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Has the new Creepy Crawl opened yet...originally they were set to open March 17th but faced some setbacks with the church on Washington and Grand not approving of their liquor license. The leaders of the church, as I recall, had looked at some of the names of the bands on creepycrawl.com and felt that they weren't very respectable sounding. A lot of the other community leaders (head of the Fox, and owner of Jazz at the Bistro) felt that the Creepy Crawl would be a very nice addition to the neighborhood.



Has it opened yet? When will it open???

I was looking through show listings in the RFT earlier this week and one of the Creepy shows was listed at the new address. Might have been a typo, or maybe not... Their website doesn't say anything, so probably an error of some sort.

I'm pretty sure both locations are open right now. If you go to their website, they have two locations of dates. Rogue Wave played on Wednesday at the new location, I wanted to go but had a previous engagement.



http://www.creepycrawl.com/

Yeah, they finally got their liquor license for the new location. All is well.

I've heard that the Creepy Crawl is in trouble and may have lost its liquor license. (Last time I was there - about a month ago - they were not serving. I figured it was just an "all ages show") What I've been told is basically hear-say, but I do know a local production company has been moving some of their shows around that normally would have been at the Creepy.



Wondering if anyone else has heard this?



I hope it is not true.

This is the first I've heard of this, but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised. There are so many new options in St. Louis in beautifully renovated buildings, interesting neighborhoods etc. that The Creepy Crawl would have to really step up to compete. I use to give them leeway in the old space but they made the effort to move to a new location in GRAND Center and they did the minimum possible to get the place open. The sound has never been good. The lighting is embarrassing. I go reluctantly because of the bands they book. If those bands could play elsewhere I'd be happy to see them in another space. That rope down the middle of the space with drinkers on one side and non on the other is annoying as all get out.

stellar wrote:This is the first I've heard of this, but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised. There are so many new options in St. Louis in beautifully renovated buildings, interesting neighborhoods etc. that The Creepy Crawl would have to really step up to compete. I use to give them leeway in the old space but they made the effort to move to a new location in GRAND Center and they did the minimum possible to get the place open. The sound has never been good. The lighting is embarrassing. I go reluctantly because of the bands they book. If those bands could play elsewhere I'd be happy to see them in another space. That rope down the middle of the space with drinkers on one side and non on the other is annoying as all get out.

And the chain link fence at the old location was any better?

they did lose their license, i don't know for how long though. they lost it once shortly before the move but got it back. as far as the fence/rope, yeah it sucks but it's the norm for all ages venues in st louis. it's a really sh*tty system for the customers but it's effective in reducing underage drinking. most of the time the drinkers want to hang close to the bar and the minors want to get up front anyway, but it's particularly uncomfortable at the creepy since it's such a small venue. it worked better at mississippi nights and even better than that at the pageant. i want all of the local venues to do well for the sake of the bands they draw, but if we have to lose another one, i'd be ok with it being the creepy crawl.

How about -- get a wristband when you enter? Sell to those with, don't to those without. Check for people drinking without wristbands. Is this not effective?

^No. Too easy to remove and give/sell to a minor.

Do we really care if it is more effective in controlling underage drinking at a concert? Is it really better for youngsters to get absolutely plastered in a dark park or alley before the show to ensure that their buzz lasts long enough?



There really shouldn't even be a legal drinking age. We need parents to be the parents, not the state.

I agree. But this isn't the appropriate forum to debate this. I am going to respond to these topics under the assumption that businesses are going to need to act in accordance with the law. There has to be a better way to do it than this.

Jeff707 wrote:I wonder if this is related to the announcement of the Misfits show at the Roberts Orpheum?

Wow, so much for their "adult contemporary only" policy.

Holy Cow - I hope this means more good shows to come at the Roberts Orpheum. I'm not a huge Misfits fan but the fact that they actually booked something is a positive sign.

The last good show that the Orpheum had was when they called the place the American Theater.

trent wrote:The last good show that the Orpheum had was when they called the place the American Theater.

Right when the Orpheum opened Rob Thomas (of Matchbox 20) played. Actually not a bad concert. Plus the fact the crowd was 75% women between 20 and 35 really helped. The other 25% were dudes dragged there by their girlfriends/fiances/wives. (like me)



Though the fact they completely ran out of beer, vodka, rum, club soda and ice showed their mismanagement.



Anyone going to the Misfits should plan on doing their drinking before.

The last show I saw there was the Chemical Brothers.

Okay.

Just heard last night they are getting the liquor license back soon. Not sure about scheduling and bands, but looking at their site, looks like they have a new(ish) booking Co. "Mike Judy Presents". One of my favorite bands, Tanker, has the Creepy newly listed on their myspace page for a show in Dec as well.



The liquor license is really the key. They have to have that to make it, ticket sales aren't going to do it alone. I'll post if I hear any more.

Wouldn't they be better off if they just dropped the whole underage thing? Any of you guys in the industry have an opinion?

Working just a few doors down from the Creepy I see the crowds they get and tons of them are teens... and we have benefitted from them not having a liquor license anyway, hehe... I just don't get how they make it though sometimes, some of these bands come with huge busses and a full entourage, I can't imagine they can pay them enough just by charging a cover at the door and selling soda and RedBull