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They haven’t said anything. It is their actions that are speaking loudly at this point. I don’t think I need to go through the long list of actions. (getting out of the lease, buying land in LA, demanding almost a new facility to stay top-tier..etc….etc…). Yes, KD said it could get ugly, but there are negotiations, no threats, no movement, just speculation and actions that lead a lot of people to believe a move is underway behind the scenes. Not to mention, it seems as if the NFL is eager to get a team in the nation’s 2nd biggest market. MAYBE, this is a negotiation process, that is not in the public eye. Who really knows! I don’t. I just see actions that lead me to believe Stan wants to be in LA. Not to mention, locals like Randy Karraker and Bernie have long doubted a move would happen. Now, based upon information from sources, they’ve changed their tune. It turns out that Stan told Bernie back when he took control of the team, that he would not move. As if Stan’s word several years ago matters. Even Bernie said, things change, situations change and so do minds. I think the City/region/State will make him an offer. Will it be enough, that remains to be seen. The silence on both sides is deafening. Usually, the owner is claiming to want to stay or say he will ‘try’ and the other side is doing the same. In this strange case, nobody is speaking on either side, enough to truly tell what is happening behind the scenes. All I know, is that that supposedly good sources are saying word is, this Rams to LA thing is going to happen.
Yes, the Big Red threatening to move was no secret. However, the City and State could not get it together, nor could the group trying to keep the Cardinals here. When the right deal was not offered to Bidwell, he bolted. He won the ‘ I dare you” staring contest and the City was shocked he actually packed up and left. It was ugly, STL rolled the dice and we lost. Bidwell called our bluff. Typical STL politics. That is why I have no confidence in the local government saving the Rams.
Do you have a link to the conspiracy theory. I don’t mind that, but if anything, I’d want the Cardinals logo back, but that isn’t happening, so we might as well keep the Rams. I highly doubt they add ONE team. If anything two will be added. Seems like a pipedream to me, just as Rams to LA, Jags to STL talk is nothing more than that.

PS- Talking about our wonderful local politicians. Jay Nixon was front and center behind homeplate for the Royals game last night, wearing a blue Royals jacket. I know he depends on votes from both sides of the state, but everyone knows he is from STL and a Cards fan. Showing up in neutral clothing would have been enough. Sorry, but what a buffoon!!

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PostOct 06, 2014#2177

It will interesting to see how the mega-BPV-like project in Detroit with the new hockey stadium will turn out...

http://www.mlive.com/business/detroit/i ... ngs_4.html

its basically 45 blocks and looks like it will have lots of 4-5 story mixed-use infill. (Although it looks like a rather modest number of residential units at this point.) They've started with groundbreaking and hope to get it done by summer of 2017. It will be centered in an area where Midtown & Downtown meet, an area with a lot of vacant lots right now so if done as planned it will basically sew up these scars and create a pretty seamless corridor of activity.

Anyway, it makes me think about where a new Rams stadium could have the most impact as part of a larger mixed-use initiative. Seems like Pruit-Igoe would hold some promise for filling up some vacant holes in the Downtown West area as well as for the P-I site itself... along with a new 22nd Street district that could really pump up that part of downtown edge.

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A "village" around a new stadium development is about the only way I'd want to give Kroenke any money. And even then, we need to be SURE the thing gets built. Don't give the money until they break ground.

I'm not one that holds a huge grudge against the Cards for BPV, but something like that happening after we've committed $300+ million to a new football stadium would be totally unacceptable.

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PostOct 06, 2014#2179

^ I'm pretty much with you. The way I understand the Detroit deal, the Ilitches have been sort of like McKee in recent years and buying up a lot of property in the footprint and now they are pulling the trigger with the help of considerable public TIF. They intend to work on the whole project at the same time which if they do what they say will make it a lot more justifiable imo than making promises for later.

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PostOct 06, 2014#2180

jstriebel wrote:A "village" around a new stadium development is about the only way I'd want to give Kroenke any money. And even then, we need to be SURE the thing gets built. Don't give the money until they break ground.

I'm not one that holds a huge grudge against the Cards for BPV, but something like that happening after we've committed $300+ million to a new football stadium would be totally unacceptable.
I agree completely.

