JuiceInDogtown wrote:Furthermore, I heard on Fox 2 this morning about a woman pushed out of her wheelchair and raped by 2 white males in Ladue.
That whole thing sounds really fishy to me.
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That whole thing sounds really fishy to me.
JuiceInDogtown wrote:I have emailed 4 people at the post, and BOMBED them with tweets. 0 responses.
It's pretty easy to hit the delete button.
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DeBaliviere wrote:JuiceInDogtown wrote:Furthermore, I heard on Fox 2 this morning about a woman pushed out of her wheelchair and raped by 2 white males in Ladue.
That whole thing sounds really fishy to me.
I thought the newspaper people were just being a**holes, but looking at it now, I can see where you would think that.
MattnSTL wrote:JuiceInDogtown wrote:I have emailed 4 people at the post, and BOMBED them with tweets. 0 responses.
It's pretty easy to hit the delete button.
Yep, they know. They don't give a sh*t what one person thinks. That's why every member on this forum should email them twice a week.
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TrustNoOne wrote:I can't understand why people are celebrating this incredible waste of the taxpayers dollar on a socialist government project like this highway. All its doing is redistributing the wealth from real Americans to these liberal Democrat urban dwelling socialist traitors. Not to mention that this will allow undesirables from the city to more quickly get out to us God loving, freedom loving folks in Real America.
This is meant to be ironic, right?
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^I gotta think that's a joke--As is the response a few comments later that recommended selling the highway to private interests who could open a toll road.
At least I hope it is. If it's not I hope these folks don't call the "socialist" fire dept. when their house goes up in flames or the "socialist" police dept. if they are the victim of a crime.
At least I hope it is. If it's not I hope these folks don't call the "socialist" fire dept. when their house goes up in flames or the "socialist" police dept. if they are the victim of a crime.
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Hey! This liberal Democrat urban dwelling socialist traitor didn't want the freakin' highway in the first place!
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Grover wrote:Hey! This liberal Democrat urban dwelling socialist traitor didn't want the freakin' highway in the first place!
I'm a conservative myself, but if you weren't describing yourself you should always throw in "loft dweller" because that is, for some reason, a put down in this city.
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From Berger's Beat:
Meanwhile, attorney Chet Pleban, who represents St. Louis Police officer Bobby Garrett, is not pleased these days. Garrett was indicted by the federal government for misconduct and entered a plea of guilty to certain charges pursuant to a plea agreement. On Tuesday, Garrett was sentenced to 28 months in federal prison.
Pleban noticed that someone posted a comment on the STLtoday.com, suggesting that one of Pleban's "checks to the judge bounced" and that is why Garrett is going to jail for a couple of years for a lifetime of crime. "I wrote to the editor seeking the identity of a person who made the defamatory comments," says Pleban. "Although they took the posting down, they would not voluntarily disclose the identity of the poster claiming that it was against the policy to provide identifying information. I was not pleased with the response and am currently exploring potential causes of action against not only the poster, but the newspaper as well."
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DeBaliviere wrote:From Berger's Beat:
Meanwhile, attorney Chet Pleban, who represents St. Louis Police officer Bobby Garrett, is not pleased these days. Garrett was indicted by the federal government for misconduct and entered a plea of guilty to certain charges pursuant to a plea agreement. On Tuesday, Garrett was sentenced to 28 months in federal prison.
Pleban noticed that someone posted a comment on the STLtoday.com, suggesting that one of Pleban's "checks to the judge bounced" and that is why Garrett is going to jail for a couple of years for a lifetime of crime. "I wrote to the editor seeking the identity of a person who made the defamatory comments," says Pleban. "Although they took the posting down, they would not voluntarily disclose the identity of the poster claiming that it was against the policy to provide identifying information. I was not pleased with the response and am currently exploring potential causes of action against not only the poster, but the newspaper as well."
Only when the person uses a vulgarity for the female genitals.
Oh, and there is a website full of nothing but anonymous forums - topix.net, a news site with a forum/bulletin board. Post anonymously without even registering. On there, people think of someone they don't like and post defamatory things about them, including one police officer that they spread rumors about beating/macing/handcuffing his wife in the back of his squad car off duty. The local news picked up on the thread and was contacting the Sheriff's Department. Meanwhile, when someone was going after Topix for it, they made a big deal of it on their website about how a Texas judge ordered the release of information, and of course all of the idiots were claiming "freedom of speech."
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From the article on the new artists lofts at the Bottle District:
Could you imagine living in a complex with nothing but stltoday commentators? It would just be nothing but yelling. Also, not sure if I'd be ok with all the old white man stank.
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DeBaliviere wrote:From the article on the new artists lofts at the Bottle District:
Could you imagine living in a complex with nothing but stltoday commentators? It would just be nothing but yelling. Also, not sure if I'd be ok with all the old white man stank.
On the upside your rent would probably include free cable so that everyone could keep up with Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... t_that.php
Wow, if the P-D had any class left, they've certainly thrown it out the window with this.
