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PostApr 29, 2008#651

^Hmmm. It was there a minute ago. 8)

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PostApr 29, 2008#652

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I would suspect there could be a fair number of younger people, since that stuff tends to come back around every 20-30 years and be hip again. Not sure if that is the case for this specific film though.
If I remember right it had a comeback in the mid-late '90s.



I'd say that if people knew about this, there'd be a decent turnout. I'm not sure where this is being promoted, though. And if it drums up some business for the restaurants for dining before and after the show, more power to them.

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PostApr 29, 2008#653

Here's a discussion from the Cards Talk forum on STLToday - just shows that even those of us who don't follow downtown development closely are starting to catch on to Union Station's situation:



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PostApr 30, 2008#654

^Posted by OmahaCard79:
I used to be incredibly excited about ballpark village. I thought it was going to be an amazing addition to the cardinals experience.



after visiting union station this week, I don't even think I'm in favor of it. Sure, it'll start out great, but 10 years later, the national retail chains will be replaced by another location of "gold and diamonds". From inside the stadium, you'll be able to see the led board behind the counter flashing "GRILLZ, GRILLZ, GRILLZ". it'll be amazing.



Like I said, build a cardinals hall of fame, a couple of restaurants, and call it a day. Let a company develop some if they want office space. That's it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostMay 01, 2008#655

Ciaccollata is opening a location at Union Station.



off their website:

"We are having a secret pre-move in store private sale

We will be moving soon to a new location in downtown Saint Louis

But before we move we want to show our appreciation"



http://www.iluvchocolate.com/



They have been selling online for quite a few years.



also:




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PostMay 01, 2008#656

dweebe wrote:At least they're trying something to get people down there.
They always have been trying something. The problem is they don't seem to have a clue as to what makes Union Station attractive, the target market they should be trying to reach, or how to stage events that actually get people inside the mall.



Everything seems to be geared to the rural and exurban demographic. Granted there are a significant number of people of that sort that come into town for Cardinals games, but with high gas and ticket prices, plus Hwy. 64 construction, that is not exactly a growing or reliable target market for the time being.



Even assuming that is a large demographic, this NHRA thing makes no sense to me. I know it was an afternoon game, but what time did the Cards game start yesterday? Didn't the NHRA thing overlap with the game? So, if they are targeting Cards fans, it is very unlikely that anyone would linger around Union Station after game time. Why didn't they hold it after the Cards game??? On top of all that, they held it on a weekday when school is still in session. And if they weren't targeting Cards fans, then who the hell did they think was going to show up for this event?



The NHRA event only makes sense if their primary goal was to lure as many Cardinals fans as possible to park at Union Station, attend the event, and then walk or take MetroLink to Busch, rather than trying to get people to actually shop there. In fact, I think I understand their thought process now. The Union Station owners have basically written off the retail portion of the property at this point, and now see parking revenue as the only way to pay the bills and possibly earn some small return without actually investing a significant amount of money into the property - which they have no intention of doing. So, all future events and marketing efforts are going to be geared towards maximizing parking revenue until they can dump the property.

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PostMay 01, 2008#657

matguy70 wrote:Ciaccollata is opening a location at Union Station.



off their website:

"We are having a secret pre-move in store private sale

We will be moving soon to a new location in downtown Saint Louis

But before we move we want to show our appreciation"



http://www.iluvchocolate.com/



They have been selling online for quite a few years.


I thunk there was already a chocolate shop in US? I seem to recall an article in the Post about it, maybe 3 months ago.

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PostMay 01, 2008#658

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
matguy70 wrote:Ciaccollata is opening a location at Union Station.



off their website:

"We are having a secret pre-move in store private sale

We will be moving soon to a new location in downtown Saint Louis

But before we move we want to show our appreciation"



http://www.iluvchocolate.com/



They have been selling online for quite a few years.


I thunk there was already a chocolate shop in US? I seem to recall an article in the Post about it, maybe 3 months ago.


Actually, you got it wrong. They are having a pre-move OUT of Union Station sale and are moving to the dowtown Old Post Office area.

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PostMay 01, 2008#659

lamiaposta wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
matguy70 wrote:Ciaccollata is opening a location at Union Station.



off their website:

"We are having a secret pre-move in store private sale

We will be moving soon to a new location in downtown Saint Louis

But before we move we want to show our appreciation"



http://www.iluvchocolate.com/



They have been selling online for quite a few years.