Also- I sincerely hope the Red Wings owner's proposal comes to fruition- it looks like it would be a great thing for Detroit.

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PostOct 07, 2014#2181

Great article, summarizing some of the recent rumblings and the Rams situation:

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2014/10/3/ ... nfl-rumors

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PostOct 07, 2014#2182

I could see some version of this HOK designed futuristic strong light roof covering a football-field-size hole in the top of the EJ Dome.

http://gizmodo.com/a-tour-of-the-futuri ... 1641494500


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PostOct 07, 2014#2183

dweebe wrote:
moorlander wrote:Demoff will be wearing his politician's hat. He won't provide any answers. Just wait.
He'll be dancing like Fred Astaire at his prime.
Heard on the radio this morning that Demoff has gone dark. He hasn't returned any phone messages, emails, or texts.

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PostOct 07, 2014#2184

moorlander wrote:
dweebe wrote:
moorlander wrote:Demoff will be wearing his politician's hat. He won't provide any answers. Just wait.
He'll be dancing like Fred Astaire at his prime.
Heard on the radio this morning that Demoff has gone dark. He hasn't returned any phone messages, emails, or texts.
From around noon Tuesday
Tim McKernan @tmckernan · 4h 4 hours ago
Rams' COO @kdemoff emailed me to say that his goal is to appear on @CBSSports920 on Friday. He'll either join us on @TMASTL or @EMM_920.

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PostOct 08, 2014#2186

Latest rumor is that Dave Peacock is working on putting together a group to buy the Rams from Stan....if Dave isn't successful, Stan will sell his share of the Rams to AEG, which in turn would move them to LA.

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PostOct 08, 2014#2187

^Interesting. I wasn't under any impression that Stan selling the team was even a consideration. When it comes to sports teams he is the buyer not seller.

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PostOct 08, 2014#2188

Time for Dave to call Jack Taylor and Family.... AEG would be bidding from a big whole already- relcation fee and stadium price tag- combined, that's probably $2B+ already

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PostOct 09, 2014#2189

^^^If possible, can you tell us how reliable this rumor is? Seems very far-fetched. Stan seems to want to own a sports empire, not sell it. Who knows though. I would love to have a crystal ball. I have been wondering where Dave Peacock has been in all of this. I would have to have him heading the ownership group. I bet he could get silent investors like August Busch, who is seemingly sitting on his money and partying it away. I would love to see this, but seems very unlikely that Stan would sell. I'd rather have Stan own the St. Louis Rams and build a venue here.

Roger made some comments yesterday, but didn't give us much...

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football ... 797e9.html

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dbInSouthCity wrote:Time for Dave to call Jack Taylor and Family.... AEG would be bidding from a big whole already- relcation fee and stadium price tag- combined, that's probably $2B+ already
Owning a sports team is not the Taylor's style. I don't think they're much for attention and aren't really in to sports. Yes, I know they own a slice of the Blues: but in a minority component and along with a bunch of other people.

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PostOct 09, 2014#2191

http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/vie ... &t=1061857

The Keeps the Rams in STL Facebook guy posts something about every 30 minutes and the above link is one he posted as a "rumor" source yesterday.

Here is part of it as well from the Facebook Page:

......."Rumor - Kroenke looking to sell

I saw this rumor posted on the STL Today Rams board today and had to share. Why? A lot of the details within correspond with things I've heard, and others very logically connect a lot of the other dots. This makes a lot of sense:

http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/vie ... &t=1061857

I got the low down on this situation from an associate at the office of the Chaifetz Group in Chicago. I was skeptical but everything that has happened is fitting just like he said including today's events at the owners meetings with the extension.
here it is:

Stan Kroenke has asked for the extension with the owners for a number reasons. The first one being that he is looking to sell the St. Louis Rams. He does not want to get into a relocation situation nor lengthy negotiations with the city. They have been talking but Stan isn't interested in dealing with it. The NFL has granted the extension as a buyer is vetted. That is why you have heard the name Dave Peacock comes in. He is attempting to put together a group to purchase the team from Kroenke. Behind the scenes it has apparently become a bidding war as AEG is involved with the group Peacock has put together. The sources that are saying the Rams are moving are from AEG. The scenario that is playing out appears to be Kroenke applying for relocation and then AEG purchasing the team and moving them to Farmers Field location. That is where that extension came in 4 weeks ago.