Wow, if the P-D had any class left, they've certainly thrown it out the window with this.
southsidepride wrote:DeBaliviere wrote:From the article on the new artists lofts at the Bottle District:
Could you imagine living in a complex with nothing but stltoday commentators? It would just be nothing but yelling. Also, not sure if I'd be ok with all the old white man stank.
On the upside your rent would probably include free cable so that everyone could keep up with Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.
Favorite comment on that article:
More proof that our city leaders have no idea what they are doing. They need to consolidate most of that area and pave over it to have a proper parking lot for the dome. What's left should have been turned into restaurants and bars instead of the upscale projects they built.
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southsidepride wrote:DeBaliviere wrote:From the article on the new artists lofts at the Bottle District:
Could you imagine living in a complex with nothing but stltoday commentators? It would just be nothing but yelling. Also, not sure if I'd be ok with all the old white man stank.
On the upside your rent would probably include free cable so that everyone could keep up with Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.
There. I think this sums it all up very well.
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Yes, I am copying/pasting my own comment from the Crime Thread here on Urban Living.
Interesting. I'm the last person to pull the race card, and I think all should be responsible for their actions. Blaming society has grown tired, and feeling sorry for criminals boils my blood.
Yet, I find it interesting that an article was posted about a South Grand Walgreen's being robbed, and the security camera photo is a 5'6 chubby white male.
It was posted at 11:43am, and oddly, there are only 7 comments. I've never seen this before.
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-lou ... s-robbery/
Or what about when people threaten other people on the comment sections? 
*Cough JuiceInDogtown, Cough*
So I think it shows that even level headed people somehow just go crazy on those comment sections over at stltoday. Sort of like doing drugs (the hard stuff)
*Cough JuiceInDogtown, Cough*So I think it shows that even level headed people somehow just go crazy on those comment sections over at stltoday. Sort of like doing drugs (the hard stuff)
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PMed you. No idea what you're talking about..supposing you don't either. Your idea of a "threat" and my idea of a "threat" are probably different.zink wrote:Or what about when people threaten other people on the comment sections?
So I think it shows that even level headed people somehow just go crazy on those comment sections over at stltoday. Sort of like doing drugs (the hard stuff)
It was clarified - I never threatened anyone, I made a stab at a heartless, insensitive comment made by our friend zink and took a below the belt shot at Kurt Greenbaum.
Basically the story was about someone running out of insurance money for their kid who has cancer and zink and another user said that the people complaining were greedy and should, in essence, "cut their losses" (let the kid die). As a father, I was very angry, and now that it's been brought to my attention, I'm angry again.
And to be clear, my post on STLToday said that "If I were that kid's parents, I would contact Kurt Greenbaum to get your identities and hunt you down." Not exactly a threat.
If you want to bring "threats" out in to the open on UrbanSTL, I'll bring to the attention something I would hope you would have the decency to keep to yourself in a civiziled public setting. I hope the cancerous kids' parent didn't read your comments.
Basically the story was about someone running out of insurance money for their kid who has cancer and zink and another user said that the people complaining were greedy and should, in essence, "cut their losses" (let the kid die). As a father, I was very angry, and now that it's been brought to my attention, I'm angry again.
And to be clear, my post on STLToday said that "If I were that kid's parents, I would contact Kurt Greenbaum to get your identities and hunt you down." Not exactly a threat.
If you want to bring "threats" out in to the open on UrbanSTL, I'll bring to the attention something I would hope you would have the decency to keep to yourself in a civiziled public setting. I hope the cancerous kids' parent didn't read your comments.
Zink is a friend of mine and is far from a heartless, insensitive person. I recall what Zink said and understood his comments came from a rational perspective. Clearly, we don't have infinite resources to treat everyone. There are limits and at some point we must come to accept the eventual demise of ourselves and our loved ones.JuiceInDogtown wrote:It was clarified - I never threatened anyone, I made a stab at a heartless, insensitive comment made by our friend zink and took a below the belt shot at Kurt Greenbaum.
Basically the story was about someone running out of insurance money for their kid who has cancer and zink and another user said that the people complaining were greedy and should, in essence, "cut their losses" (let the kid die). As a father, I was very angry, and now that it's been brought to my attention, I'm angry again.
And to be clear, my post on STLToday said that "If I were that kid's parents, I would contact Kurt Greenbaum to get your identities and hunt you down." Not exactly a threat.
If you want to bring "threats" out in to the open on UrbanSTL, I'll bring to the attention something I would hope you would have the decency to keep to yourself in a civiziled public setting. I hope the cancerous kids' parent didn't read your comments.
Juice, although we haven't interacted in person, I consider you a friend as well. Perhaps we can place more effort delving into actual issues than attacking others. The former can be constructive -- the latter is typically not.
^ To be fair, I will disclose everything including my actual comment.