I thunk there was already a chocolate shop in US? I seem to recall an article in the Post about it, maybe 3 months ago.


Actually, you got it wrong. They are having a pre-move OUT of Union Station sale and are moving to the dowtown Old Post Office area.


Cool. So this is the place I read about. The article really made me want to visit, but I just haven't had time to walk over there.

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PostMay 02, 2008#660

Anything associated with Sex in the City makes me run the other way.

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PostMay 02, 2008#661

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
lamiaposta wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:

I thunk there was already a chocolate shop in US? I seem to recall an article in the Post about it, maybe 3 months ago.


Actually, you got it wrong. They are having a pre-move OUT of Union Station sale and are moving to the dowtown Old Post Office area.


Cool. So this is the place I read about. The article really made me want to visit, but I just haven't had time to walk over there.


So, Cioccolato put up a sign that read.



"Pre-Move Sale in Progress"



and was informed that Union Station Management has the right to approve all merchant signage and must immediately remove any sign that mentions they are moving from their windows or their approved sign stand.



I guess you can close or move your store, but according to the rules at Union Station, you can not tell anyone until after the store leaves.



Must have something to do with protecting the Union Station image.

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PostMay 02, 2008#662

Well, it will be nice to have them near the OPO.

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PostMay 02, 2008#663

Does anyone know where in the OPO district they are moving?

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PostMay 02, 2008#664

That's interesting.



I copied it right from the U.S. email list.

hmmm...



too bad.

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PostMay 05, 2008#665

lamiaposta wrote:Must have something to do with protecting the Union Station image.
What image is left to protect?

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PostMay 06, 2008#666

ben1040 wrote:
lamiaposta wrote:Must have something to do with protecting the Union Station image.
What image is left to protect?


Even a bad image is still an image. I think what they were trying to do by suppressing the moving out sign is make sure the public did not see that another store is moving out.

PostMay 06, 2008#667

Ocean Hospitality is opening a sales office in one of the vacant retail spaces at Union Station. They manage Hotel properties, like Ramada Inn. None of their properties are in St. Louis unless the Hyatt is in the process of switching hands. Here's their website, but there is nothing about the St. Louis location.

http://www.oceanhospitalities.com/. I was told 6 months ago that the management at Union Station was looking at turning much of Union Station into offices, but did not want the retailers to know this, especially on the second floor.

PostMay 06, 2008#668

Property Description of Union Station On Jones Lange & LaSalles website, please note the inaccuracies that I have highlighted

Property Type: Retail Total Space Available: -

Secondary Type: - Max Contig Space: 10,000 SF

Building Size: 659,475 SF Annual Rent: Negotiable

Land Area: 500,940 SF % Leased: 97.0%

Lot Dimensions: - Stories: 2

Elevators: - Ceiling Height: -

Year Built/Renov: 1894 / 1985 Typical Floor Size: 411,187 SF

Parking: 1590 Surface Spaces are available

Amenities: Food Court, Adaptive Reuse, Center Mixed Use, Center Enclosed

P r o p e r t y H i g h l i g h t s



When it opened its doors in 1894, St. Louis Union Station boasted the largest and busiest passenger rail terminal in the world servicing more than 100,000 rail passengers a day. In its prime Union Station was also known for its eatery that revolutionized rail dining as well as introduced the renowned "Harvey Girls" waitresses who delighted patrons with their Midwestern hospitality. The same girls were the subjects for MGM's memorable 1946 movie, The Harvey Girls starring Judy Garland. However operations as an active train terminal ceased in 1978. Not until 1985 and after nearly $150 million in restorations, did Union Station reopen its doors as a center for retail, dining and entertainment. The architecture of St. Louis Union Station is an eclectic mix of Romanesque styles. The Station's interior and exterior details are a combination of both Richardsonian Romanesque tradition and French Romanesque or Norman style. Equally impressive to Union Station's grandiose architecture is the 539 room Hyatt Regency Hotel. The hotel completed a $7 million renovation on the guestrooms and is recipient of the AAA Four Diamond Award. St. Louis Union station also features luxury offices, a lake, four active train tracks, over 90 retail shops and restaurants, and a plaza for festivals, concerts and other special events. • A National Historic Landmark of unsurpassed beauty and elegance. Once the largest and busiest passenger rail terminal in the world. Today, Union Station is consistently ranked as one of the top three attractions in St. Louis along with shopping and the Gateway Arch • Anchored by the recently renovated AAA “Four Diamond” 539-room Hyatt Regency Hotel, which boasts the highest RevPar index of all hotels in downtown St. Louis as well as one of the top five in the Hyatt chain • The Station enjoys annual traffic of nearly 7 million persons per year • 16.7 million visitors and tourists spending $3.8 billion make their way to the city of St. Louis annually • More than 90,000 people are employed in the 2.91 square miles that comprise downtown St. Louis • More than 2.7 million people live in the St. Louis MO-IL MSA making it the 18th largest metropolitan area in the United States • Investments in downtown St. Louis in the past five years total over $2.6 billion and includes 912 lofts to date with 660 additional lofts and condos planned this year • Union Station shares its downtown location with the 70,000 capacity Edward Jones Dome, 57,000 capacity Busch Stadium and 20,000 capacity Savvis Center • St. Louis Union Station is being positioned for a major redevelopment - Hyatt Regency Hotel is 472,328 sf