Now, a couple of things. The NFL is rumored to NOT necessarily be on board with this situation BUT the reason that Bernie, Randy, Burwell, and others are saying that local leaders need to step up is because Peacock is looking for people to join his group. So far it's only going OK but AEG has the resources in place to buy now and the Peacock group is lagging somehwat. This part is unsubstantiated but AEG is offering 1 Billion for 80%. Kroenke is willing to do it now but the Dave Peacock group has asked for, and been given, more time to get the group together.

If you remember a few weeks back local media said there was an 'uptick' with news. It was the fact that Peacock has put together a group and was looking good.

Say what you want that I am a 'fraud' and a 'liar' but the reason I know this is the fact that Dave Peacock has personally asked Richard Chaifetz to join the effort to purchase the Rams. This is all true, every word of it. I wouldn't waste my time doing this if it were not."

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PostOct 09, 2014#2192

Maybe the cross-ownership issue is a bigger deal than we realize. Maybe Kroenke doesn't want to give up his Denver teams. I'm sure it makes him a lot of money. Anyone know if his Arsenal ownership affects his NFL interests?

If he is being asked to give up ownership of all those teams, I doubt he would want to own an NFL team.

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PostOct 09, 2014#2193

The problem is that the Taylor family, the big elephant in the room, has no interest in owning sports teams. So now Peacock has to go to the Fox's, the Novelly's, the Mr. Chaifetz' of the world.....tough road to hoe...I wish him luck.

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PostOct 09, 2014#2194

^ Taylor's are part of the Blues ownership group-

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AEG CANNOT buy the Rams....NFL doesn't allow groups like that to buy the team....if AEG had one of its other business fail or go bankrupt, the bank could come after the NFL team...the NFL does not want those types of issues...philip anschutz would have to buy the team...and up to a year ago he wanted to get rid of AEG...

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PostOct 09, 2014#2196

dbInSouthCity wrote:^ Taylor's are part of the Blues ownership group-

minimal....

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PostOct 09, 2014#2197

pat wrote:Maybe the cross-ownership issue is a bigger deal than we realize. Maybe Kroenke doesn't want to give up his Denver teams. I'm sure it makes him a lot of money. Anyone know if his Arsenal ownership affects his NFL interests?

If he is being asked to give up ownership of all those teams, I doubt he would want to own an NFL team.
Arsenal isnt an issue until the NFL puts a team in London.

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dbInSouthCity wrote:^ Taylor's are part of the Blues ownership group-

minimal....
but they are in the sports ownership business....in this scenario i see this as an investment for them...Dave would be the face and they would collect checks.

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PostOct 09, 2014#2199

That is one h-ll of a story. If that is true, I trust Dave and his abilities. If there was ONE person, I'd probably choose him. He is a mover and a shaker, has big connections. Maybe this substantiates the STL Biz Journal article mentioning him as taking the lead on keeping the Rams here.

I guess Stan ousting Shad's bid had to do with him buying the team and selling, ASSUMING this is true. Let's hope Stan gives the STL group every chance to win the franchise, before selling to AEG.

AGAIN, why not tap into the Busch family's wealth. Dave and the 4th are tight or at least used to be at AB. Maybe if the 4th and 3rd made up, they could become NFL owners. They have the dough. I'd even bring in Rush if we had to. Controversy and all, he has money. Whatever it takes, to keep the Rams in STL!

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/prin ... l?page=all

^Dave is one impressive individual!

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PostOct 09, 2014#2200

dbInSouthCity wrote:
sirshankalot wrote:
dbInSouthCity wrote:^ Taylor's are part of the Blues ownership group-

minimal....
but they are in the sports ownership business....in this scenario i see this as an investment for them...Dave would be the face and they would collect checks.
Owning a small slice of a NHL team and all of a NFL team are two totally different beasts.

I want to say the Blues ownership is 50-something percent with Stillman and the other 40 something percent is spread among almost 20 investors: with Andy Taylor one of that group.

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