Tapatalk

St. Louis University Biomedical Research Tower

St. Louis University Biomedical Research Tower

2,831
Life MemberLife Member
2,831

PostDec 21, 2004#1







THE SIGNS ARE UP AND CONSTRUCTION IS BEGINNING!



GREAT NEWS FOR MIDTOWN SOUTH!

Michael Allen
Michael Allen

PostJan 04, 2005#2

That's one of the most anti-urban designs proposed for this city in ages. I hadn't seen the 3-D rendering yet.



I hope that Peerless Fixtures wins its battle to stay in place. It has more character than this frightening edifice.

399
Full MemberFull Member
399

PostJan 04, 2005#3

I'm just wondering what in you mind (legitimate question, not trying to be a smart ass) makes this design so anti-urban? From what I can tell, the only thing anti-urban in this design is the copius amounts of green space on either side of the building. although the red walls are a bit gaudy. The building's style does not fit the existing structures in the area, but i do think the scale does, and there are numerous examples of a modern buiding (The glass pyramid and the Louvre, most famous) fitting in very well with its much older neighbors. Just wondering your opinion.

6,662
AdministratorAdministrator
6,662

PostJan 04, 2005#4

I believe, basing this off the urban review blog, that he does not like the amount of green space.



I can see where some people may not agree with the open space, but I really have no problem with the green space. Not like housing was going to be built there anyway. Anything that goes in on the corner will be associated with SLU med school. As for the design of the building, I really like it. It is the modern architecture that I would really like to see in St. Louis more often. Nice analogy with the Louvre.



I'm sure it won't stay as green space forever anyway.

10K
AdministratorAdministrator
10K

PostJan 04, 2005#5

I don't like the green space either, but I wonder if the land is being kept as green space until an additional building is needed in the future.

6,662
AdministratorAdministrator
6,662

PostJan 04, 2005#6

Just basing this off the lack of trees on the corner, I would bet that they are planning to build there eventually. The research building is really not too big, so they are sure to run out of space in there eventually. There isn't really too much space nearby for expansion, except for the open space around the new building.

Michael Allen
Michael Allen

PostJan 05, 2005#7

My problems are twofold:



1. The building once again sacrifices sublety and good taste to display of a logo and a vangue attempt to use the same materials as other new SLU construction. Not that it's appalling, but it seems like it's far less modern than it could be. SLU really needs to let go of its branding trend and start experimenting with materials in thgeir buildings, fencing, etc. (No slight to SLU, which is a fine school and does a lot for Midtown.)



2. Yes, I have a problem with the copius open space. It's not ebcause it's open or because it's green but because it's _dead space_. The chances that anyone will use that space are slim. There's not much to go to around the lot. Most good parks are effective when they are surrounded by used buildings and become informal pathways. This is a suburban-style swath of space. It won't function as anything but manicured space, which may be it's intention. The biolab will be a level-4 facility, "requiring" some setbacks.



SLU could have found a huge gob of land elsewhere, even within the city (the 40-acre Cardondelet Coke site, anyone?). This is a prominent urban space that needs density and vitality. Shops should be facing Grand and Choteau there. The Pevely buildings are amazingly dense and lovely buildings that deserve their rightful place in an urban neighborhood.



As for housing never being built there--it could have been. That's a great spot for housing, near MetroLink and SLU as well as close to downtown.

6,662
AdministratorAdministrator
6,662

PostJan 05, 2005#8

The only reason I said that housing would not be built there is because SLU owns it, not that it would not be a good site for housing. Even if it was housing, it would be for students, not residents of the city. Not that students are bad, they just aren't the people that are using metrolink daily, (although it is popular with SLU students) and going out shopping and working.



As for the building being built elsewhere, not likely. Why would they build a research building for themselves so far away, and seperated from the rest of the cortex biotech area? That hurts the clustering of biotech research, and it seperates SLU from it's own research. WashU puts all there med buildings in one spot too. No doubt areas like Carondolet Coke need to be redeveloped, but I think this building is in the right spot. I do think SLU needs to go out on a limb with their designs a little more, but at least this one won't have any green towers, thank god.



When it comes to the green space, it is definately not my first choice for that land, but I have no doubt that it will get developed at some point. It is just too prime of real estate to leave as grass. This site doesn't reach it fullest potential, but I would not go as far as saying that it is anti-urban.