If someone wants to hunt me down... I wont take that lieing down. (Because if I do, probably means you already got me
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Background:
Here is the orginal story and you can see all the comments (Except JuiceinDogtown's because his was removed by the moderator) However, since I have never actually been threatened before, I did save the screenshot. (Hey I am an auditor, what do you expect?)
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
Here was my comment to the story.
DevilCat, I agree 100%. In todays age people think there is a cure for everything and will do anything to try and find it. There used to be respect for loved ones that are dying, now it is just greed for those that want to keep them alive because they think they can beat nature.
I also wonder if these treatments are that expensive because they are going to one of the top children's hospitals in the US?
And here is JuiceInDogtown's response:
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Was I a little harsh? Maybe. Then again I might just be too into Darwinism. But does that deserve to be "hunted down?" Especially considering that there are meetups of members on this forum...
So going back to my original post... Goes to show that even rational and respected members on this forum, can go crazy on STLToday.
And I am now currently done talking about this.
If someone wants to hunt me down... I wont take that lieing down. (Because if I do, probably means you already got me
)Background:
Here is the orginal story and you can see all the comments (Except JuiceinDogtown's because his was removed by the moderator) However, since I have never actually been threatened before, I did save the screenshot. (Hey I am an auditor, what do you expect?)
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
Here was my comment to the story.
DevilCat, I agree 100%. In todays age people think there is a cure for everything and will do anything to try and find it. There used to be respect for loved ones that are dying, now it is just greed for those that want to keep them alive because they think they can beat nature.
I also wonder if these treatments are that expensive because they are going to one of the top children's hospitals in the US?
And here is JuiceInDogtown's response:
Was I a little harsh? Maybe. Then again I might just be too into Darwinism. But does that deserve to be "hunted down?" Especially considering that there are meetups of members on this forum...
So going back to my original post... Goes to show that even rational and respected members on this forum, can go crazy on STLToday.
And I am now currently done talking about this.
I think there is craziness in the air of the STLToday comment board that can infect you no matter what your views are. In my opinion, that place is to be avoided like the plague it is.
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I think a discussion on the topic that zink and juice disagree over is extremely important for this society to have. Too bad this isn't the place for it.
On a related note, I attended the Society of Professional Journalists luncheon a week ago @ Lucas Park. The topic? Online commenting. Interestingly enough, the panel included Kurt Greenbaum.
I passed out printed copies of http://stltomorrow.org to approximately 30 attendees, including Kurt. He seemed a bit surprised, to say the least.
Punching Kitty's take: http://punchingkitty.com/2010/01/14/kur ... ing-wrong/
Video I recorded(and questioned him about halfway in)
I passed out printed copies of http://stltomorrow.org to approximately 30 attendees, including Kurt. He seemed a bit surprised, to say the least.
Punching Kitty's take: http://punchingkitty.com/2010/01/14/kur ... ing-wrong/
Video I recorded(and questioned him about halfway in)
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And again just to be fair, the quote from devilcat;zink wrote:^ To be fair, I will disclose everything including my actual comment.
If someone wants to hunt me down... I wont take that lieing down. (Because if I do, probably means you already got me
Background:
Here is the orginal story and you can see all the comments (Except JuiceinDogtown's because his was removed by the moderator) However, since I have never actually been threatened before, I did save the screenshot. (Hey I am an auditor, what do you expect?)
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
Here was my comment to the story.
DevilCat, I agree 100%. In todays age people think there is a cure for everything and will do anything to try and find it. There used to be respect for loved ones that are dying, now it is just greed for those that want to keep them alive because they think they can beat nature.
I also wonder if these treatments are that expensive because they are going to one of the top children's hospitals in the US?
And here is JuiceInDogtown's response:
Was I a little harsh? Maybe. Then again I might just be too into Darwinism. But does that deserve to be "hunted down?" Especially considering that there are meetups of members on this forum...
So going back to my original post... Goes to show that even rational and respected members on this forum, can go crazy on STLToday.
And I am now currently done talking about this.
The kid is 14.OK, here we have a patient with an undiagnosted, immunologically-mediated neurological disease who is getting very expensive treatments, which don't sound all that effective. This is one of those cases of futile therapy, or in other words treating a patient with no real end point or plan in mind. This is one of the major things that is wrong with our healthcare system, although this is caused by unrealistic expectations of the healthcare system. The doctor/medical shows on TV are entertainment; they are not what happens to real patients! The best plan here would be to taper the patient off IVIG and let nature take its course. All the current treatments are doing is preventing him from dying, which sooner or later will happen to all of us. What is being done now shouldn't be allowed to continue.
Anywho, I agree, debating it on UrbanSTL is probably not the place.
To zink, I apologize that you took my post to heart and that it was a fairly extreme response by me as well. I was extremely irritated at the lack of sensitivity by some of the commenters, but I guess it is to be expected there. I probably should just swear off STLToday all together.
Again, don't take it to heart, or even somewhat seriously. I'm a pretty mild mannered guy. If we met, you'd probably even like me.
