Yeah, now that Harry Keough has passed on, they may think they have a shot at actually beating a gaggle of Yanks.
When Manchester United came to KC last summer, they played at Arrowhead (grid iron football stadium), even after the new "soccer specific" stadium was built. Basically, when you get a big enough event... you can host it in a larger venue such as a 60,000-80,000 seat stadium (Arrowhead or the ED).
The ED will host one less home game... I don't see why, on the same weekend the Rams play in ye old country, an English team (association football) can't fill in the empty date downtown with an annual (exhibition game).
The ED will host one less home game... I don't see why, on the same weekend the Rams play in ye old country, an English team (association football) can't fill in the empty date downtown with an annual (exhibition game).
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Because they'll be in the midst of their season. Not to mention FA Cup and/or Carling Cup tournaments. And in the case of the big clubs that people here would most want to see, there's Champions League or UEFA Cup play. I can't imagine any manager agreeing to an exhibition game under those conditions.tbspqr wrote:The ED will host one less home game... I don't see why, on the same weekend the Rams play in ye old country, an English team (association football) can't fill in the empty date downtown with an annual (exhibition game).
So....no.
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Man U, Real Madrid, Barca and AC Milan (amongst others) have all played in the US in recent years. I think they should, at the very least, make promotional stops in cities they are not playing in. Arsenal could do a kids clinic, autograph meet and greet or maybe even play a game in a smaller venue here in STL during a summer tour. Then move on the Arrowhead or Soldier Field. Stan has the money to make anything happen, if he cares to do so. I question whether or not he actually cares (just a little bit) about
St. Louis. Doubt it! IF STL was Chicago, he would see a great financial benefit in bringing Arsenal to STL. That would be the motiviation. Based upon his posturing, from what I can see, he cares only about the mighty dollar. I doubt promotional stops would make him much cash. A exhibition game in a large venue would.
St. Louis. Doubt it! IF STL was Chicago, he would see a great financial benefit in bringing Arsenal to STL. That would be the motiviation. Based upon his posturing, from what I can see, he cares only about the mighty dollar. I doubt promotional stops would make him much cash. A exhibition game in a large venue would.
My hometown club, Ajax Amsterdam, has won the European Cup (Champions League) four times (like Bayern Munich and Barcelona), one win ahead of Manchester United.
The English Premier League is grossly overvalued by American "soccer" fans. As anyone in Europe knows, British football is really not that great. Actually it mostly sucks. They're perennial under-achievers at big tournaments like the European- and World cup and despite having a large fan base and big budgets they're often the laughing stock of Europe.
Americans need to get over this childish adoration of their former colonizers.
The English Premier League is grossly overvalued by American "soccer" fans. As anyone in Europe knows, British football is really not that great. Actually it mostly sucks. They're perennial under-achievers at big tournaments like the European- and World cup and despite having a large fan base and big budgets they're often the laughing stock of Europe.
Americans need to get over this childish adoration of their former colonizers.
I hold no "childish adoration" of the UK or its football, nor do I overvalue the Premier League.
Stan owns the Rams, who are going to play "over there". Another one of his teams, Arsenal, is based "over there" and could easily come "over here" to play a match. There are several other teams I'd rather see than Arsenal... but they are the only one over there that is linked, even remotely, to the Rams or St. Louis.
Stan owns the Rams, who are going to play "over there". Another one of his teams, Arsenal, is based "over there" and could easily come "over here" to play a match. There are several other teams I'd rather see than Arsenal... but they are the only one over there that is linked, even remotely, to the Rams or St. Louis.
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Sounds like someone's country can't get over the sale of New Amsterdam!the count wrote:
Americans need to get over this childish adoration of their former colonizers.
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I'd like to see Arsenal or an EPL team because I like the type of soccer they play in the EPL. There seems to be more action, scoring and superstars. I know the other leagues are loaded with talent and good soccer, but I enjoy the atmosphere of the EPL, the brand of soccer they play and the players, more than leagues like La Liga,Serie A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 or Eredivisie. I guess I'd have to attend matches in the other countires to know for sure. I've been to EPL and Serie A matches and they were both awesome, but I liked the EPL better. That is why I'd love to see Arsenal come here. I think it is a pipe dream, as long as we do not have a nice venue and an MLS team. The Ed as it sits today, is not going to work as a soccer venue, at least a quality venue.
^ Those damn British. You would all have spoken Dutch, godverdomme!ricke002 wrote:Sounds like someone's country can't get over the sale of New Amsterdam!the count wrote:
Americans need to get over this childish adoration of their former colonizers.
Anyway, I was trying to rock the boat a little bit. EPL atmosphere is definitely great, as long as there are no hooligans involved. However, the English themselves recognize that they have under-achieved on the European fields. As Gary Lineker once famously said: "Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans win."
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this is a Rams thread, when I click this thread I expect to find negotiation updates. Another thread might be more appropriate for discussing soccer rumors. Thanks guys.
I agree, but instead I find someone whining about a few posts about soccer.arch_genesis wrote:this is a Rams thread, when I click this thread I expect to find negotiation updates.
Maybe you could have posted some negotiation updates, instead?
