The Bottle District

trent · PostAug 03, 2005#1012005-08-03T07:14+00:00

I may be grasping at straws, but maybe they're waiting for the renderings and design ideas from Liebeskind.

Personally, I can't wait to see what he's been working on, but can't we at least start ripping stuff up?

mhbtbd · PostAug 03, 2005#1022005-08-03T16:13+00:00

Barriers will be put up within the next two weeks and then demo will begin.

par · PostAug 03, 2005#1032005-08-03T16:24+00:00

mhbTBD,

any news on that traffic study you mentioned in May or June? has it begun, are they analyzing data?

mhbtbd · PostAug 03, 2005#1042005-08-03T16:30+00:00

Both Pinnacle and us are working with the city to do some "manuvering" of the current traffic flow around the Dome - nothing in stone yet. According to Pinnacle's master plan document, they show Broadway going both ways.

par · PostAug 03, 2005#1052005-08-03T17:13+00:00

mhbTBD wrote:Both Pinnacle and us are working with the city to do some "manuvering" of the current traffic flow around the Dome - nothing in stone yet. According to Pinnacle's master plan document, they show Broadway going both ways.

Is that part of the downtonw wide traffic study, or one specific to these two projects around the dome?

mhbtbd · PostAug 03, 2005#1062005-08-03T17:22+00:00

par wrote:
mhbTBD wrote:Both Pinnacle and us are working with the city to do some "manuvering" of the current traffic flow around the Dome - nothing in stone yet. According to Pinnacle's master plan document, they show Broadway going both ways.

Is that part of the downtonw wide traffic study, or one specific to these two projects around the dome?

To my knowledge, just regarding the two projects.

comandantecero · PostAug 18, 2005#1072005-08-18T18:55+00:00

was there a date for when they'd release renderings/updated site plans of what the district will look like?

xing · PostAug 18, 2005#1082005-08-18T21:07+00:00

There is only one little drawing Libenskind made, now featured on the Bottle District website. It's a sketch, and pretty small. Most of you have seen it already.

jcity · PostAug 19, 2005#1092005-08-19T23:19+00:00

I saw renderings of the Bottle District today, and they look incredible. The renderings make the previous ones posted on this site look like the strip mall in Chestefield Valley. They are strikingly modern, and go along with other designs Libeskind has done in the past. Whether they actually build the buildings in the renderings is always the question, supposedly it's the plan. I feel a million times better about this project. NOTHING in St. Louis will compare to it. I almost think the retail going into the project isn't good enough for these buildings. This will be the new St. Louis, it will blow you guys away.

Bottle District is not posted on his site, but gives you a good idea.

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/projects/index.html

MattnSTL · PostAug 20, 2005#1102005-08-20T03:27+00:00

I hope they are posted on the website soon. They sound very good from what you have provided.

xing · PostAug 20, 2005#1112005-08-20T12:35+00:00

JCity wrote:I saw renderings of the Bottle District today, and they look incredible. The renderings make the previous ones posted on this site look like the strip mall in Chestefield Valley. They are strikingly modern, and go along with other designs Libeskind has done in the past. Whether they actually build the buildings in the renderings is always the question, supposedly it's the plan. I feel a million times better about this project. NOTHING in St. Louis will compare to it. I almost think the retail going into the project isn't good enough for these buildings. This will be the new St. Louis, it will blow you guys away.

Bottle District is not posted on his site, but gives you a good idea.

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/projects/index.html

Do you mind me asking where you saw those?

vpr611 · PostAug 20, 2005#1122005-08-20T15:04+00:00

Thanks for the link MattnSTL

I really like the Fiera Milano design in Italy.

I think it would be cool it they would include some commercial office space into the Bottle District. Mabye even add a third tower for commercial space. That would be great!

par · PostAug 21, 2005#1132005-08-21T22:15+00:00

JCity wrote:I saw renderings of the Bottle District today, and they look incredible.

how did you get a chance to see them?

loftlover · PostAug 21, 2005#1142005-08-21T22:37+00:00

The suspense of seeing this incredible project get off the ground is killing me. Throw me a frigin' bone!!

10-intuition · PostAug 23, 2005#1152005-08-23T06:08+00:00

loftlover wrote:The suspense of seeing this incredible project get off the ground is killing me. Throw me a frigin' bone!!

When are they suppose to break ground on this project. I keep anxiously checking their site and it like 'check back soon'

loftlover · PostAug 23, 2005#1162005-08-23T10:16+00:00

mhbTBD wrote:Barriers will be put up within the next two weeks and then demo will begin.

This was the last post I read that indicates work should start soon, but I still haven't seen any barriers.

framer · PostAug 24, 2005#1172005-08-24T03:37+00:00

I hope I'm wrong, but I've had my doubts about this project from the beginning. Its just too big for these inexperienced developers.

