.I.P.) endeavored to plug this club gap, but it closed.

Just what we need!



The entire "christmas list" can be found here:

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/Issues/2 ... /atoz.html

i don't know, the average national show at mississippi nights is probably like 500 people, and the indie shows there usually do really well. i have a feeling that the creepy crawl will probably utilize the extra space to still bring in the same brand of by the numbers punk rock rather than actual mid popularity indie groups.

Creepy Crawl holds around 1000-1200

you must have gone to a different creepy crawl than me, the one i'm familiar with holds maybe 400 or so. mississippi nights has about 1000 capacity, give or take, but the vast majority of shows don't sell out.

Whoops! I meant to say "Mississippi Nights holds 1000-1200"



And club owners don't like wasting their time with bands that they KNOW wont have a chance of selling very much of their capacity. Band managers don't want to deal with it either. Mississippi Nights usually gets the bands that are pretty established and at least have a chance of filling it up pretty decently if not selling out as all clubs should do to meet their capacity size. Creepy Crawl is no different and it is nice to see their club size expand slightly bigger into that "in between area." (Between its former self, hi-pointe, and duck room and bigger venues like mississippi nights and the pageant)

yeah, after a rereading it i kinda figured you meant mississippi nights. sure, they try to find bands that can fill it up, but the truth is, sold out shows only happen once in a while, they're more frequent in the busy season and it might be harder to get a show that isn't going to deliver at least 700 in that time of year. it still stands that a 500-600 person show is fairly average at mississippi nights, and it's not uncommon for a band to do 200-300. if the sales at the bar are still good then it's still considered a success. it's true that there's a certain demographic of indie bands that do well but might not be quite big enough for a mississippi nights show, for example the hold steady or magnolia electric co. still though, it just depends on how the bar does. i just wouldn't rule it out for that size of show. i do work there, but that doesn't necessarily give me insight as to what goes on with the booking process, but i think having been there for most every show they have gives me some degree of insight into it

The entire "christmas list" can be found here:

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/Issues/2 ... /atoz.html

OT: And Amen to the 7 Shot Screamers wish...

The Creepy Crawl is moving to Grand Center, just down from Jazz at the Bistro on Washington sometime in March. Its where Club Riviera used to be.