10K
AdministratorAdministrator
10K

PostJan 05, 2005#9

Michael, I definitely agree with you on the need for a little architectural diversity on the SLU campus. Not every building has to be built using orange/red brick and having a pointy green roof. The Med School campus, in particular, is the perfect place to go for a more modern look. On the Frost Campus, there really isn't a need to make every building look the same - one of the most attractive parts of the campus can be seen as you head down Lindell from Grand - College Church and DuBourg Hall (both gothic), the business school, the Queen's Daughters building (law school), etc. - all different architectural styles.

835
Super MemberSuper Member
835

PostJan 06, 2005#10

I agree with Michael. I think the design of this project demonstrates yet another staid and unimaginative attempt at innovation, which is common in new construction in St. Louis. I would like to have seen more density on that prominent corner-- perhaps some commercial/residential development, especially given its close proximity to the Grand Metro station. But alas, I'm glad to see that the lot won't be vacant any more. I can only hope that as the vacant land in the city is slowly but surely built upon, that the designs of the projects that grace them will improve over time.

399
Full MemberFull Member
399

PostJan 06, 2005#11

I do agree that the green space is just that, Space. It's a waste and serves no purpose. The building? I can live with it, it's not great, it's not terrible. I think what will ultimately define this project is what comes 5-10 years down the road after this is completed. Will there still be an empty lawn at the prime corner of Chouteau and Grand? Or will another SLU building(s) go up on that site?

39
New MemberNew Member
39

PostJan 06, 2005#12

Really ugly and uninspired, IMO. Does anyone else hate that seafoam green color that 50% of all new developments seems to have on them?

I think it looks disasterous.



I really wish this city were more picky about the aesthetics of its new residential, commercial, and infrastructure developments.

28

PostJan 26, 2005#13

" When it comes to the green space, it is definately not my first choice for that land, but I have no doubt that it will get developed at some point. It is just too prime of real estate to leave as grass. "



They'll leave it as grass. Biolabs develop scary things that are often quite unhealthy for the world, and therefore require lots of security and surveillance (especially with post 9-11 paranoia). Therefore, SLU will keep the green space.



To repeat what many of you have said: What a waste.



There are rumors that far in the future, the Wash U Med School wants to put something similar on a certain site in Forest Park Southeast. The street it's supposed to be on is terribly run down, unpaved and culdesac'ed off from the neighborhood, which is probably intentional--if the rumors are true, someday Wash U will get to sweep in here and make a big show of "revitalizing" a "blighted" street with its biotech facility. The way the city is courting them and letting SLU build that nasty, toxic thing, I suspect that they have in their heads to try and build up St. Louis as a center for biotech (even on a minor scale). They probably think it will bring prestige, money, and jobs. Maybe they've even been reading some Richard Florida and learned about what high-tech jobs can do for a city. It's pretty sad, though, if you see the way they're letting Wash U destroy this neighborhood (via terrible deadbeat landlordism and other methods) right now. The city is so caught up with fancy projects like this to attract attention to StL in the future that they neglect to make life good for those of us who already live here.



Oh yeah, I've also noticed that sea green color, and I agree with you about how ugly it is. I see it a lot as window tinting, esp. on new condo towers up in Chicago. My theory is that the color can look neat on drawings and other renderings, but when the structure is actually built, it just looks like bland seasickness. Yet another reason why designers need to get out and spend lots of time around the city before trying to direct its future.

604
Senior MemberSenior Member
604

PostJan 26, 2005#14

I'm not sure why everyone is so frustrated with all the green space at this project. First, the land is owned by SLU, so it's not like the green space would be developed into condo buildings or storefronts - it's part of their campus. Most campuses have a lot of green space, and at this location it doesn't bother me that much. Now, if someone were to build a new office building or condo building on South Grand, the Loop, downtown, etc... and then leave this much green space - I WOULD have a problem.



In other words, this area is currently not a dense, walking neighborhood, nor do I see a trend that it will become that.



Of course, you're welcome to disagree, but that's just my take on it.

94
New MemberNew Member
94

PostJan 28, 2005#15

metzgda wrote:I'm not sure why everyone is so frustrated with all the green space at this project. First, the land is owned by SLU, so it's not like the green space would be developed into condo buildings or storefronts - it's part of their campus. Most campuses have a lot of green space, and at this location it doesn't bother me that much. Now, if someone were to build a new office building or condo building on South Grand, the Loop, downtown, etc... and then leave this much green space - I WOULD have a problem.



In other words, this area is currently not a dense, walking neighborhood, nor do I see a trend that it will become that.


The quote above is just another example of what I call the "St. Louis" attitude towards development here. It is the reason half our city and the entire suburban area around us looks like it does.