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Let's take it easy - the forum is pretty free-wheeling. Updates/conversation/debate/tangents - all part of the fun. I'd absolutely love being able to label/tag forum posts as "news" or "update" and then "conversation" or whatever, but we don't have a way to do that.
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^^ I counted 13 consecutive posts in less than 48 hours. That's more than a few. I'd say its a fair request to ask you guys to make another thread. Wasn't whining, Mate.
If I'm not mistaken there is a thread about the ongoing effort to expand the MLS to St. Louis, it's probably not a bad idea to talk about it there.arch_genesis wrote:^^ I counted 13 consecutive posts in less than 48 hours. That's more than a few. I'd say its a fair request to ask you guys to make another thread. Wasn't whining, Mate.
To bring this thread back on topic.....
Bernie Miklasz is calling for David Farr (CEO of Emerson Electric), Ward Klein (CEO of Energizer), or Andrew Taylor (Enterprise Rent-A-Car) to "broker peace" between Rams and the CVC.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ ... z1m5NQkb2Y
While he's the town's leading sports columnist, I can't imagine Bernie has any inside info here. He's just looking at the town's biggest public companies and asking for the CEO to help negotiate the deal. fat chance.
Bernie Miklasz is calling for David Farr (CEO of Emerson Electric), Ward Klein (CEO of Energizer), or Andrew Taylor (Enterprise Rent-A-Car) to "broker peace" between Rams and the CVC.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ ... z1m5NQkb2Y
While he's the town's leading sports columnist, I can't imagine Bernie has any inside info here. He's just looking at the town's biggest public companies and asking for the CEO to help negotiate the deal. fat chance.
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Yeah sounds like Bernie is just killing time by speculating. I don't think we'll know anything until March 1st.
The Vikings quest for a new stadium is something else to keep an eye, I can't figure out what they want to do. The owner wants a stadium in Arden Hills, the Governor wants the stadium where the metrodome is now, and the owner just rejected a proposal for a new stadium in Ramsey County.
The Vikings don't have a lease and don't have any new stadium in place. The deadline for relocation is February 15th, but even if they wanted to they wouldn't be able to put together the votes in time to relocate.
Its looking like the lame ducks might be the Chargers Raiders and Vikings.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ ... z1m6VlALS6Goodell would like to see the Rams and St. Louis find a solution to the Edward Jones Dome lease. But suppose the commissioner or one of his associates wants to get involved behind the scenes, to help facilitate a deal?
Yeah sounds like Bernie is just killing time by speculating. I don't think we'll know anything until March 1st.
The Vikings quest for a new stadium is something else to keep an eye, I can't figure out what they want to do. The owner wants a stadium in Arden Hills, the Governor wants the stadium where the metrodome is now, and the owner just rejected a proposal for a new stadium in Ramsey County.
The Vikings don't have a lease and don't have any new stadium in place. The deadline for relocation is February 15th, but even if they wanted to they wouldn't be able to put together the votes in time to relocate.
Its looking like the lame ducks might be the Chargers Raiders and Vikings.
We better hope more than anything that things sour further for the Vikings; from what I understand the NFL wants two teams in L.A., so if an AFC team relocates, the Rams will still be in play.
I think its getting more entertaining by the day up North. Read that one of their state reps put Duluth, MN in the ring as a possible site. Of course it was meaningless but the guy made his point, if we are going to through state dollars at it why does it have to be in the Twin Cities as Packers do perfectly fine in a town like Greenbay.arch_genesis wrote:^Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ ... z1m6VlALS6Goodell would like to see the Rams and St. Louis find a solution to the Edward Jones Dome lease. But suppose the commissioner or one of his associates wants to get involved behind the scenes, to help facilitate a deal?
Yeah sounds like Bernie is just killing time by speculating. I don't think we'll know anything until March 1st.
The Vikings quest for a new stadium is something else to keep an eye, I can't figure out what they want to do. The owner wants a stadium in Arden Hills, the Governor wants the stadium where the metrodome is now, and the owner just rejected a proposal for a new stadium in Ramsey County.
The Vikings don't have a lease and don't have any new stadium in place. The deadline for relocation is February 15th, but even if they wanted to they wouldn't be able to put together the votes in time to relocate.
Its looking like the lame ducks might be the Chargers Raiders and Vikings.
The Vikings owner has also got himself in a pickle, I think he has publically stated more then once that he will not play again in the metrodome once the lease is up. But you can alway wipe the egg off your face and wouldn't be surprise if he doesn't try to cut a deal with University of Minnesota/Big Ten to play in their new stadium that got some state funding to get his point across - not sure if political plausibe or U&M would put itself in that position as a pawn between two warring factors.
I don't think Stan K would put himself in a position that the Vikings are in nor do I think their is even the appetitie to entertain a new stadium in St. Louis or Missouri for that matter.
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And we should remember that for all that we don't love about the EJ Dome, it's a relatively new stadium. I liken it to the White Sox stadium - unfortunately the last of an era of a particular type of stadium that is now out of favor.