I can't help but feel that this will turn out to be another one of Libeskind's designs that doesn't get built. Did you all notice a couple of weeks ago that the latest updated World Trade Center design really bears no resemblance to Libeskind's concept at all? As expected, David Child's design (Skidmore, Owings & Merrill) is the one that will actually get built. Libeskind gets lots of press, but (relatively) few of his designs get built.

I just don't think the Bottle District will happen. Again, I hope I'm wrong.

suburban lou · PostAug 24, 2005#1182005-08-24T05:01+00:00

Geez some of must be really new to this town

Wasn't the Park East Tower supposed to be built in 2003 things get delayed no big deal.

jmedwick · PostAug 24, 2005#1192005-08-24T13:05+00:00

Yes some things get delayed: (metrolink, park east, Kiel Opera House )

But somethings never happen/ never get finished (the FULL Mercantile Bank complex, modern high rises on Laclede's landing, Smithsonian affliate museum in Cupples Station)

Framer and many others have ever reason to be sceptical about this project untill construction starts.

MattnSTL · PostAug 24, 2005#1202005-08-24T13:47+00:00

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical, but two of the plans you mention never truly were real plans to start with.

jmedwick · PostAug 24, 2005#1212005-08-24T14:37+00:00

Each of the projects i mentioned were in different phases of development. The Smithsonian idea was both very rough and not well developed when first publicized. The tower complexes for the area where Laclede's Landing is was more concrete, but found to be un-feasable. The blade runner tower complex for Mercantile Bank got far enough that one of the complexe's buildings was built, but ended there. I think you would agree that where the plans for the Bottle District falls nicely in that spectrum of development.

Expat · PostAug 24, 2005#1222005-08-24T15:45+00:00

To be honest, it doesn't matter to me. Don't get me wrong. I hope they build it, especially because of the residential portion. Entertainment districts go in and out of style. I have seen them come and go. To me, the most important thing the city can do is get more residential in and around downtown. That will draw retail and nightlife - in a more organic and interesting way - and this will impress visitors even more. Splashy projects built to impress tourists are a good thing. But turning downtown into a real neighborhood with real stores will have the best long range impact. Having said that, I will be very excited if they complete this project. But, my hopes for St. Louis don't revolve around this or any other flashy, contrived nightlife district.

arch city · PostAug 24, 2005#1232005-08-24T18:40+00:00

Citylover wrote:Geez some of must be really new to this town

Wasn't the Park East Tower supposed to be built in 2003 things get delayed no big deal.

Exactly, Citylover. People thought the project would die too, and it didn't.

There are a few of us that have been around since 1999 (when I joined SSP) or so. We have seen LOTS of projects in St. Louis come to fruition and others that have not - it's really no different than any other city/region. Stuff gets planned and built, others don't. Also, some projects take longer or don't get built as anticipated because of financial complexities, brownfield issues, unanticipated obstacles, lawsuits, need for the project dissipates, etc.

I can recall when St. Louis forumers were posting on SSP dinky projects when other forumers were posting major highrise and commercial projects. St. Louis has come far in 5 years and it's great to have witnessed the progress - from dinky projects and proposals to major projects and proposals.

I have faith that the Bottle District will be built. Anyone that has been around long enough knows that many projects - anywhere in the United States - don't always break ground when the initial date is set.

The Cupple Station project didn't happen like they planned, but development has happened and is happening there. The Old Post Office District is happening. Washington Avenue is the talk of the nation. World class architects (Libeskind) and developers (Cordish) are a part of projects in non-cosmopolitan (sarcasm) downtown.

A world class team is drawing up plans for the riverfront. The much delayed new Busch Stadium is underway. Companies are moving downtown. Residents are moving downtown. Hotel occupancy is up. A plan to address chronic homelessness is being drawn up. Movement is being made in the Ice House District, Chouteau Lake District, West Loft District. New towers are planned and are sprouting up in the CWE as well as new medical and biotech facilities.

I don't know what else people could ask. The region - particularly the city - is on a roll. Looking at the glass half full rather than half empty keeps me optimistic.

Expat · PostAug 24, 2005#1242005-08-24T19:26+00:00

^Arch City, thanks for the pep talk. I would say the glass is over half full. I have been watching St. Louis stop and start for many years. I have never seen it rolling like it is now.

MattnSTL · PostAug 25, 2005#1252005-08-25T01:20+00:00

Arch, you said it much more gracefully than I would have. And I agree with you too Expat. It's the residents and businesses that make downtown. Entertainment districts are just the icing on the big, delicious cake. And I remember those dinky projects. What a ways we have come to even have something like the Bottle District proposed.

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