This site has views of downtown and Grand Center that are unrivaled in the city. The Chouteau Lake project will encompass (that is the plan anyway) the Grand Metrolink station. That station is just down the street. King Louie's (sp?) is a couple of blocks away. SLU med school and the Hospital are just down the street. The fast food restaurant and businesses across Chouteau can go away very easily if the right people can obtain the land............in other words, this site and entire corner/street is prime for mixed use development and could very easily be a great pedestrian neighborhood. It has great pieces already existing that are perfect building blocks towards making this part of Grand more "usable". The street improvements further South on Grand are working to slow traffic, and the same could be achieved here. It goes on and on......



Maybe I just see things differently, but to say that since it now isn't a walkable neighborhood and to allow just anything to be built because of that is very shortsighted. I think the research building is great for St. Louis, and unlike many other projects, will probably actually look better built than in the rendering.....the drawing it is pretty weak. But it can also be integrated into a more urban site. Not a large unused yard.



I've said it before, once bad development is built, that pedestrian neighborhood we want is next to impossible to achieve down the road. People here need to think ahead.



Just my take..........

1,610
Totally AddictedTotally Addicted
1,610

PostJan 28, 2005#16

SLU is just landbanking, trying to gobble everything between Grand, Compton, Chouteau and Park for their medical campus, allowing for future expansion. In the far off future, this passive green space could be used for Chouteau right-of-way realignment to provide a Metrolink station on the southside extension.



In the meantime, the mix mosh of development north of the site (Captain D's, Complex, etc.) would have to be redeveloped into bio-belt offices or mixed use before the area about Grand-Chouteau would be considered a walkable, dense neighborhood. SLU could go after this land, but it's more likely to be condemned for biotech partners.

1,517
Totally AddictedTotally Addicted
1,517

PostJan 30, 2005#17

Speaking of Choteau...there's a street that could really use a renaissance. It has all non-descript semi-industrial use along it, and its location (on the way to downtown) could be a good selling point. I know the projects located closer to downtown will not help to get any developments, but, hey, King Louis square seems to be doing fine.

10K
AdministratorAdministrator
10K

PostApr 18, 2005#18

Clayco to build SLU's $67.5 million research building



Clayco Construction got the nod to build Saint Louis University's $67.5 million research building, the university said Monday.



The university said a selection committee reviewed various proposals in a "rigorous process."



Cannon Design of St. Louis designed the modern, 10-story building, to be located at the corner of Grand and Chouteau. The university said it acquired all but one of the properties needed for the building, and the remaining site is under contract. Demolition is set to begin June 2.



The university has already raised more than $28 million toward the center's cost.



The building is part of an $80.5 million project that includes renovating existing lab space, for which a contractor will be selected later.



Joseph Weixlmann, provost, said the project is critical to the university's ability to attract and retain the best faculty and researchers.



"These new research facilities will help us compete for more external funding and will enhance the university's growing national reputation for cutting-edge medical research," Weixlmann said, in a statement.

1,282
AdministratorAdministrator
1,282

PostJun 08, 2005#19

Saint Louis University to break new ground with research building

Jim Merkel

Of the Suburban Journals

South City Journal

06/08/2005



Up to now, medical research has been done throughout the St. Louis University campus.



But all that will change, when a new 10-story St. Louis University Health Sciences Center Research Building is completed 22 months from now.



Ground for the new 206,000-square-foot facility on nine acres on the east side of South Grand Boulevard just south of Chouteau Avenue was broken Thursday. Public officials at the groundbreaking ceremony, including U.S. Sen. Christopher "Kit" Bond and Mayor Francis Slay, said the new building will add to the university's ability to do cutting-edge medical research.



"This is an opportunity for our researchers to find adequate space, top-of-the-line facilities to do the basic research that we're running out of space for," said Rev. Lawrence Biondi, president of St. Louis University.



"We've had cramped laboratory space and this will provide cutting-edge space, cutting-edge research in a secure space. That's why it's so important," Biondi said.



Biondi called the facility "the single most important and largest construction project in St. Louis University's 187-year history. For years we have dreamt of creating a world-class research facility that would provide the tools for helping our researchers change lives for the better."



The two lowest floors of the building will extend to the south and will end in a covered walkway to the St. Louis University School of Medicine, where additional research facilities and training space are located.



The first floor, at street level, will contain the main lobby, security desk and clinical core lab facility.



The second through eighth floors will be reserved for typical research with flexible modular laboratories along the south and east sides.



The research building will taper to a point on the west side.



The kind of research done at St. Louis University covers a number of areas, Biondi said.