PostMay 11, 2008#669

'Here today, gone tomorrow' or 'Now you see it and now you don't'. It's is like magic at St Louis Union Station. Saturday Urban Elements, a hip hop clothing store, was open and Sunday they were gone. Cleared out, sneaked out, in the middle of the night.

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PostMay 11, 2008#670

lamiaposta wrote:'Here today, gone tomorrow' or 'Now you see it and now you don't'. It's is like magic at St Louis Union Station. Saturday Urban Elements, a hip hop clothing store, was open and Sunday they were gone. Cleared out, sneaked out, in the middle of the night.


That's funny. Didn't the same thing happen with the suit store?



BTW: What's happening over in the old Talbot's spot? It looks like some work is going on.

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PostMay 11, 2008#671

dweebe wrote:
lamiaposta wrote:'Here today, gone tomorrow' or 'Now you see it and now you don't'. It's is like magic at St Louis Union Station. Saturday Urban Elements, a hip hop clothing store, was open and Sunday they were gone. Cleared out, sneaked out, in the middle of the night.


That's funny. Didn't the same thing happen with the suit store?



BTW: What's happening over in the old Talbot's spot? It looks like some work is going on.


Your dead on, several merchants in the last couple of years have left under the cloak of darkness including the suit place, Janet's Dreams and others.



As for the old Talbots spot that is going to be an office for Ocean Hospitality. Here is my earlier comment on that.

"Ocean Hospitality is opening a sales office in one of the vacant retail spaces at Union Station. They manage Hotel properties, like Ramada Inn. None of their properties are in St. Louis unless the Hyatt is in the process of switching hands. Here's their website, but there is nothing about the St. Louis location.

http://www.oceanhospitalities.com/. I was told 6 months ago that the management at Union Station was looking at turning much of Union Station into offices, but did not want the retailers to know this, especially on the second floor."



Which brings up a comment on the Hyatt. The other day a source told me that the Hyatt lease expires at the end of 2008 and has not been renewed yet. Many years ago, there was an attempt by the Hyatt owners to buy the Adams Mark but policy forbid two Hyatts that close to each other. I wonder if that is still the policy?

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PostMay 12, 2008#672

I have heard that the Marriott name is trying to get back into downtown STL... maybe it will be the Hyatt at Union Station. This will completely depend on the owners of the Hyatt Union Station and what restrictions Hyatt has on proximity.



Also...



went to Union Station on Friday - the place was packed with school groups, business people and tourists. I mean packed - the food court had lines at every place.



another event:




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PostMay 12, 2008#673

^Cool. One of my favorite local bands.

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PostMay 12, 2008#674

I worked at several retailers in Union Station during the mid to late 80's. It was the same story back then as well, one of the original retailers on the first floor was a gelato place. They wanted to walk away from their lease but knew their freezers and display cases would be confiscated so they told the Station management that they planned on installing upgraded "Euro Style" fixtures. One evening a crew came in under the guise of the remodel. When everyone came in the next morning the store had vanished.

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PostMay 24, 2008#675

It looks like Hardrock Cafe is renewing their lease and going to be doing some remodeling at US. This kind of surprised me, but I am glad to hear it as this is good news for US.



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument


Percich did say the Hard Rock Café just renewed its lease at Union Station and will be doing an extensive remodeling of the interior.

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