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Let's face it, this story is in park until the Rams counter and the CVC knows where they are coming from. We are not really going to know anything until June or July. At that time, we will know if the Rams intend to move or if Stan was posturing (according to Dan Dierdorf).
Exactly, so killing some time discussing the EPL, Stan and him not bringing his product here, is a great way to kill time during this 'downtime'. Maybe we got slightly off track, but this forum is supposed to be fun, right?I don't think we'll know anything until March 1st.
Let's face it, this story is in park until the Rams counter and the CVC knows where they are coming from. We are not really going to know anything until June or July. At that time, we will know if the Rams intend to move or if Stan was posturing (according to Dan Dierdorf).
In my case, most of the posts go back to Stan not bringing his product to the U.S. while taking ours to London. Please lighten up. When there is "some meat on the burner" (RIP Ron Caron), I am 100% sure, this thread will pick up right where it left off. Right now, the story is in park.I'd say its a fair request to ask you guys to make another thread.
http://jacksonville.com/sports/football ... -president
I think this story is of note. Even though there is ZERO indication that the Rams or the Jags are moving, if the Rams do move, you have a St. Louis guy running the Jags and a Midwest guy owing the team. This is good news for St. Louis, more so as a
Plan B, if the Rams move. It is not a secret that the Jags are failing in
Jacksonville, a truly small market, with a small population and less
corporate support. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it almost seems as if
everything is playing out perfectly for the NFL. The Rams have perfect timing
to get back to LA in 3 years and outside of the relocation fees, which are
significant, the Jags could fill the void in St. Louis. It will be very
interesting to see how this plays out over the next 3-5 years. I wonder what
the NFL will look like in 20 years.... remains to be seen.
I think this story is of note. Even though there is ZERO indication that the Rams or the Jags are moving, if the Rams do move, you have a St. Louis guy running the Jags and a Midwest guy owing the team. This is good news for St. Louis, more so as a
Plan B, if the Rams move. It is not a secret that the Jags are failing in
Jacksonville, a truly small market, with a small population and less
corporate support. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it almost seems as if
everything is playing out perfectly for the NFL. The Rams have perfect timing
to get back to LA in 3 years and outside of the relocation fees, which are
significant, the Jags could fill the void in St. Louis. It will be very
interesting to see how this plays out over the next 3-5 years. I wonder what
the NFL will look like in 20 years.... remains to be seen.
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That is definitely a possiblity, and certainly an intriguing one. Add this to the fact that they just drafted a Missouri QB that they *think* can be their qb of the future.
My only hope is that if this happens they completely destroy the current unis and change the name.
My only hope is that if this happens they completely destroy the current unis and change the name.
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Agree......teal is not a football color! Maybe they could make the team red, so they don't have to replace those awful (not so Rams blue) seats in the Dome.
How professional football might end (sooner than you think)
Writing for Grantland, economists Tyler Cowen and Kevin Grier imagine how the NFL might end due to the increasing visibility of head injuries.
This slow death march could easily take 10 to 15 years. Imagine the timeline. A couple more college players -- or worse, high schoolers -- commit suicide with autopsies showing CTE. A jury makes a huge award of $20 million to a family. A class-action suit shapes up with real legs, the NFL keeps changing its rules, but it turns out that less than concussion levels of constant head contact still produce CTE. Technological solutions (new helmets, pads) are tried and they fail to solve the problem. Soon high schools decide it isn't worth it. The Ivy League quits football, then California shuts down its participation, busting up the Pac-12. Then the Big Ten calls it quits, followed by the East Coast schools. Now it's mainly a regional sport in the southeast and Texas/Oklahoma. The socioeconomic picture of a football player becomes more homogeneous: poor, weak home life, poorly educated. Ford and Chevy pull their advertising, as does IBM and eventually the beer companies.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/755 ... d-football
Writing for Grantland, economists Tyler Cowen and Kevin Grier imagine how the NFL might end due to the increasing visibility of head injuries.
This slow death march could easily take 10 to 15 years. Imagine the timeline. A couple more college players -- or worse, high schoolers -- commit suicide with autopsies showing CTE. A jury makes a huge award of $20 million to a family. A class-action suit shapes up with real legs, the NFL keeps changing its rules, but it turns out that less than concussion levels of constant head contact still produce CTE. Technological solutions (new helmets, pads) are tried and they fail to solve the problem. Soon high schools decide it isn't worth it. The Ivy League quits football, then California shuts down its participation, busting up the Pac-12. Then the Big Ten calls it quits, followed by the East Coast schools. Now it's mainly a regional sport in the southeast and Texas/Oklahoma. The socioeconomic picture of a football player becomes more homogeneous: poor, weak home life, poorly educated. Ford and Chevy pull their advertising, as does IBM and eventually the beer companies.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/755 ... d-football
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I thought it was interesting (assuming it's true) that Roger Goodell said during a recent interview that the sport with the second greatest number of concussions (after football) is women's soccer. Yes, it's a serious problem, but no, the world (the US, and our schools) are not going to stop playing soccer or other sports - and likely not football. Again, it's serious, but look at the damage that car accidents do each year - the number dead, the number seriously injured, and yet we don't stop driving. Sure, some will say football and other sports are optional. So it driving.