"Some of the researchers here today are working on combating infectious diseases such as smallpox, avian flu influenza, HIV, West Nile Virus and tuberculosis as well as groundbreaking treatments for heart, liver and lung diseases," Biondi said at the groundbreaking ceremony.



"They're also studying Alzheimer's disease and other diseases that affect the brain as we all age," Biondi said.



"Our university continues to stand at the forefront of research of liver disease and new ways of fighting cancer. And SLU's Institute for Biosecurity provides the global community with tools needed for preparedness, response and recovery from intentionally or naturally occurring outbreaks," Biondi said.



"This new facility will provide a coordinated, state of the art, single setting for expanded biomedical research with an opportunity for collaboration between researchers as well as a multidisciplinary team approach to find diseases, find ways to alleviate the symptoms of diseases and cure diseases," said Dr. Patricia L.Monteleone, dean of the St. Louis University School of Medicine.



The facility will pull researchers from five different buildings into one building, Dr. Monteleone said.



"What a wonderful place for students, for residents and for faculty and staff to learn and to research," Dr. Monteleone said.



The areas to be researched at the building are all areas in which the university has strengths, Dr. Monteleone said.



"These are the areas where we focus most of our resources and these are the areas where we have made the most strides thus far and will continue to do so," Dr. Monteleone said.



Bond praised the research work going on at SLU, and spent much of his speech at the groundbreaking taking about the university's work to combat bioterrorism.



"Since 2000, the university's Institute for Biosecurity has been instrumental in providing frontline emergency workers with the education and training materials needed for preparedness, response, recovery and mitigation efforts in the event of a bioterrorist attack or an actual occurring outbreak of some horrible disease," Bond said.



"This new building will expand research capabilities here at St. Louis University to meet the constantly evolving security, technology and research needs," Bond said.



"This new facility will increase capacity in the critical fight against infectious diseases, with particular emphasis on emerging infections, vaccine development, cancer, cardiology and geriatric medicine," Bond said.



"The work done here will advance the university's, Missouri's and the nation's research capabilities and help to make our country a safer place," Bond said.



Bond obtained $1.8 million in federal dollars for the building.



Slay said the groundbreaking wasn't just about a new research building.



"It's about celebrating St. Louis U's longstanding presence and continued commitment to the city of St. Louis. It's about celebrating the strong leadership and the vision of Father Biondi and his team and it's about celebrating the impact that this research facility's going to have on this city and on the world," Slay said.



"What this facility will do is help expand upon that role so the St. Louis U scientists will make discoveries that will help countless individuals around the world for years to come," Slay said.



"The St. Louis U Research Building will have a major impact on the St. Louis economy, bringing in new federal research dollars and with it new construction jobs as well as new faculty and staff positions at St. Louis U," Slay said.



"The facility will also enhance the city's growing reputation for attracting research, particularly in the medical field," Slay said.

4,489
Super ModeratorSuper Moderator
4,489

PostSep 13, 2005#20

SLU biomedical building webcam is up.







http://www.claycorp.com/slucam/

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostSep 19, 2005#21

I know I'm chiming in a bit late here, but I really like the design of the new research building. It was designed by George Nikolajevich of Cannon Design. He is on the short list of local architects doing really nice modern design (both here and nationally). The Sheldon Art Galleries had a show of his work several months ago. Really impressive stuff.



And I'm sure that the rest of the site will eventually be built on. SLU is building a medical campus, after all, not a park.

1,282
AdministratorAdministrator
1,282

PostSep 26, 2005#22

SLU builds $66 million 'green' facility that could pay back

Heather Cole

Saint Louis University's new research building, part of the largest construction project in the history of the university, also could become the largest in the area to win certification for environmental friendliness.



Officials are seeking silver-level Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design, or LEED, certification for the building. If they're successful, the $66 million, 206,000-square-foot building will be the largest in the area to get the green designation.



Read More

156
Junior MemberJunior Member
156

PostSep 26, 2005#23

good to see them going for LEED certification, but why stop at silver?

2,005
Life MemberLife Member
2,005

PostSep 26, 2005#24

It's pretty tough to get a LEED rated building, besides the Alberici HQ mentioned in the article, the Earth & Planetary Science Building at WashU and Nidus Center for Scientific Enterprise are the only other buildings in our area that have been certified. To give an idea what LEED certification entails click on the link below.



>>Alberici Rating

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostApr 27, 2006#25

This building is nearly topped-out now. It sure makes an impression traveling South on Grand from Lindell.

Read more posts (141 remaining)